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| I posted something and got completely bashed for fishing in a creek? I didnt know that it mattered where you caught muskies as long as you caught them? Me personally if you dont have a boat anymore and can get them from shore in a creek I will fish it. Does it matter where you catch them? |
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Location: Bloomington,MN | why did it get removed?i saw the pic of the two you caught and i think thats awesome.big fish in such a small creek. |
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Location: South Portsmouth, KY | Creek fishin is awsome. Around here in ky we got some great creek fishin. Believe me the muskie in the creek can be just as tough to catch as if they were in a lake. |
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| To me it seemed like people believed it was less of fishing or something I dont understand sorry I dont have a boat anymore I have to catch them with what I have! |
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Location: Land of the Musky | I have a few pictures on my website of creek musky (maybe a really small river?) . WOW is all I can say. If I saw soem of these fish in a creek I would crap my pants! |
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| Brandon,
Who cares where you got them. A fish is a fish no matter where its caught. As long as you do it legally and ethically. Who cares. If I were you I stop looking for some sort of justification of your catches. Be your own fisherman. I for one think those fish were cool looking. I'd like to hear the details like what you used and the water conditions. |
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| Welcome to the world of on-line muskie fishermen and women. Ignore the idiots that critisize. Take everything with a grain of salt. Remember, you don't know if these people have even caught a fish, but they can hide behind the computer and say whatever they want. There is some GREAT info on this site and there are some great fishermen and women that post here. After awhile you will get a feel for who knows what they are talking about and who is full of........bologna. |
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| Hunter: Water clarity was about a foot the water was moving not to fast though you could work the baits we were using suspending cranks and they were eating one on the pause one on the pull. The fish were caught legally! someone criticized me for snagging im not that type of fishermen I wouldnt think to cheat or fish like that. I would of never expected this to happen to me but Im sure weirder things that happened. I also caught a couple on Rapala ssr7 and my buddy got one on an xrap.
Muskydeceiver: The people that were critisizing were uder guest names or made up I guess your right I will just ignore those people!
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| Hi Brandon, nice fish I think your in the FRV Muskies inc, chapter so are my wife and I. Just wanted to say hi and the moniters delete so much stuff because of photos and backgrounds it silly. People think there are so many secert places, well thers not if you ever see 1 other musky boat on it it's no secert!!!!!!!!! Or anyone fishing from shore for muskies no secert. Great fish does not matter what kind of water it was caught out of. Hell if a parking lot floods next to a lake and I get a big girl out of a parkling lot who cares if it was caugth next to a shopping cart.
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| Nice fish! Not critizing here, I'm just curious. Do those fish live in that creek all year long or do they run up it during certain parts of the year? |
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| Brandon,
There is another thread where people say catching muskies on suckers is easy ... I suppose catching them in a creek/spillway is easy, too. Whatever. No muskie is easy, and none is better than another. As long as you're having fun I don't think any of that matters. Great fish. Be proud. Don't let anyone discourage you.
Good post, too, calling [them] out. Nice work.
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Location: Lebanon,Mo | Nice fish& congrats Brandon,long time no see. |
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| the moniters delete so much stuff because of photos and backgrounds it silly. People think there are so many secert places, well thers not
notably, we never delete posts due to backgrounds in the picture, etc.; really the only thing that gets the yank are posts that include personal attacks, bashes, and non-family friendly content or language.
the post in question was not deleted, it was simply moved to the Moved/Deleted forum.
this was done at Brandon's own specific request after it was suggested by others' posts that the fish he caught might have been snagged below the spillway.
this website thrives on those who are willing to share information with each other. at times, the amount of information (esp about specific water) is a worthwhile debate, but at the end of the day this website is about sharing.
participate at your own level.
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| I asked for it to be deleted because how are people that dont even know me accuse me of snagging a fish? Thats not musky fishing at all! I wouldnt be nearly as excited if I had snagged it and I def wouldnt of made a big deal of 2 huge muskies on back to back casts thats for sure I just wanted to share something that happened to be not get bashed by people saying I did one thing when I was there and removed the hooks from the fishes mouths none of you were there but my two buddies that had the net job under control |
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Location: United States | zarno12 - 9/24/2008 7:45 PM
Nice fish! Not critizing here, I'm just curious. Do those fish live in that creek all year long or do they run up it during certain parts of the year?
Typically this time of year there are very few fish in this creek. Two weekends ago there was an incredible amount of rain, 10+ inches. The lake, which normally has very stable water levels, rose 34 inches and the barrier net around the spillway broke. The muskies, as they will do, followed the running water and over the spillway they went. High water in the spring usually results in some fish going over the spillway even with the barrier in place and each year "muskie" rescues are done in early summer. The rescues have yielded anywhere from 20 to 70 muskies captured and returned to the lake.
