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| Does anyone have a pic of a Loepard Musky? |
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Location: Hayward WI | Is this what you mean by leopard?
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Location: Yahara River Chain | erico, he means a hybrid muskie that is spotted, er not a tiger, but a "leopard". |
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Location: So. Illinois | Never heard of a Leopard musky -- erico, thats one cool looking fish...
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Location: University of Hartford | I have only seen one actual leopard and it was out of eagle, and seen a couple pictures from there. I think that they were on Herbie's old website cause I cant find them. |
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| This is what I think you are looking for.
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Location: Watertown, MN | I have seen one on AML website, Rob Manthei client I believe caught it on EAgle. From what I remember it more white with real fine black dots.
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| yah those 2 are not what he is looking for...I remember the same fish TroyZ and Rob was in the pic but I can't find it either on Herbies site...it was a pretty cool lookin fish....
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| The pic of the leopard Rob M. guided a client to is in an Esox Angler magazine. It is an awesome picture, I just can't think of what issue. The repo was done by Lax and it was at the Chicago show in Herbie's booth two shows ago. Good luck finding it.
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Location: Blaine, MN | I thought those spotted "tigers" were only found in Eagle. I saw a pic once but don't remember where it was. Probably on this site. |
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| Here is the fish people are talking about - I thought the leopards are exclusive to Eagle as well. This picture is also on Herbie's new brochures - although the other guy (not Rob) got cropped out. Picture really doesn't do it justice - hues of purple, etc. really made this fish stand out as "different looking". And lastly, it did make an Esox Angler - really can't remember what issue...
John
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| Just wanted to try one more time with another version of this pic for better quality...
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Location: North Canton, Ohio 44720 | Heres another photo of one.
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| Mike,
You got it right - I thought that photo didn't look like the one I was after. The colors of that fish are unbelievable and that is what stands out about that fish. Funny thing, that guy with Rob wanted nothing to do with that fish and wouldn't touch it. Probably why it wasn't a big deal for them to touch the photo up and remove him from the picture for Herbie's color brochures.
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| Mike,
You got it right - I thought that photo didn't look like the one I was after. The colors of that fish are unbelievable and that is what stands out about that fish. Funny thing, that guy with Rob wanted nothing to do with that fish and wouldn't touch it. Probably why it wasn't a big deal for them to touch the photo up and remove him from the picture for Herbie's color brochures.
Anyways, glad the picture was found - a very special fish and sorry for the double post - I will quit now...
John
Edited by jflannery 10/24/2008 10:57 AM
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Location: St. Louis, MO., Marco Is., FL, Nestor Falls, ON | Most of the muskies in Crow Lake (Kakagi) look like that, too. I have lots of pictures from Crow and checked it to make sure. I thought they were just the typical spotted strain. |
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Location: Sioux Lookout On Canada | I have caught a couple really small spotted muskies on Big Vermilion lake up here by Sioux Lookout. |
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| jflannery - 10/24/2008 10:51 AM
Mike,
You got it right - I thought that photo didn't look like the one I was after. The colors of that fish are unbelievable and that is what stands out about that fish. Funny thing, that guy with Rob wanted nothing to do with that fish and wouldn't touch it. Probably why it wasn't a big deal for them to touch the photo up and remove him from the picture for Herbie's color brochures.
Wrong John! My buddy has handled well over a 100 fish with several fish being larger than the one pictured. He's 70 by the way! Spends 10 to 14 hours a day up to two weeks straight. On the water he's throwing cowgirls most of the time and showgirls for a break. Figure eight's are performed after every single cast, and up to the reel seats when necessary. Landed a 45" inch northern this summer on a blind figure eight from his knee's. Most muskie fisherman on this board can only hope to be able to participate in this grueling sport at 70 years old the way he does.
He was edited out of the picture so that others could promote themselves; not for the reasons you stated. It was a beautiful fish caught by a wonder and deserving man. |
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| Wow. The second one looks incredible. Here's hopin!
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| I see a white measuring device on the boat behind you. Is that what you call a bump board? I am curious. Nice fish by the way. Gorgeous pattern.
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| I wanted to make sure and respond to Fishboy19 publicly that I was not trying to be condescending about his buddy not wanting to hold that fish. If it wasn't a big deal to him - no big deal. I certainly wasn't questioning his fishing skills which you went into. I actually remember Rob and Herbie complementing him on his fishing when we were going over the recent catches pictures at the lodge. Rob just said matter of fact that he didn't want to touch that fish and probably the reason why your buddy didn't even want to be in the photo - or at least appear to not want to.
I hope I can get to a point someday that a fish like that wouldn't be a big deal to me - but it still would be now.
I just think that when I see leopard muskie - I think of that fish and that is a credit to your buddy. I do know that Rob and Herbie, as myself, love Eagle and the quality of fish that comes from that fishery and to not put a picture of that fish on the brochure that was put together the next winter was probably tough. I am sure that if your buddy did hold the fish - he would have been on that brochure - it is that nice and unique of a fish to include - no matter who held it. Rob has also never claimed to have caught that fish - I am sure he was just as happy to have brought him to the spot, net it, and help him release it. To want a picture of what he viewed as a unique fish should not be misconstrued as anything more than that - it is a beautiful fish from the lake he loves to fish.
