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| I am thinking about buying one of these boats.
I would appreciate any opinions people have especially on the Lund because of it being so new.
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Location: Kodiak, AK | Other than I saw a glass Lund a boat show a few weeks ago and the price tag was $63,000!!!!!! |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Yes, efly your right, however if your comparatively speaking a Ranger 621 and the Lund 208 GL which is the one you saw, both fully rigged out are over $60K. However, both the rigs he's asking about are mid to high $30K range, not the caddies of each respectables line. Apples to apples, not apples to oranges.
I can't speak for the Ranger 1860 but I did have one opportunity to spend some time in the Lund 186 GL at the Lund Boats Dealer Conference in Red Wing this past September and I'll say, it was a nice rig. The only downfall I saw to it was the front deck, it's minimal compared to other glass rigs of comparison. I think the Lund would be a great choice if your mainly fishing two guys in the boat and no more due to the lack of front deck space, three is probably impossible, at least for me it probably would. |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | Yeah, you're totally correct TJ. I guess I was just a bit surprised to see that price tag on such a new line. And yes, you're also right, that he's in the next price range down, which makes it more reasonable.
I will say that I'm not a "bass boat" guy, though I am a Ranger guys, but it was cool seeing a glass boat from a "pure" deep V multi-species company. Open floor plan, windshield, etc.
The only thing I'd offer up is the consideration of buying a brand new boat. Brand new in design, materials and construction. Are there bugs to be worked out? And the best come back to that would be, "it's a Lund," so it should be good to go. But that'd be my only hesitation in buying from a brand new line like that. |
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| The only thing I'd offer up is the consideration of buying a brand new boat. Brand new in design, materials and construction. Are there bugs to be worked out? And the best come back to that would be, "it's a Lund," so it should be good to go. But that'd be my only hesitation in buying from a brand new line like that.
the Lund GL isn't really "new" in the sense that you're describing.
Lund is part of the Brunswick family, which also owns well-regarded fiberglass boat brands such as Triton and Trophy. as a result, they have plenty of good fiberglass-building experience in house.
the Lund GL line has also been out for a few years now, so not really new in that sense either; there's enough of them running around for people to have experienced how well they run and fish.
as is true for many Lunds, it has a spacious cockpit - long and very wide at 98" of beam. obviously that means reduced front-deck size compared to bass-style boats. on their website, the Lund 186 GL is priced at $29,995 with a 150hp motor. i've been in a few and they are impressive rigs...if you fish wet-sock walleyes! 
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Location: Kodiak, AK | Fair 'nuff Lambeau, I was just offering up what would be my consideration.... |
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Location: Warroad, Mn | I looked at both at the Minneapolis boat show this past week. On the showroom floor they look very similar. Size and layout are much the same.
I've fished out of a 1860 Ranger a number of days (one of my fishing buddies has one), and they are a very nice fishing platform. He has a windshield model and we commonly fish three experienced folks and have no problems with space. The boat is also very stable, does a good job in rough water, and in general it's a #*^@ nice boat.
Haven't fished out of the Lund, but it looks very similar. I suspect that it's Lunds answer to the 1860 Ranger. The front deck looks to be about the same size as the Ranger, so I think that would be fine. I actually like the Lund a little better sitting on the show room floor than the Ranger. I liked the back casting platform better, a little more room back there than the Ranger. I'd like to fish out of one, as it looked to me like I may be a little higher out of the water in the Lund than the Ranger, but that is hard to tell in the showroom. The Lund seemed to have a lower front deck than the Ranger, so that may well make it lower to the water.
Got several quotes from various dealers and in general the Lund was a little cheaper, but that could vary greatly. Somewhere around 10-12 grand cheaper than a 620.
Both looked to be great boats and one of them will probably be my next boat also.
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| Dougj, are you saying you would prefer the front deck to be up a little higher than the 1860? |
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Location: Warroad, Mn | Nope, I want to be as close to the water as possible. Both for figure-8's, and releasing fish in the water. It looked like the floor in the Lund was down a little farther in the Lund then in the Ranger, but the hull may be higher. Hard to till how it would work in the show room.
I like to be as close to the water as I can be. Easier to work with the fish both from
a catching standpoint and from a releasing standpoint. Still you need a boat that can handle big water if you fish big lakes.
Doug Johnson |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | Amen to that Doug. And that's why I love my 620 hull on the 200C cap. I'm as close to the water as a bass fisherman in his Z520, but I've got the hull to handle LSC in a small craft advisory. |
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| Well I am a Ranger guy so I'll get that out first.
I too like the lower front deck on the Ranger, less bow to blow in the wind too.
I thought the front on the Lund was a bit narrower at the bow, on a boat that length you want every inch you can get.
Pretty sure the Lund uses Glass wrapped Foam Board for it's transom and stringers vs the solid Putruded Glass that Ranger uses which will never crush internally as Foam Board can. In addition the floatation foam in the Ranger actually bonds the hull and top cap together to make the boat perform as one piece, significantly more rigid than the glue and screw style of bonding the two halves together. The storage compartments are also moulded as one piece in the the top cap which adds to rigidity, adds to waterproofness, and gives you a fiberglass storage compartment that is made to be part of the boat vs attached later from plastic........I could go on but these are a few of the things I would look at and consider if you are going to own the boat for a while. |
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| Thanks to everybody who responded.