The Quad County Hawg Hunters have always been the organizer and have quickly reacted. Another rescue has been organized for this Saturday. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | brandon-Some nice hogs there! That sounds fun! I could sit in my huntin chair in the middle of the creek with the shoes off, drink a beer adn catch some nice muskie! Sounds like a good summer day on a Sunday to me!
Nice fish!
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Location: In the cabbage | Hey bro those are some nice fish! That looks like a hell of a time! |
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Location: WI | Sweet fish! If I had creeks like that around here, or if I knew where they were I'd be trying to get one on a fly rod. The world is ripe with jealousy, embrace others criticism for what it truly is. |
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| Brandon,
Awesome fish! Just wondering but did you happen to get them back into the lake? I can't even imagine how many fish are down there right now based one what I have seen in the past. Keep it up, and to anyone that knows where this is/fishes there please take the effort to get the fish back into the lake if at all possible.
Again awesome fish!
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| I fish creeks more than I fish lakes, I can read the structure better because I grew up on a creek and I also only have a canoe and kayak to stalk them in. I know of outflows around here where there are so many musky that they are stacked up like cordwood I fish them sometimes they are fun. Truth be told, I think that guys are mainly upset that they did not find about it first. It is a fish in a barrel situation but alot of fun none the less so boo hoo they did not get them from a $25,000 boat with the newest technology, and gear they had fun and as long as CPR was practiced to it's fullest let it go. You'll probably find the naysayers at the same spot next week fishing with suckers which they bashed last week. You can delete this post now if you want. |
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| Brandon,
You say the water visability is 1'. If that is the case, from the pix posted you are fishing is water no more then 1' deep. That means you are sight fishing. You walk down the bank until you see a fish and throw at it until it hits or swims off.
Let me ask, if this is such a feat, if you were looking in the water and did not see the fish, would you even make a cast, much less rig up and fish?
Again, from the photos, you are wearing polarized glasses, sight fishing in shallow water under a spillway after 11" of rain. This has nothing to do with having or not having a boat.
You referred back to some guy claiming that you were snagging the fish, for those who did not see the initial post, that was me. What was not mentioned, I took back my comment and apologized. But my point remains, sight fishing under a spillway is not exactly sporty.
It is not a sport, it's raping nature.
I guess the entire scenario would have been different if the fish were put back in the lake the way the club was going to do so this weekend. But you didn't. Rather then do anything beneficial, you put the fish back and went after the next one. The reason the clubs put these fish back in the lake is because the fish cannot do so on their own and they will die. The creeks all look like the Mississippi at the moment, but in a few weeks they will be oxygen starved cess pools littered with dead fish. So, forgive me for not showing up to pat you on the back and buy you a beer.
I have fished rivers and creeks for years steelhead and salmon fishing. I've seen it all. Guys with $2000 Orvis rods/ reels, wide brim hat, net hanging off their vest smoking a pipe having the time of their lives flossing fish. Sight fishing penned up fish is no different. |
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| Not sure why this bugs me so much, but it hit a cord. When I was at Vermilion this summer we were doing a lot of sight fishing. We would spot fish cruising and then cast to them. Is this unsporting? There are a TON of people that sight fish for bedding bass in the spring. Is this unsporting? I spend a bunch of time on small trout streams sight fishing for trout. Am I RAPING NATURE by dong this? I sure haven't thought so in the past. Maybe I need to reevaluate my morales before I fish for them again. Just becuase they are there doesn't mean they will eat. As long as they weren't snagged I don't see what the problem is.
I don't know what the rules are there, but in Iowa if he were to remove that fish from the creek and move it to the lake it would be illegal. Another thing to consider is does he have the right equipment to get the fish from the creek to the lake. I think the best way to do it involves a bucket and a wet towel. The last thing is, he already said he is going to show up this weekend to help with the move. |
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| Catching three fish in outing/day on crankbaits is raping nature? I guess I'm a serial rapist then.
I understand the concerns, but take a real look at the situation and the facts before attacking a young angler who is still learning his way in muskie fishing, like so many others, despite being unwilling to admit they are still doing.
This is hardly an Alaskan Salmon run.
Does going to Canada make you less of a sportsman than fishing in Iowa?
These fish are born, raised, and stocked in order to be caught. Has anything else happened here? Has this in any way effected the efforts that club puts towards rescuing these fish? |
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| Brandon... Seeking some sort of validation on a muskie website is your first mistake.
