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| #1. What is a commercially available double 10 that I could pick up and use on shallow water, with wood and weeds? Bought one last winter that tended to run a little too heavy and deep that I was hoping was going to be good down south, but it just didn't work in most areas I hit. May have one coming but it may not get here before I leave.
#2. What is a really loud tail popper that runs true? I used an older top raider last two seasons, and it was great, but I was going to try something new. Rarely fish with anybody during surface bait time so just have not seen a lot to compare to. Used a rumbler last season too, kind of ho hum. Need something commercially available.
#3. Is it worth sniping Howie Myer's lakes up there in the early September period? I was looking at a map and I could hit 4-5 in a reasonable day. If I did this, would I want to plant a tracking device in his boat, or just paint a big X on the side when he was getting refreshments?
#4. Eagle River chain, Three Lakes chain, or Cisco chain for an interesting 12 hour day on the water?
#5. If I get on a couple of the smaller cisco lakes up there in early Sept, do I want to stay just out in the middle, on the contours, or do they tend to migrate into the shallows during this time period. I rarely fish anything like this and last couple of years have enjoyed new waters better than the tried and true.
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Hey FSF- I can answer a couple of them.
1. Jim Korducki @ Ducktail Lures makes a really nice double 10 size bucktail that's "keel" weighted with two single hooks. The keel weighting keeps the spinner from rolling and the hooks face up so they can run through tough cover. They also can be made weedless. I picked mine up at the Madison Fishing Expo this spring- runs great. The web site link below doesn't show the bigger ones with double 10 size blades. Call Jim, he'll custom make anything you want as far as sizes, colors, blades, etc. Mine measures 11" from the line tie to the tip of the tail and has one silver & one gold blade (fluted)- great flash!
http://www.ducktaillures.com/weedwarriorbucktail.shtml
2. For a lot of noise you might want to try the "Sputterduck" ->
http://www.ducktaillures.com/sputterduck.shtml
3. That all depends on your goal, sniping Howies lakes would be pretty difficult, i.e., he fishes a lot of lakes. I would fish one lake or a couple of lakes seriously for a week. They would be Crab or PI. Two entirely different waters. PI is a bitch to launch in by yourself with strong west winds. Crab is downright hazardous to your prop & lower unit- Definitely not a lake to zip around on- in fact I wouldn't go above idle speed.
Re. tracking device or big white X- I'd steer clear of that, just ask him. He get's a might testy about people following him.
4- Never fished them.
5. I don't think the cisco's would be shallow in the day time. I'd probably be looking at water temp's at 20-40' depth, i.e., finding the cisco's at their preferred temp/depth. However, I'd ask Howie or Adam Johnson at Skyview Lodge, I'm sure either would be happy to help you out - even mark your maps.
Have fun!
Al | |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | DC10 on the double 10, like how mine runs nice and high if I want it to.
I'm still using the Rumbler. last night Sue was running a Top Raider, and it was almost exactly the same as the Rumbler, just a slower pop at the same reeling speed.
The Muskies up here are exactly where they should be this time of the year, with weed edges and deep weed and shallow boulders/rock on clear water and the slop and stones on the dark water. Should be consistent except for the suspended bite(cisco, baitfish)
Three Lakes Chain. neat place, good fish, and good numbers. | |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Any Joe Bucher topwaters and about any double #10s are working from what I am hearing. | |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | 1. check your equipment but you should be able to make most ride high
2. lee's chopper
3. if howie's on the water it's probably a good idea
4. three lakes chain is very nice aesthetically
5. deep inside turns ... find the structure nearest to deep water and fish between around and upside down ...
good luck .. turnover is gonna go fast this year ... waters never really heated up. | |
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Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI |
1. I can usually keep my DC's high enough, just add speed which has been the ticket on blades up here lately anyway.
2. My favs are Pacemakers and Lee's Chopper.
3. I already have a tracking device in Howie's boat, PM me for the frequency to input into GPS.
4. I'd go with the Cisco Chain, haven't fished it in years and miss it. The other 2 would probably give up more fish, though.
5. If the water has started to cool be then you should see a strong shallow water bite. I've bombed while rowtrolling in September, and several other rowers, including Gelb, have told me the same thing.
Hope this helps.