My apologies to Fishboy if you took my post the wrong way.
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| so what you're talking about is a tiger/hybrid muskie with a heavy dose of spots in the pattern? many of the tigers from Utah have that pattern...i'll attach some pictures.
i know the muskie half of the Utah hybrids are spotted muskies and on top of that they're living in water that is very clear; i know some parts of Eagle are very clear as well. perhaps the clear water contributes to the "irridescent" coloring to go with the spotted tiger pattern? whatever the cause, they're beautiful fish!
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Location: Brookfield, WI | When was that first one taken? Look at the hair on that dude! I think he's sporting a mullet. LOL.
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| I think a Leopard is a Spotted crossed with a Northern. I've also heard Purple Leopard. The second tiger in yours Lambau has a nice purple shine too....wow.
I have heard that these fish are exclusive to Eagle. Don't know if this is true or not. From what I've heard, there's no mistaking it when you see em. From what I know the pic that Mikeallen post is the true representation.
Darcy Cox
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| The Utah spotties look the same as the Lac Vieux Desert Tigers and LVD surely doesnt' have any spotted musky's in it. Are you sure your not looking for a the spotted strain with the black spots? |
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Location: Hugo, MN | I believe the leopard muskies like the one pictured with Rob Manthei are unique to Eagle Lake. This was written about in a Musky Hunter article a few years back. Maybe someone else remembers what they're a cross of, but I believe that they're basically just tigers, but with different colors than anywhere else. Some sort of genetic mutation. Either way, they are the most beautiful tigers I've ever seen. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I still like the way that 55 posted by Brian looks, i think that's the sweetest of all these cool looking fish. That second down on lambeau's post is tricked out too! nice pics all! |
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| A "Leopard" muskie is a hybrid between a muskellunge and a silver pike. These silver pike can be rare and are exclusive to some bodies of water and rivers. Eagle lake from what I understand has a small population of silver pike which leads to the rare but beautiful leopard muskies. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'Silver Pike' are actually the result of a genetic mutation. |
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| Anybody have a pic of a "silver pike" ? |
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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin | Interesting how symantics (names) are changing after a hundred years. The Eagle "Tiger" held by Rob is a cross between a muskellunge (Esox masquinongy) and a pike (Esox lucius). This "cross" has ALWAYS been considered a "TIGER" muskie. Some clear, weedy muskie lakes produce true muskies with barred patterns that some call tigers, but they lack the spots that true hybrids have. Not all tigers produced from this cross have the beautiful blue hue/tint to them that the Eagle, Pineview, LVD and others have, especially tigers produced in dark water systems, but this is not inherent to just Eagle Lake.
Crosses between "silver pike" (Esox lucius-mutation, as pointed out by Mr. Worrall) and muskellunge will produce the same "tiger" pattern as the other non-mutated pike.
Where things can get "weird" is when there are F2 hybrid "backcrosses" (extremely rare in nature), from a female "hybrid/tiger" and a true muskie (yes, female hybrids ARE able to reproduce when backcrossed with either male parent-however survival is very low in the male muskie cross and usually a 100% failure with the male pike cross). The F2 backcross produces a strikingly spectacular specimen that looks a lot like a chain pickerel with "black" chains.
Leopard muskies had always been considered those with round, black or dark brown spots...basically a vividly marked "spotted muskie" like the 50-incher caught from Cass Lake, MN by Mark Windel's many years ago (if I find the photo I will post it). These are merely true muskies with a more vivid pattern for reasons uncertain, likely environmental.
The fish shown by erico could fall into the "leopard" category. The fish shown by Brian Kroll is what I would consider more of a "Jaguar" pattern, often found in extremely clear waterbodies.
Edited by Larry Ramsell 10/28/2008 9:26 AM
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Location: Oak Lawn, IL | Here's a Cass Lake "Leopard" my buddy Chuck caught this past August...
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Here's the only one I've ever had in my boat that I would consider a leopard, my Dad got her on St Clair in '05 on a topraider. She was totally different than anything I've ever seen even when compared to other vividly spotted fish. Her spots continued across her back and even over the top of her head. 
Edited by Will Schultz 10/28/2008 6:53 PM
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| Again....wow. Those are insane.
Crazy that environmentals can produce a fish like the one Mikeallen posted.
Darcy
Edited by 50inchGrinch 10/28/2008 8:15 PM
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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin | Will, great example of a "leopard" true muskie.
As an aside, another tidbit...for many years around the Park Rapids, MN area, silver pike (Esox lucius) were called and considered "Silver Muskies", which of course was innaccurate. In fact, at one time MN used these "silver muskies" in the hatchery program...of course they were raising "silver pike"...wonder what they thought when some of them reverted to their natural pike coloration!
On the other hand, the muskies in KY are called "silver muskies". This is because they look "silver" in the water. They are however, TRUE muskellunge (Esox masquinongy). |
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