No matter what you do, who you are, how you fish, where, out of what or with what there will ALWAYS be someone out there who will tell you how you should have done it, or how you clearly should not be doing what you're doing. Here's a few off the top of my head that I've seen people just ripped apart for, because it's not fair, it's not right, it doesn't count or its too easy:
Trolling
Using live bait
Fishing in a creek/river or stream
Fishing during the spawn
Fishing in a small lake
Fishing with a guide
Fishing in a place someone else showed you
Using electronics
You could go out tomorrow, tow your boat to a lake you've never fished, launch your boat, catch a 50" muskie, post the picture here, and I guarantee you someone out there will tell you your fish doesn't count, "That's not 50", "Anybody can catch a muskie there there's 10 fish per acre", "you read about that spot in some magazine", or even "you just got lucky, even my grandma could have caught that fish, and she's been dead for 15 years"...
Chances are the person telling you any of that probably has been musky fishing fewer hours than the number of fish you've caught. They may have not ever even caught one before.
Now, knowing a bit about where you are fishing? Well, it's kind of like fishing in a barrel. Those fish are trapped in there and probably getting really hungry. I wouldn't go as far as to say you shouldn't be fishing for them. I guarantee you that if you don't someone else will. But if you're going to post the pictures on a website like this, you kind of need to be prepared for the inevitable flak that you're going to get about it. Because again -- no matter who you are, there are a lot of people out there who know better, fish better, and are just simply superior in every way at fishing.
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| "You better think" - that's my lead in from the name.....but follow my path here:
-you start a thread saying 'look how amazing I am in catching these fish'
-you caught them from a spillway where the fish are basically trapped in a creek to the point that a local club will be taking them OUT, and putting them back in the lake they escaped from.
-you make a claim about size that is not easy to see from the pics. not saying that you're lying or exaggerating, but....
-you hold the fish out in the pics so far that if your fingers were actually that big...half of your middle finger is as long as your whole face.
You might want to think that all of the above is going to bring on a backlash from the readers here. Maybe that backlash is warranted, maybe it isn't. However, if you look at the above points, it might be easy to see that you're sort of opening yourself up to scrutiny. My point is that you shouldnt be surprised that people reacted the way that they did.
Is catch a fish in a pond, creek or lake any different? I suppose it depends on the circumstances and those in which you caught yours are definitely different than most would see. Is it less 'sporting'? Some would say trolling, or using livebait, or using a marked map, or going with a guide, or using electronics or or or or or is not sporting. So do you think it's less sporting? Does it matter? |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | Nevermind....All I will say is calling this "creek fishing" is definetely a stretch.
Edited by Musky Brian 9/25/2008 11:04 AM
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| does it matter where you catch them?
so a guy went to the fish hatchery the other day and put some corn on a hook and reeled in some huge trout.
He's a regular fish magician. yes it matters where you catch them.
spillway is now another word for 'creek' I guess too.
You set yourself up for this one imo.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | there are times i'd consider punting on second down |
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| Help put the muskies back in the lake and then go catch them....
Shooting fish in a barrell if you ask me, concerning that spillway...Not very sporting....Just my opinion.... |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | don't know about the rest of you, but I say, "Nice Catch!!" Thrilling to catch a fish in low water...only two ways to go, sideways or up!! Spillway or not, the fish are there and will eat. If released or kept, a right to fish there has not been violated.
Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I say beware of how you write your opinion...it can easilly be misconstrued as an attack based upon your own viewpoints. That is the tough thing about these forums....empathy in what you write is much harder to do than when you say it directly.
Nice fish!! Amazing how some really big fish can be found in very small areas...
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| So....in your high and mighty opinions, are you going to tell me that sight fishing trout in the Green is not sporting? How about Bonefish on the flats? What about a permit tailing in slack water?
What a crock. A fish is a fish, is a fish, is a fish. Doesn't matter one iota whether it was caught in 50' of water or 5 feet of water. I've sight fished muskies on conventional tackle, and on a flyrod, and it's a riot. You still have to have the right bait, and the right presentation to get them to eat. Anyone that says different should try it sometime, see how successful you are at "shooting fish in a barrel." |
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| For those interested in rescuing these fish: 11am on Saturday, September 27
Volunteers are needed! Please bring musky nets and long coolers.
Meet on shabbona grove road at the archery area by the bridge, which is below the dam.
If you have any questions, please contact Duane @ 815-761-5182
The creek is about 3 yards wide and very shallow. The deepest area is directly under the spillway with the exception of a few pools downstream. Its probably fun to fish here and am guilty of going down there ONCE about 6 years just to check it out, but I'll never go back no matter how many fish are trapped unless I'm there to return them back to the lake with the club that puts the rescue together. If you do decide to fish here, please try and get them back to the lake.