JS | |
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| 1. Troy Schoonovers "Dinnerbell" is about the lightest double 10 I fish with -- he uses the thinner blades and the thinner wire, so you can work it pretty much on the surface if you want.
2. Second Lee's Chopper
3. If you call Howie, he'll probably give you more accurate advice than anyone here can. He really is a nice guy, contrary to the stories you may have heard. 
4. Can't answer that for you
5. That would be a question Howie could answer as well
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| J.Sloan - 8/20/2008 8:38 AM
1. I can usually keep my DC's high enough, just add speed which has been the ticket on blades up here lately anyway.
2. My favs are Pacemakers and Lee's Chopper.
3. I already have a tracking device in Howie's boat, PM me for the frequency to input into GPS.
4. I'd go with the Cisco Chain, haven't fished it in years and miss it. The other 2 would probably give up more fish, though.
5. If the water has started to cool be then you should see a strong shallow water bite. I've bombed while rowtrolling in September, and several other rowers, including Gelb, have told me the same thing.
Hope this helps.
JS
#1 Voting seems headed toward DC 10? Is that available at R&H's? I plan on making my brother in law throw it, he is more of a man than I am, but I don't want to keep going in to pull it out of something or off of something all the time.
#2 Lee's Chopper? Sounds like a consensus choice! I have owned a pacemaker and was so disenchanted I took it back to R&H's and LOL, they gave me a trade for full value. I never did get it to tune where it would start or stay running on the retrieve. Liked the sound when it worked, but... I see now they are in plastic and hopefully the tuning problem is resolved. Interesting sound concept if it is working reliably.
#3 I knew the talent on this board could be tapped into, somebody always has figured it out before you get there if you just know who or what to ask! I will have the camo paint job put on my boat before getting up there. Do I need my headset with the rabbit ears, or can I piggyback it into my own GPS?
#4 Three Lakes is starting to take on weight, but does the Cisco Chain have it's weeds back. I had always heard about them and they were always kind of interesting sounding.
#5 I think my deepest fish in the last two seasons might have been located in 8 feet. I like to see em bite, but people have been putting a bug in my ear about some smaller clear water, deep basins, and a trout lake up there, and I am going to have more time than normal. I am just wondering if the fish on such lakes come up on the weedline there might be, or if they stay deep pretty much until low light. | |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | #1 - Take your pick. Reel them fairly fast and they all stay up. Spanky Baits are what I throw.
#2 - Lee Lure Chopper
#3 - Definitely worth it!
#4 - Cisco Chain, but I would get the MI license so that you could hit those waters. A better chance at a true brute than the other two. There is a reason Herbie spent so much time there.
#5 - Mid Lake! It interests me that the row trollers haven't done good at this time as we have casting. Don't think too deep in the water column all the time, but make sure you check deep with Joe's. If mid lake isn't happening hit the deep humps and deep breaks (20'). Some good night fishing to be had as well. | |
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| I NEVER think deep. And I NEVER rowtroll, though I could be talked into it really easy if I had a boat and lake available.
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Location: Pelican Lake/Three Lakes Chain | I was going to respond but then I saw the disclaimer.."educated masses."  | |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | went to stout and weigh 225lbs. so got schoolin' and plenty of weight.
here's another recommendation ... between jason, travis and norm you've got three very good guides for where you are going helping you right here on the site. imagine the help they might be if you hire them and jump in for a day?
oh ... and a favorite september chain of mine in the area is the sugarcamp chain. it's worth spending some time on too.
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Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI | Should've mentioned:
If you have the means, hire Howie. The stories alone are worth the money, not to mention he's forgotten more about muskie fishing than I'll ever know. I do know more about hunting in Montana and installing hardwood floors than he does.
Like Travis said, get a MI license if you do the Cisco Chain. Very scenic area.
JS
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| nwild - 8/20/2008 2:52 PM
I was going to respond but then I saw the disclaimer.."educated masses." :-(
(Norm, I was just being kind, you know this bunch as well as I do, did you think I was serious? I was just stroking them to get tips! You know what they say, any club that would let us join, can't be much of a club!)
BTW Norm, I also have a fishing hotspots map of Pelican now, no tellin what kinda damage I can do with that thing.
