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| Lots of new toys this year!! I would have to say the cowgirl was the best bait of the year last year and probably the years before that. Do you think there is going to be a bait this year that beats the cowgirl. What bait do you think is going to be the hottest on the water this year? Me personally, think the cowgirl is going to take the gold again. |
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Location: Musky Country | I agree (The Cowgirl) |
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| after 40 years musky hunting. there is no perfect bait.  |
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Location: Musky Country | woodieb8 - 4/5/2009 6:05 PM
after 40 years musky hunting. there is no perfect bait. :-(
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| Mike,
That is a good bait. I have a few of the early water goat prototypes. I can't recall the type of wood that they are made out of that gives them a near perfect neutral bouyancy. I know it's something that comes out of Malaysia but what it is used for is anyone's guess. The great part about it is that the dude making them has absolutely no interest in marketing the things since it is a true hobby. If you've got one you are one of at most half a dozen people who will ever get them.
Same guy has another bait called a curake that takes some getting used to but just put a ridiculous number of fish in my boat last summer. |
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Location: Wauwatosa, Wisconsin | the jimmy from musky innovations!!!!!!!! |
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Location: Land of the Musky | I just heard of a bait called the "Suick"  |
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Location: Minnesota | I am super pumped to pick up a 12" Suick Magnum or two. |
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Location: Irvine, KY | whatever we throw the most of |
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | I think head to head a Glittertail might overtake the cowgirl in the bucktail word. As far as overall when most are throwing DBL 10's of course they are bound to get the most fish. I know guys that throw nothing but DBL 10's. |
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Location: So. Illinois | Whatever your confidence bait is..... |
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Location: Oregon | The perfect bait is a hard swimbait but thus far the majority of musky fisherman have not gained confidence in using them. There is nothing that even comes close to the realism that a good swimbait can provide. You can swim a swimbait deep, shallow, fast, slow, twitch it, stop and go, at the surface and even walk the dog. And perhaps best of all, they look exactly like a naturally swimming baitfish.
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| Im guessing the thing that is going to get eaten the most in any lake is probably going to be perch. so, with that said, put some perch on your lines!  |
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Location: midwest | Spinnerbait....most versatile bait made. |
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| I also had an oppertunity to use both the water goat and the curake and i would have to say if the guy would market them he would be a millionaire they are simply amazining!!!! |
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | I had 2 custom Huntertail bucktails made. These are a double tail bait, on the order of the double Eagletails that George used to make, but with the addition of a #15 blade. Yes, I said a #15 blade. I believe that the Cowgirl comes with a #13 blade as the largest. During the Expo I pickedup the cowgirl and compared blades. The cowgirls was smaller.
I bought the blades from Stamina Tackle a year ago and had Matt Nelson of Huntertail tie me a lure to put them on.
There is also a magnum willowblade on the market now. You can get those from lakeshake'r.com according to the sticker on the blade. He also had the #15 blades at the Mn. Expo. http://www.customspinnersunlimited.com/
or http://lurepartsonline.com/cart.php for stamina tackle to find the big blades
Looks like the blade size wars is getting hot.
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | Correction, I just searched the stamina website and I do not see the magnum blades that I mentioned above. The largest they carry is a #12. Sorry about that.
I did look at the customspinners link I provided and they do have the blades listed in their catalog. Made a slight error there too. It's a #16 blade and not a 15 like I said. oops. It's late and I'm going to bed before I make any more mistakes.
I do not have any connection to this company.
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| I dont know if its the best bait, but I'll probably put at least 10 in the boat on Big Joes again this year. My first of last year was on a Small Joe in 2 fow, a friend got 1 on the last weekend of our season out deep.
I doubled a few times last year on them and tripled once as well. VERY PRESSURED WATER HERE! Has become a confidence bait, and definitely comes out if they are not moving.
