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| Got a question about red bucktails/spinnerbaits. I was told red line disappears in the water because of the light refractory of red. What about red on lures. Do any of you use red in your baits? I know orange is a staple . . . but it is still not red. How about it . . . my friend builds some great spinnerbaits. I want him to build me a 3.5 oz spinnerbait with red/black silicone and a #10 colorado blade. What do you think? |
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Location: Southern W.Va. | I love to throw red in bucktails, never really tried red on hard baits. No reason why a red silicone skirt won't do the trick.
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Location: Bloomer, Wi | i think (and could be wrong) but it takes decent amount of depth before the red "disappears" water clarity may effect this also wheather it disappears shallower or deeper. Also my most poductive bait last year ws a black/red double 10.
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| I personally think color plays a small part to the whole deal! I believe action and presentation is the key! Thats just my opinion, I'm interested in what others think about this as well!
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| Thanks for the replys guys. I agree that color might not be as important as overall lure selection and presentation, but confidence will also play a factor. Seems like on certain days color seems real important. I guess it is just the mood of the beast. Hell, we all know that when they are ready to eat they are gonna eat no matter what we serve'em up. Those are the fun days!!! Anyone got any off beat colors you like . . . pink, yellow, etc? I fish regularly with a guy that only throws natural colors. |
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| Confidence is HUGE! I like to fish every cast like a fifty incher followed the cast before! I am going to try off beat colors this year as well. I'm going to look at the color selections of the lure and buy the color that I would never have bought last year. Its a fact that the best selling colors sold is not the best fish producers. You know the old saying that lure colors are made to catch fishermen, not fish!
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| red is the first colors to disappear,maybe thats why i never use red |
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| red does not really "dissappear". Rather it takes on a different appearance or changes to a different hue. It would appear more like a dark blue or purple, almost black depending on depth. |
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Location: ne53 | The color red in fishing goes back more than a hundred years. Did any of these lures ever catch fish: Epplinger Dardevle, Mepps, C.C.B.Co, South Bend, and Heddon. They all used red as a staple color in their lures. |
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Location: N.FIB | thats right jpine,red is an old stand by color and was used on alot of lures,who knows what the fish thinks about red,we don`t know until we teach them to talk. |
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Location: Twin Cities | Pretty sure my used-to-be read and white daredevil catches a few fish.... |
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| I have questioned this whole red thing. On one hand the line companies say it disappears. The other hand, lure companies use red all the time. I'm thinking red may stimulate the need to open your wallet???LOL
Here is some info from Cajun line, I thought it was interesting.
"The visible spectrum of light as it enters the water:
Water filters out certain colors more quickly than others. The color RED is the first color to be completely filtered.
This means that once Cajun Red line goes under water, it starts to become less visible in as little as
three feet of water! All fish see is the lure."
Check out the color depth chart they have. It makes me wonder if lure color is more important in relation to the depth your fishing than anything else. Anyone have any comments on this.
http://www.cajunline.com/technology.html
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| Now we're getting some good info/ideas going here. What Muskie4life has posted is what I was told. The light refractory properites of red make it disappear in water. I wonder what this says for orange which we all know is a musky staple. Sounds to me like a trip to my sister's pool is in order. I always put some hook guards on my lures and of course put them in the pool to check out the action. Might be time to get underwater and see what they look like. I guess the only problem with that would be the water clarity. |
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Location: Jackson, MI | Light has to reflect off an object to produce a color. White is the reflection of all visible light wavelengths and black is absorption of all visible light wavelengths. Red has the longest wavelength of the visible spectrum (remember Roy G Biv?). Because of this, red is the first color to change its hue with respect to the depth of water the lure is in since the longest wavelengths are filtered out first. The lure will not "disappear", it will just darken (or blacken) since that particular wavelength of light cannot reach the lure and be reflected. |
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| So, what you are saying, is that a red bucktail at a certain depth will start to look like a black bucktail? Also, if we wanted a lure color to stand out in deeper, darker water we should use colors off the back end of the color chart? I don't know if any of this stuff matters, but it is interesting.
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Location: Jackson, MI | Yep that's what I'm saying. If you go deep enough and all visible light wavelengths are filtered out every color will appear black. I'm not sure if it means anything either, but this is an interesting read...
http://www.bigfishtackle.com/fishing_articles/Freshwater_Fishing_Ar... |
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Location: Irvine, KY | The "Roy G Biv" example makes the most sense to me, red darkens first and blues/ violets darken last in water. I have heard of this before... obviously black stays black throughout the water colum. What I wonder is: when does white darken in relation to the other colors in the spectrum? Seems like white would keep its color longer than a lot of colors if its the reflection of ALL visible light wavelengths.... of course the key word might not be "ALL" but "VISIBLE" wavelengths since the deeper you go the more wavelengths go black. Or maybe white begins to change to other colors sooner as a result of that.
