Hunt for big fish
wers4455
Posted 2/2/2009 7:39 AM (#358660)
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Just saw the show when he was fishing muskies that I had on DVR. Not a bad show. Caught some decent ones and one almost 50" pig. Caught it in pea soup! Larry seems pretty amuzing- "in about 8 hours this place will be crawling with humans" or "there's humans everywhere!" he'll tell the camera! Even though he doesnt hunt ski's alot, I might have to tune in more often to get a laugh!
Muskie Treats
Posted 2/2/2009 8:43 AM (#358663 - in reply to #358660)
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Larry fishes muskies a ton, just not on camera.
wers4455
Posted 2/2/2009 8:54 AM (#358665 - in reply to #358663)
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I knew that he fished for them alot, I just meant on camera
Willis
Posted 2/2/2009 9:37 AM (#358674 - in reply to #358660)
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I just watched that episode too. I found it amusing how he refused to use a net, and just neck grabbed 4+ foot long fish. super classic.
Sweet sturgeon snag too!
Where do you think he was on the St. Croix?
I wonder what that "secret" pea soup lake was....
wers4455
Posted 2/2/2009 11:23 AM (#358683 - in reply to #358674)
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My guess it was somewhere around the cities in MN.


Edited by wers4455 2/2/2009 11:24 AM
HBmusky
Posted 2/2/2009 12:19 PM (#358687 - in reply to #358683)
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good show classic blair witch project filming . It is nice to see that once in awhile with limited cuts and editing . I watch also linders show on muskies,that was on this weekend ,it was a good one It pumped me up . I put out some amazing close up footage of muskies taking top raiders in 2 shows I did with fox it was good footage,one was 44 inches or so and the other was a big 48 incher. you can probly still check it out on the internet. If your like me I try to watch every thing I can because it is just amazing some of the footage that is taken and I can not get enough. Herb Bloxsom
esoxfly
Posted 2/2/2009 2:41 PM (#358706 - in reply to #358683)
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wers4455 - 2/2/2009 12:23 PM

My guess it was somewhere around the cities in MN.


Yeah, I thought he said it was in a "metro" area or something like that....I just assumed it was a Cities lake.
JimtenHaaf
Posted 2/2/2009 4:36 PM (#358722 - in reply to #358674)
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Willis - 2/2/2009 10:37 AM

I just watched that episode too. I found it amusing how he refused to use a net, and just neck grabbed 4+ foot long fish. super classic.
:-O


I personally don't find grabbing a long fish like that amusing. The only way to do it is to tire the fish out more. Why play the fish out to exhaustion? That's why we have the big nets that we do. Net them as quickly as possible, unhook them as quickly as possible, have them back swimming in the water as quickly as possible.
0723
Posted 2/2/2009 5:48 PM (#358731 - in reply to #358722)
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That show was awesome someone pm me where they were fishing if you know.
T_Musky
Posted 2/2/2009 7:17 PM (#358748 - in reply to #358731)
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Great show! I thought it was pretty cool how they through a dart to a map and said they are going to fish wherever it landed....and catch muskies there!
esoxfly
Posted 2/2/2009 8:33 PM (#358758 - in reply to #358722)
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JimtenHaaf - 2/2/2009 5:36 PM
I personally don't find grabbing a long fish like that amusing. The only way to do it is to tire the fish out more. Why play the fish out to exhaustion? That's why we have the big nets that we do. Net them as quickly as possible, unhook them as quickly as possible, have them back swimming in the water as quickly as possible.


I don't wanna start bashing one of the most well-known and respected fishermen out there, but sometimes his fish handling kinda catches me off guard. He was pike fishing in Canada on last week's show, and his daughter was with him, and all the small pike they caught were unceremoneously tossed back in the water, while the bigger fish received a proper release. It's not bad, and I still like to watch his show, but I think it sends the wrong message, "small fish don't matter, big fish need respect."

I go through the full revival of even the hammer handles I catch. A 42" pike was a hammer handle at one time...