I also plan on catching many fish on a Lee Lures chopper again. I had soooooo many fish attack that thing last fall, including one really fat one that pooed all over my boat! Many multiple fish nights on those too. |
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| Are you talking about the Swimmin Joe by Joe Bucher? |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I think Jason is talking about the Joes made my Live Action Lures, but I could be wrong. http://www.muskyshop.com/modules/cart/products.php/nav_id/10/page/1... |
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Location: Oregon | Guest - 4/8/2009 12:21 AM
I also had an oppertunity to use both the water goat and the curake and i would have to say if the guy would market them he would be a millionaire they are simply amazining!!!!
Who makes it?
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| Jed, realism?
The hot lure was made out of mylar strands and a couple of big spinner blades.
They don't know crap about realism.
I've given up on realism.
I love swimbaits for bass. They cover a long distance to chase them down and eat them, but I don't think that muskies are impressed with realism.
I like the looks of your lures, and I will try some realistic stuff on them in some gin-clear waters after turnover this year.
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Location: Oregon | If realism wasn't important, then muskie fisherman wouldn't fish with live suckers. It is hard to beat a lure that looks and acts just like a prey item.
Give it time, you will see some very realistic hard swimbaits that kill musky.
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Location: Antioch, IL | BANJO MINNOW! The TV said it's no gimmick. $40 worth for only $19.95. ACT NOW! |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Shallow to deep it is tough to beat a Bulldawg as the ultimate bait.
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| Jed, I was just joshing ya!
I think that there is a huge market for natural lures, and once the muskies get tired of every outlandishly weird thing that we can throw at them, they will become more suseptible to lures with natural actions and natural looks that give off natural vibes. |
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Location: lake x...where the hell is it? | i dont think there is an "ultimate bait" given that dcg and dawgs have got alot of fish the past few seasons. i think bucktails are close to the ultimate bait but we really have not seen to many real swinbaits for muskys yet. i think they may beat everything else. where has the musky bait makers been on this one, bass guys have been getting huge bass on swin baits for years now. we must have been blined by the flashabou. castaic has been making awesome baits for years now, this year they have the swimmin cisco and the ones i want the ROCK HARD swinbaits. ultimate bait...no such thing!!! great baits... lots of them!!!
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| That looks like a good lure! |
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| Just not a lot of hooks!! That might loose your next 50"skie |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | That model is a Bass sized swim bait. The new Swimmin Cisco is Muskie intended. |
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| Which is that? What company? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Castaic. |
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Location: Oregon | I think most of the bass hard plastic swimbaits on the market will fail to hold up to musky.........they may hold on for a few fish but after that something is going to give. Alot of the bass swimbaits have attachable fins that easily fall off or become damaged and joints that aren't made for a fish that is 50 inches long. The downside of swimbaits is they are expensive to build because of all the parts but geez do they ever look real and are incredibly versatile. There are a few good hard swimbaits being made that are musky tough and with time we will probably see alot more of them.
Jed
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Location: mpls | I'll jump on this too
One of the reasons that the Dawg and DCG have been so successful is that they are two of the most quiet lures out there! Before you jump on me and say, DCGs are noisy!!", Hydrophones don't lie. The DCG is very quite, more than a single bladed bucktail about half the size. If Brad from Mayhem is on this site- he might chime in?
The fish are more and more pressured every year, subtle is the way to go! As for hard swimbaits- I have a friend in Japan that works as a lure developer for a high end tackle company. He sent me a couple of custom sized all hard swimbaits in 2003. Long before the craze. I fished the heck out of those lures for 2 seasons, and caught one fish!! They wanted to follow, but not eat. It made no sense as to why they would not eat them, until the hydrophone came out. They were the loudest, most non natural sounding lure you could imagine! The joints clacking together was crazy! The bass guys have been tuned to this for a while now. I have made a couple of custom swimbaits that have rubber "bumpers" at the joints to decrease the noise for a client in California. He does well on them .
It would seem counterproductive for me to bad talk a bait that I do make occassionally and sell for a premium. It is just my observations. Someone must be catching fish on them,because people still want them. I do think that twitching them may be the ticket. I have caught 4 Muskies on swimbaits since those first two lures . All came on twitching the bait and letting it hang.