Obviously the deeper you fish the more important action, water displacement, and vibration becomes because everything including the water itself becomes darker and limits the fishes ability to "hunt" your bait with eye sight, and the use of the lateral line becomes even more of a homing device than it is in shallow water.
I think im in over my head now (no pun intended). Comments?
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| I personally think that fish don't so much see the "color" of the lure but more the contrast of ligh/dark in aspect to different forage species on the water. Plus light penetration would change the contrast ratio. Red is the first color to disappear underwater though, and in June/July issue of MHM there was an article written where Mepps did a study of water clarity/color effects how certian lures/colors looked in those water conditions. The photos make you think differntly about how a particular lure pattern would look to a fish in it's environment.
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| It took me a bit to get through that artical, but it breaks it down. I would say from reading that, that my waters that are lucky to have 2 feet vis., colors play very little in the succes of the lure. If you are going to pick a color is black the one?
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Location: Minnesota | The chart shows that these colors get filtered out at very deep depths. So unless you are fishing in 100+ feet of water you may be wasting your time trying to figure out which colors will stand out better based on the wavelength graphs shown in the links. There was an article in MH June/July 2005 by Steve Heiting titled "A Study of Color". It showed pictures of lures as seen with different filtering effects on them as an example to show how different waters make colors on lures look much different. The pictures were cool to look at and very educational. For example the orange bucktail appears orange with a blue filter and the red bucktail appears pretty black. In the green filter - the orange is pretty much orange and the red is pretty much black. In the red filter (simulating stained water common to flowages, reservoirs, and some shield lakes) the orange and red both look almost white. Understanding filters makes more sense to me than wavelengths alone when most of our depths that we fish are less than 20 feet of water. It is interesting though and I think the more we understand about color the better. |
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Location: Grand Rapids MN | There was an article in In-fisherman years ago about walleyes and their visions. The covered light penetration for different 'tints' of water but also they studied the make-up of the eye. Remember not all animals see in the same spectrum as us such as deer which can see further in the UV spectrum than us but not the IR. They discussed the differenct receptors (cones/rods) in the fish and how many of each they obtain and what spectrum within that type.
An example may be if a fish can see best on the UV side of the spectrum and UV light penetrates deeper in that type of water it will appear 'lighted' to them whereas it may look dark to us. If that same fish can not see on the IR side of the spectrum a red lure will look black therefore you have a dark lure in a lighted background. In the same sense if IR penetrates deeper then it will be 'darker' for the fish and a red lure would not show up well (black on black in a sense) but a green/blue lure will appear light against a dark background. I hope they do some studies on this. I think it's interesting stuff.
Final thoughts... just throw firetiger... it covers it all! |
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Location: Almond, WI | Let's put it this way...If I'm throwing a bucktail, I'm only (usually) working the top few feet of the water column anyway so I don't worry too much about a color "disappearing." With a heavy spinner like you originally inquired about, it might make a difference, but water clarity has an effect too. In clear water under a sunny sky, red will show up at a greater depth. There was an excellent article in Esox Angler by Jason Long about 5-6 years ago that covered color from a scientific perspective. Personally, I believe in using contrasting colors a lot, and use more reds/yellows/oranges at mid day, greens evening/morning, and white or black at dawn/dusk. |
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Location: Irvine, KY | Targa01 - 2/23/2009 10:38 PM
Final thoughts... just throw firetiger... it covers it all!
or rainbow lol |
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| so does this play into the color of line that people choose since there is green red yellow white...? |
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| personally i beleive the color "deal" comes from the bait manufacturers first..."gotta have as many different colors / combinations that you can fit in your box or boat to cover all the possibilities of above water light conditions and below the surface water clarity and how they interact with each other"...what else WOULD they say! a close second would be from the tv / magazine / guide personalities since their making a living doing this is based on "sponsers", to whatever extent, who just happen to be the same bait makers as above along with boat / motor / etc. companies. it's human nature, bait builders saying we gotta have "it" coupled with the industry "celebs" saying we gotta have "it", guess what, WE GOTTA HAVE IT! i am on my way out of the "gotta have it" deal. 10-20 baits total...some are either solid black or pretty much black for "contrast" being that nothing is darker than black so in pretty much any color water or any time of day or night that color will always "contrast". another batch is bright, say chartruese, because that color stays that color at a greater water depth than most other colors for again, the "contrast" it provides and some of those have black bars / spots on them for again, "contrast". the third bunch are your "natural" patterns for when that "these fish are conditioned" thing overtakes us...lol. the db 10 craze of late...another form of "contrast" from the overall quietness of the underwater world to the vibrations that the over-sized tablespoon lures put off! kind of like your local traveling ice cream truck...if he / she didn't have that crazy music or jingle blarring from that truck we would never know it was coming down the street caring all the great things we want to munch on...lol if i built baits or was a guide or had my own tv show of course i would never say any of these things but since i am not... maybe in my next life...:) that's my story and i'm stickin to it! but no one can pry the custom rods from my hands that keith at proedge built for me...I HAVE TO HAVE THOSE...LOL.
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