And I do still like Larry Dahlberg. Just and observation....
rumbler
Posted 2/2/2009 9:21 PM (#358765 - in reply to #358660)
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i thought that was a great show.Im pretty sure i new where he was when he went to the 2nd lake after the river.
esoxlucifer
Posted 2/2/2009 9:59 PM (#358772 - in reply to #358765)
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I too am a big dahlberg fan from way back. interesting debate on release techniques...i don't have the answers, but wondering if anyone has any data on morbidity and mortality with the different methods. ? removing slime/eye damage/fin damage in a net versus excess lactic acid in playing the fish longer for larrys hand landing? whatever will protect the resource, i'm all for it.
kreegz
Posted 2/2/2009 11:11 PM (#358779 - in reply to #358660)
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i turned it on right as he was reeling in the sturgeon. crazy how he snagged it.
JimtenHaaf
Posted 2/3/2009 3:28 PM (#358857 - in reply to #358772)
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esoxlucifer - 2/2/2009 10:59 PM

I too am a big dahlberg fan from way back. interesting debate on release techniques...i don't have the answers, but wondering if anyone has any data on morbidity and mortality with the different methods. ? removing slime/eye damage/fin damage in a net versus excess lactic acid in playing the fish longer for larrys hand landing? whatever will protect the resource, i'm all for it.


That's an excelent point. I too would love to see this if anyone knows where it's available.
esox50
Posted 2/3/2009 3:59 PM (#358861 - in reply to #358857)
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JimtenHaaf - 2/3/2009 3:28 PM

esoxlucifer - 2/2/2009 10:59 PM

I too am a big dahlberg fan from way back. interesting debate on release techniques...i don't have the answers, but wondering if anyone has any data on morbidity and mortality with the different methods. ? removing slime/eye damage/fin damage in a net versus excess lactic acid in playing the fish longer for larrys hand landing? whatever will protect the resource, i'm all for it.


That's an excelent point. I too would love to see this if anyone knows where it's available.


This type of comparative study hasn't been done on muskies. There has been some work done on netting, dermal injury, and mortality in bluegill (which are used as a model species) which could potentially be extrapolated to other species. The authors suggest further research should be done on larger species.

Lactic acid build-up can have SEVERE consequences on a fish's ability to recover from exhaustive exercise, and when coupled with excessive air exposure the problem is merely exacerbated. With today's knotless, fish friendly nets damage done to the fish is reduced vs. old non-coated, knotted bags. If you have a good pair of hook cutters on board, there is (in my opinion) no need to hand-land a fish, especially if you intend to take it out of the water for pictures.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T6N-484V...

Great show though. Loved the "amateur" type footage when they switched to that Metro lake. Larry's foot caught in that bait was classic, too!

Edited by esox50 2/3/2009 4:03 PM
esoxlucifer
Posted 2/3/2009 6:11 PM (#358891 - in reply to #358861)
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That clarifies this for me, sean. I knew one of our fisheries professionals would shed some light on this. I chose medicine instead of fisheries...but am glad you seem so dedicated to it and esox in particular. We all owe you and your colleages a debt-thankyou!
esox50
Posted 2/3/2009 7:12 PM (#358895 - in reply to #358891)
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esoxlucifer - 2/3/2009 6:11 PM

That clarifies this for me, sean. I knew one of our fisheries professionals would shed some light on this. I chose medicine instead of fisheries...but am glad you seem so dedicated to it and esox in particular. We all owe you and your colleages a debt-thankyou!


I'm no "fisheries professional" (yet?). Just happen to fish muskies and read a bunch of science articles.

2009 and 2010 will see a catch-and-release muskie study done in Ontario. You can email me if you'd like a few more specifics.
djwilliams
Posted 2/3/2009 10:10 PM (#358927 - in reply to #358660)
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That was the interstate bridge behind him in a couple scenes wasn't it. I wonder if they fished alot below that point. Anyone here familiar with the muskie fishing on the St Croix? Afton area, Hastings, Hudson, up north toward interstate Park- can anyone share about this fishery?
djwilliams
Guest
Posted 2/4/2009 8:10 AM (#358949 - in reply to #358927)
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djwilliams - 2/3/2009 10:10 PM

That was the interstate bridge behind him in a couple scenes wasn't it. I wonder if they fished alot below that point. Anyone here familiar with the muskie fishing on the St Croix? Afton area, Hastings, Hudson, up north toward interstate Park- can anyone share about this fishery?
djwilliams


Anyone fishing the PMTT in september sure would love that!
djwilliams
Posted 2/4/2009 8:59 PM (#359072 - in reply to #358660)
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Probly belongs in fishing repts, but since it's the subject here... is the St Croix worth the trip from central Iowa? Or is further down the list of places you'd rather fish. Been around here a long time so understand I don't expect specifics. Thanks.
Moltisanti
Posted 2/5/2009 7:43 AM (#359113 - in reply to #359072)
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Don, I live in Hudson and fish the Croix all the time. Honestly, if you were going to make a trip up to WI or MN, I wouldn't bank on the Croix. It's not exactly a northwoods vacation spot. More recreational traffic then you would think possible. Nothing like 6 cabin cruisers anchored together on your favorite spot getting drunk.