As for Musky lure makers being behind the times making Muskie sized swimbaits- You have to open your eyes:
Nates baits- Nate has been making them for a longtime and probably has more experience fishing them for Muskies than most- his baits are awesome!
Jed Bikini Baits- Jed you can chime in here. Jed had a plastic sucker swimbait out a couple of years ago. Sounds like maybe something else on the horizion?
MuskieSnax- Makes all sorts of hard swimbaits.
Jeep(can't remember the name of the company-sorry)- Makes all resin swimbaits that look really cool!
Also now that Castiac is a Minnesota company- you can bet there will be more lures in the future appeal to muskie anglers.
I am sure that there are more.
Here is one that I have sold through my site a while back:
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| If quiet is so important, what do Topraiders catch fish year after year after year? And if the fish get more pressured year after year, why are we seeing the same fish caught again and again?
As far as the ultimate bait? There are several components to this in my opinion:
1. Provides an appropriate visual stimulus to trigger a feeding response. This is made up of two parts:
A. Profile -- looks like a meal
B. Action -- behaves like a meal
2. Stimulates the lateral line in a way that triggers a feeding response.
3. Is designed to do both of these at a depth where muskies are at any given time.
There is no one perfect lure. All of the effective lures do one or more of these things effectively, but no one lure ever does them all at the same time in every situation. Even live bait doesn't ALWAYS work.
I think we also have to realize that in nature, sometimes prey escapes. Sometimes muskies miss, or the prey is successful at evading them. So even if we were to create THE ultimate bait? It wouldn't be 100% effective.
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Location: mpls | There is a time and a place for everything. Just ,like everyone else on this board- I have my opinion.
I just don't share it as often as others
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Location: lake x...where the hell is it? | i understand what you guys are saying about them holding up to a musky and the hooks also. i thought about that to, some of these baits are made to catch 20lb+ bass so i think most will hold up. i would like to see bigger hooks on them. but since i fish at a place where i have seen many small(6"-10") bass inhaled by 35" musky the hooks on the front are perfect. now that i think about it the ultimate bait would look like a bluegill and swin in circles real fast when bring it in, just like a real one when you catch it. on days when we cant even get a ski to look at anything we catch a gill and as soon as it starts to fight and swin in circles it gets inhaled, we get broken off that way and so do all the gill fishermen many times every year at wingra. i think a stright retreave my work sometime but i agree with what uptown said about twitching them, i think that will make them crazy for it. |
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Location: Oregon | Your comments concerning noise I hadn't thought about before Joe and I think it makes alot of sense. I guess I could argue either for or against lure noise though............I understand that most natural prey items are for the most part silent but at the same time think how many lures out there make a ton of noise and still work great. Even something relatively subtle like a Weagle makes a whoosh, whoosh, whoosh sound that I have never heard a live baitfish make more than maybe once at the surface and we all know how successful this lure is. We use Kwikfish here alot for chinook and they rattle so lound that you can literally hear them 10' underwater on the retrieve and yet salmon love em! I have listened to hydrophones before and really never paid much attention to them because as you know fish don't really "hear" in the same sense that we do. I have read that fish will learn to "tune out" certain sounds like those of falling water, tumblings rocks, etc. Maybe some lures make a sound that is too far outside what they experience in their natural surroundings and thus get ignored as a prey item.
Jed V.
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Location: mpls | Hi Jed!
I didn't mean to say that the fish won't eat anything that is not subtle. There are lots of times when you may want something that is "loud". My intention was just to point out that people have been "talking" about how subtle and natural swimbaits are, and that is not always the case. You can't argue with the success that other fisherman are having with those baits for other species. I was just pointing out my observations. I also happen to fish some of the most pressured water around with low density populations . So I am very aware that my findings may be different than others. I think that Larry Dahlberg had a great quote," Fishing is like looking through keyholes. " The more you look through, the more you learn". I am more than open to the possibility that I am totally wrong If that's the case, I'll happily be throwing swimbaits.
That said- I still think the Ultimate bait next year will be Nightcrawlers- they move naturally, smell like food(to fish and some 7th grade boys), and you don't need an winch to retrieve them 
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