Probably the water I would hop on and off of will be small enough to fish the prime off it, and make a couple rounds in pretty short order. I usually fish one big lake, but starting to enjoy working some of the smaller lakes up there, last year due to neccessity and low water on my main body of water, but this year it will be by choice. However when I am fishing, if things are going well, and sometimes they have gone very well up there, I might stay on my main body of water the whole time. | |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | I know you like the first 6' of water, but don't overlook getting down deep. I know, confusing since I mentioned don't go deep all the time. Let the fish tell you where you need to be. Don't be stubborn and stay in the upper 10' if nothing is happening. Running Joe's on some deep humps (20'+) on those clear cisco waters can be good!
Doesn't sound like you are interested in a guide, but as lots here mentioned check out Howie if you can. If another chain in that area tickles your fancy I may be able to help.
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| jonnysled - 8/20/2008 2:59 PM
went to stout and weigh 225lbs. so got schoolin' and plenty of weight.
here's another recommendation ... between jason, travis and norm you've got three very good guides for where you are going helping you right here on the site. imagine the help they might be if you hire them and jump in for a day?
oh ... and a favorite september chain of mine in the area is the sugarcamp chain. it's worth spending some time on too.
 I had to read this twice before I got it, it was the Stout reference that threw me off, I'll have to let Norm know you might be playin out of our league!! When you get your degree at Point, you only think of stout in two ways, another kind of beer, or the main type of female available on campus, ie She was kinda Stout!
I had never even contemplated the Sugarcamp. I will have to do some map study. Hadn't even thought of that one. | |
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Location: Warroad, Mn | FSF: Really you should head futher north! Get some DCG's and a 7000 to pull them, reel faster if you want them to go shallow. Rumblers work, but so do lots of other tail spinners. The Ducktail sputterduck is a great lure, caught lots of fish and some big ones on it. Don't know much about the rest of the stuff although I once fished the Cisco Chain and caught a couple of fish so it must be pretty good if I can catch them. Nice area. See you in February! Doug Johnson | |
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| dougj - 8/20/2008 8:25 PM
FSF: Really you should head futher north! Get some DCG's and a 7000 to pull them, reel faster if you want them to go shallow. Rumblers work, but so do lots of other tail spinners. The Ducktail sputterduck is a great lure, caught lots of fish and some big ones on it. Don't know much about the rest of the stuff although I once fished the Cisco Chain and caught a couple of fish so it must be pretty good if I can catch them. Nice area. See you in February! Doug Johnson
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Location: minocqua, wi. | at stout we had a great deal of respect for the two other great party schools of lacrosse and point ... they got lots of national credit at mad-town but i'm not sure the naked beer sliders could have performed there like they could at the others ... oh the days from the spot, marion and tap ... lol.
where the men are men and the women are too and the sheep run fast but they're cute ... | |
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| #4 - don't bother with the three lakes chain right now! It's about 400 feet out my back door and I'm traveling elsewhere to fish. It's been off all year, last wknd 130+ fisherman put 14 fish on the board during the three days of the Alliance Tourney, and our musky league managed only 23 fish in 12 weeks with 36 guys each night chasing them. BRUTAL! It still has its moments but they are very short and far apart. Good Luck. | |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | FSF,
Remember, you are only an hour away from the Hideout...and the last time you didn't fish with me, we pounded 'em that day! | |
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| I have notified Sworrall of my specific needs and requests in order to fish with him, including but not limited to, multiple large dumb hungry fish, preferrably held in the area by netting that won't show up in the photos, as I go through numerous wardrobe changes and we change the boat angles.
Haven't told him about the stratolounger on the back deck, the mixed drinks I will need, and the scantily clad female steadily fanning me on hot afternoons, as I cast. I am thinkin it will be best to mention those shortly before we leave for the lake. I know he can pull things together quickly, and I wouldn't want him to fret before hand. Also my two brother-in-laws, in their more lucid moments, liked to fish a shoreline area with docks, on a lake near Hayward, called Pink Bikini. I think it would be nice for Sworrall to take me by a spot like that about once every 1/2 hour or so, if the fishing is slow. Scenery and all, you know.
Idiot caster available. Just PM me and we'll make plans and go. Otherwise we'll have to wait until you come down to KY or TN. | |
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OK, I'm headed north next week and here's what I need from the educated masses...