The fishery itself is good. Nice size structure with most of the fish being 41-45 and a decent shot at a really good one. The community spots get TONS of pressure but there are some obscure spots that hold fish too. It's tough to learn, but worth it if you have a lot of time...and live less than 5 minutes away.
castmaster
Posted 2/5/2009 7:52 AM (#359116 - in reply to #358660)
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"The only way to do it is to tire the fish out more. Why play the fish out to exhaustion? "

Didn't Larry get in some trouble several years ago for that very thing? He was playing fish for EXTENDED lengths of time so they could get better footage of the fight. Seem to remember something along those lines.
bturg
Posted 2/5/2009 8:51 AM (#359129 - in reply to #358660)
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"trouble" with who ???????????????????????????????????? his wife, the internet police, Bill Dance ???
castmaster
Posted 2/5/2009 12:04 PM (#359160 - in reply to #358660)
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It was a states DNR, just can't remember which state it was. He was cited for something in regards to playing fish for an extended time just to get various camera angles and shots.

Also can't remember if it involved shooting photos and video of fish that weren't in season and then "releasing" them or whether the particular state had a law on the books regarding "timely" release or what it was, just remember it created a small bit of controversy.

Edited by castmaster 2/5/2009 12:10 PM
castmaster
Posted 2/5/2009 12:13 PM (#359161 - in reply to #358660)
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Found it...He was cited in British Columbia for playing a Steelhead for an extended period of time in order to get photos and video, and it was done on a Catch & Release only river.
castmaster
Posted 2/5/2009 2:50 PM (#359185 - in reply to #358660)
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After posting I got to thinking I may come off as bashing Mr Dahlberg, and that's not the case. Just saw the comment on playing fish for a long time and thought I'd mention it had kind of bit him in the butt a little.

I'm sure he's a great guy and DEFINITELY a great multi species angler.
JimtenHaaf
Posted 2/5/2009 6:13 PM (#359206 - in reply to #359185)
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castmaster - 2/5/2009 3:50 PM


I'm sure he's a great guy and DEFINITELY a great multi species angler.



I'm sure he is too, but when you have a television show, you have great responsibilities.
Northwind Mark
Posted 2/6/2009 3:51 PM (#359364 - in reply to #359129)
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internet police, Bill Dance.

good one.........

Edited by Northwind Mark 2/6/2009 3:52 PM
Obfuscate Musky
Posted 2/6/2009 4:55 PM (#359373 - in reply to #358660)
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Best show on TV. Muskie show was great. Also, Larry is one of the guys who really pushed Circle Hooks all across the world, pretty sure we don't have to question his ethics.
Guest
Posted 2/7/2009 5:54 AM (#359445 - in reply to #358660)
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where can i see this episode, i missed it when they aired it,
Beaver
Posted 2/7/2009 11:29 AM (#359472 - in reply to #359445)
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If anyone should get ticketed for over-playing fish, it's Joe Bucher. I won't watch him anymore because I am sick of watching underwater footage of smallies that should have been lifted into the boat long before they were made to fight some more so they could net them and get that on film too. And what's with the dog licking the fish? Is that supposed to be cute? It's been done a million times Joe. Catch the fish, lift them in and let them go. You could get more fish on film if you didn't take 5 minutes with every 15 incher you catch.
Muskie Pat
Posted 2/7/2009 12:01 PM (#359476 - in reply to #358660)
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I saw the show, and it was entertaining. There are quite a few shows that I watch with the host either overplaying or, holding the fish out of the water for extended periods of time while he gives his dissertation on how, what & when of the catch. That drives me "Batty". I did notice that Mr Dahlberg needs to work on his figure 8's however. But overall a decent show.
wers4455
Posted 2/7/2009 12:51 PM (#359484 - in reply to #359472)
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Beaver - 2/7/2009 11:29 AM

If anyone should get ticketed for over-playing fish, it's Joe Bucher. I won't watch him anymore because I am sick of watching underwater footage of smallies that should have been lifted into the boat long before they were made to fight some more so they could net them and get that on film too. And what's with the dog licking the fish? Is that supposed to be cute? It's been done a million times Joe. Catch the fish, lift them in and let them go. You could get more fish on film if you didn't take 5 minutes with every 15 incher you catch.


I agree, even my wife made a comment saying " why does'nt he just bring it in the boat, that fish is'nt that big"

One episode I saw he was hunting ski's and was saying how hot it was with some spots on the lake at 80 degrees. Then when he catches a fish he's got it in front of the camera saying how he caught it and what not for a good couple minutes after finally putting it back in the water. That spot might not have been at 80, but it sure did seem like it was harmful to the fish.