Edited by Reelwise 9/25/2008 11:45 AM
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| I am guessing the high moral opinion post was directed at me, I'll take the bait.
Site fishing for trout is by no means what I am speaking of here, provided the fly is displayed in a manner in which the fish opens it's mouth and actually bites the fly.
..on the other hand, rigging up a leader with more then one hook (I've seen as many as 4 on one leader) then repeatedly cast at a fish 15' away from you and set the hook with a downward and downstream rip is what I am talking about.
If you get a fish to eat great, if you call hooking up anyway you can get the hooks into a fish, be it the outside of the mouth on a good floss job, the back or the tail is what I am referring to. So please do not try to correlate terrestrial trout with a musky stuck under a spillway.
To each their own. But plugging in your fish to 3 separate internet sites about the conquest of hooking up fish in a barrel, then coming back looking for support?
Simple question. Why did you mention going to a lake fishing in the post that started all of this if you didn't think anything was wrong with fishing under the spillway? |
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Location: deep in the slop | Whoolligan - 9/25/2008 8:26 AM
So....in your high and mighty opinions, are you going to tell me that sight fishing trout in the Green is not sporting? How about Bonefish on the flats? What about a permit tailing in slack water?
What a crock. A fish is a fish, is a fish, is a fish. Doesn't matter one iota whether it was caught in 50' of water or 5 feet of water. I've sight fished muskies on conventional tackle, and on a flyrod, and it's a riot. You still have to have the right bait, and the right presentation to get them to eat. Anyone that says different should try it sometime, see how successful you are at "shooting fish in a barrel."
I cannot agree with this more. the first technique i considered myself to be good at was sight fishing. I think my average is about 1/35-40 fish spotted. Granted this is in a lake, but a spooked fish is a spooked fish whether it is in Mille Lacs or my bathtub.
On a lighter note, we need to cut this young man a break. I am sure we can all look back on moments in our past where we were looked at in a similar fashion. Empathy anyone???? |
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Location: Bemidji/Cass Lake | Wow. Nice pics Brandon. Ignore the comments here. They are just that. No respectable outdoorsman would ever rip on another for doing things the right way. These "guys" that type stuff like that DONT FISH. And if they do occasionally, it's a poor effort at best. Anybody who cares about education puts everything moving in a positive direction and will actually say something containing some value.
There is nothing wrong with sight fishing (if you even were). If you do post on these boards you will read the words "I assume...." over, and over, and over again. You'll come to realize what is worth reading based on who wrote it.
Muskie fishing has gotten easier over the last 10yrs or so. The fact that this has happened has attracted plenty of disrespectful lowlifes. A lot of these "guys" don't know anything about the sport, let alone the history, yet they somehow think they have to comment negatively on everything. They are only it for themselves. It's a tough sport to have as a hobby to begin with. You gotta be in a different state of mind than a normal angler. But like any other thing, people can find a way to wreck it.
Later
Sackett
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| There's more to this story . If you follow threads on one of the 5 message boards that he's currently working, our young angler tried to pass it off as some great fishing day "on Shabbona"--which it was not. He was hoping for lots of pats on the back. He even photoshopped pictures to make it appear that way. Now that he's exposed, he plays the "victim" card and trolls for sympathy.
What worries me is that here are people that are defending this type of behavior. I guess that's why we have so much trouble conserving musky fisheries. I hope it's because these people don't know the whole story.
Bottom line: this is not a "creek" it's a tiny spillway. The fish don't "live" there--they are swept in during periods of high water. They have no where to go and are basically trapped with limited food and oxygen. This is not like pursuing fish in their natural environment, where the fish have the advantage. It's completely different than "sight fishing" for bonefish or muskies in a lake or river, so to compare it to those situations is completely wrong.
What's more, these fish are supposed to be put back in the lake they came from. How is that supposed to happen if everyone jumps in and catches them and puts them at risk. I find it very ironic that this guy now wants to help move the fish back.
Maybe it's not illegal, but it seems pretty shady to me. And it's definitely not the story he tried to feed at first.
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Location: West Chicago, IL | Seabass, you took the words right out of my mouth. Most folks on this site haven't seen the other message boards and the "other" story he tried to pass off about how he figured out a pattern on the lake. Sorry, no sympathy here and I'm a really sympathetic guy. |
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| Reelwise - 9/25/2008 11:43 AM
For those interested in rescuing these fish: 11am on Saturday, September 27
Volunteers are needed! Please bring musky nets and long coolers.
Meet on shabbona grove road at the archery area by the bridge, which is below the dam.
and that is that.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Can I have 'the last word' here?
Word. 
I am in North Dakota, with no fishing rod. It's gonna be 80 degrees today. I'd fish in a water glass at this point. |
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