I still have not made my decision but I am leaning towards the Ranger. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'Glass wrapped foam board' is a misleading description of what many builders are using for transom material and stringers. Composite transom construction materials used today in high performance boats offer extremely rigid, extremely strong transoms ready, willing and able to carry the new 300 HP outboards on the market now, and are certainly not prone to 'crushing internally'. The material used in many boat transoms I am familiar with can't even be bruised with a framing hammer, and that's before lamination. The same New generation composites used in boat building are also used in military applications instead of traditional fiberglass laminates or steel where strength/weight ratio is critical, and hold up under severe applications. Also, an entire transom can be made from the composite material covering keel to chine and corner to corner.
Flotation foam bonds to whatever it is injected into as it expands and 'kicks'. I would say that if they chose to, many boat companies could say the foam bonds the deck to the hull, but it's doubtful any builder would rely on that bond for overall structural integrity. Foam coring is a common method of stiffening/reducing flex in the hull and deck, and allows for less laminate to be used if that's the goal. Whaler used to build a a full foam core boat, I suspect some models still are. In order to claim a 'one piece boat, I'd think the hull and deck should be laminated together creating a molecular bond between the parts, actually making the parts 'one piece'.
In short, the laminate technology used by both builders is cutting edge, and both will take extreme abuse. |
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Location: Warroad, Mn | I was told that the Lund fiberglass boats where actually made by Triton, which makes sence as they are both owned by Brunswick. It also looks like Tritons aliminum boats are made by Crestliner, for the same reason.
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| I'll stand by my statements, I have mounted a few items on the non-solid core Transoms and after getting thru the initial skin there is very little resistance till you hit the glass skin on the far side, just not the best as far as I am concerned. The Ranger hull like the majority of glass boats is made in two pieces and then bonded together... as I stated above the construction process used creates a one piece feel not a one piece unit as it does have two halves are bonded together and foam injected to creat maximum performance and a more ridgid unit that will perform and feel like a solid piece. Brunswick (the Lund Parent company) bought Triton a few years back and they certainly share some ideas in design and construction. I am not saying the Lund will not perform but simply pointing out differences for a prospective buyer to consider. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Suffice it ti say the Lund transom is every bit as strong (and durable) as the Ranger, and the Ranger transom is every bit as strong (and durable) as the Lund, that's factual. As said, many boat builders foam core, so that's not unique either. Both are excellent boats, and use cutting edge construction techniques. |
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| Is the Lund transom/stringers glass wrapped foam core or is it solid. |
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| I am pretty sure that Lund uses the wrapped/core style as does Triton..... all of the Rangers models have solid Transoms |
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| Interesting. Thanks for the info Bob |
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Location: Warroad, Mn | I guess I don't know for sure how Triton or Lund makes their tramsoms. I do know this for sure. I have a 205 Triton that has around 50,000 actual GPS miles on it on the LOTWs with a 225 Opti on it with an 8" jackplate, and haven't have any problems. Seems to me that however they make them works!
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| Hey Doug, how is the rear deck on the 1860? Can you fish from it? It looks like you could build a small deck extension that fits behind the back seats... maybe adding just 6-8" would be enough. |
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Location: Warroad, Mn | I've been fishing out of Jack Burns 1860 Angler quite a bit. The boat in general is very nice, great ride and very stable to fish out of. I feel the back deck is probably big enough although another three-four inches in width would be a help. Biggest problem I have is with the positioning of the pole seats bases. They are two (one on each side) and when you put the seat in you are a little too close to the edge of the boat to have a good spot to put your feet. Maybe the problem is that I have big feet! The Lund seemed to have a little more room on the back deck, but I've never fished out of one.
Otherwise it's a great boat. Jack really likes it and so do I.
Doug Johnson |
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| Just pulling this thread up to see if anyone has spent any time in the 186 gl... dougj did you go w/ a new boat yet? Anyone else? My concern too is that the deck of the lund is too high for muskie fishing. Thanks |
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Location: Bemidji, Lake Vermilion | Yeah, in the year since this was going on, anyone else got more feedback? I have also compared them and had a chance for a great deal on a 186GL, single console, I thought it was set up very well, and would have no issues with a third guy fishing off that back corner of the front deck with no console there. Was comparing directly also with Angler 1860's. I felt the Lund beat it. Would love to hear what anyone has to say, as last I checked the boat is not sold yet and the price is getting better and better, lol. |
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| I fished this whole summer out of my dads 186 gl 2008. was a single council so there was plenty of room for three guy, weather bass or musky fishing. The boat was low enough to the water to do figure 8's with a 7.5' rod. The boat handles great, was equipped with a 175 verado. Dry storage stayed dry. Over all a very nice boat, but if planning on storing in a garage measure it out, long boat. I would recommend this boat, as a son of a owner. |
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Lund 186 Fisherman GL VS. Ranger 1860 Angler