Edited by wers4455 2/7/2009 1:14 PM
esoxfly
Posted 2/7/2009 7:12 PM (#359520 - in reply to #358660)
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I miss Walker's Cay Chronicles. My favorite show of all time.
Beaver
Posted 2/7/2009 7:54 PM (#359523 - in reply to #359520)
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I hear ya! Cliff Pallet? Now the only salt-water shows all seem to be on big trolling yachts. I always enjoyed watching him stalking Bonefish on gin-clear shallow flats. I think that I would like to do that some time. Funny you should mention that. I was thinking of him today when I was watching Shaw Grigsby catching Snook around different kinds of cover. I thought that Cliff would be able to cast a fly way back under that crap and make it look easy.
The Toad
Posted 2/8/2009 8:06 PM (#359669 - in reply to #359523)
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I thought it was a good show. Not the most entertaining hunt for big fish though, I wish he'd get back on the golden dorado again. Those are some awesome looking fish!! I also wish he would go back after the nile perch, but with 2lb magnum dawgs. That would be great.
But this last weeks show on lure making was great, and he's the only guy out there doing shows like that. Definitely made me turn the tv off and head to the workroom to make some more lures. I like Larry and definitely appreciate his unique shows.
Beaver
Posted 2/8/2009 11:06 PM (#359693 - in reply to #359669)
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I could watch him fish prop baits for Peacock Bass every week. Maybe before I die.......Peacock Bass and Caribou with a bow. Then a Viking funeral, and scuba divers and beach combers all over the next day
esoxfly
Posted 2/9/2009 12:43 AM (#359707 - in reply to #359523)
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Beaver - 2/7/2009 8:54 PM
Cliff Pallet?


Flip Pallot...
wers4455
Posted 2/9/2009 10:03 AM (#359741 - in reply to #358660)
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Saw this weeks episode. Great! He has alot of toys to play with. Loved it when he showed the rod and the weight balance. Makes a big difference. I'm not any kind of lure maker, but I could watch people make them all day long. Interesting.
thedude
Posted 2/9/2009 10:57 AM (#359748 - in reply to #358660)
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I miss Walker's Cay Chronicles. My favorite show of all time.

Couldnt agree more. Total classic, especially when Jose Wejebe was on the push pole. Headed down to Pine Island in 5 days! Hope it warms up down there!!!

Thedude
muskiemook
Posted 2/9/2009 11:44 AM (#359760 - in reply to #359520)
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esoxfly - 2/7/2009 7:12 PM

I miss Walker's Cay Chronicles. My favorite show of all time.



oh yeah!!!

Flip and Jose are my idols.
muskiemook
Posted 2/9/2009 11:48 AM (#359761 - in reply to #359523)
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Beaver - 2/7/2009 7:54 PM

I hear ya! Cliff Pallet? Now the only salt-water shows all seem to be on big trolling yachts. I always enjoyed watching him stalking Bonefish on gin-clear shallow flats. I think that I would like to do that some time. Funny you should mention that. I was thinking of him today when I was watching Shaw Grigsby catching Snook around different kinds of cover. I thought that Cliff would be able to cast a fly way back under that crap and make it look easy.


I only caught the last 10 minutes of that show but Shaw was stomping on some of my brothers and I turf down in Captiva. He was even anchored on the exact spots that we fish! They even showed/talked about South Seas where our brother was married last September!

Edit: It's Flip by the way.

Edited by muskiemook 2/9/2009 11:49 AM
djwilliams
Posted 2/9/2009 2:46 PM (#359799 - in reply to #358660)
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If you can get through some of the ego and the criticism of others that comes out through his comments, Tred Barta has a great philosophy. No 300 yard shots with a .400 Weatherby on something as big and slow as a bull moose. No getting out of the SUV, walking 30 yards and jacking a mountain goat from 700 yards. Even if he doesn't bag something the fair chase was worth it. Same for his fishing shows.
He appreciates more than just taking something home. He has fun and you know it. Being a muskie fisherman I understand all of that. I enjoyed his recent Colorado public land elk hunt video.
djwillaims
The Toad
Posted 2/9/2009 9:47 PM (#359862 - in reply to #359799)
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I loved walkers cay too...awesome show. I loved the one where they went canoeing in an unknown location in the everglades, flyfishing for enormous bass. And the dog went in the water for the first time ever when it got excited about the bass on the line. That was a great one.
Mr Musky
Posted 2/10/2009 7:40 PM (#360038 - in reply to #358660)
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B Turg, those were some nice pics at the beginning of Larry's show!