location in the column

Posted 5/18/2002 7:43 AM (#5986)
Subject: location in the column


I have another thread about using leadcore or wire to troll for the bigguns in deep clear lakes. My question here is, is it really necessary to be going that deep? For those that fish suspended quite a bit, is a lure that runs 8-10 feet been successful enough? I have heard lots about shallow presentations or even topwater success in depths of 30+. Should I not worry about using these "deep lines" and just keep trolling with my 80# Tuff Line? Other than the obvious "hooks" and baitfish clouds on the sonar, what makes you want to fish shallow or deep in the water column in a deep suspended situation?

thx again.

Posted 5/18/2002 10:46 AM (#33004)
Subject: location in the column


Greg, I fish from 1 ft down to 30+ and with the same rod/reel and line. I use different lures to get the different depths. Now like it has been told many times before a muskie has eyes on top of it's head so you are better off having your lures to high then to low. If you look at the lenght of your boat, thats just a couple of swing of a tail for a muskie to swim 18' up to eat a lure, a lure placed 12 ft down over 30' of water can attrack fish from the 12' mark all the way down to the bottom and a lure down 20' will only attract fish between 20' and 30'. Sure there are times when bottom bouncing will work best but overall a lure running down 12' to 15' over 30' is the best producer.

If I was you I would experiment with lures first and then once you really get into trolling and want to do a lot of it you may want to invest in different trolling outfits with leadcore and wire lines. I just find it's more work then it is worth I like to keep it simple. [:sun:]

Posted 5/19/2002 4:15 AM (#33005)
Subject: location in the column


Thx Richard, appreciate the reply, I will keep using the set-ups I have. My next question is as you start drifting or trolling across that deep clear water basin, you have yet to mark bait fish or "hooks". What makes you throw or drag a 6" Slammer/shallow raider type, or a depthraider/Ernie type bait? Is it the sun, time of day? I guess what I am asking is what conditions dictate where the fish will be in the column, shallow or deep? Thx much.

p.s. I have done very little suspended casting in the past, when I did, I would always be thinking deep and use a deep runner. I'm not sure if I was too deep or not, never had the confidence to stick with it. Thx again, greatly appreciated.[:bigsmile:]

Posted 5/19/2002 8:16 AM (#33006)
Subject: location in the column


Greg, basicly it is an experience thing. Many factors will come at hand here but first and foremost it is what worked yesterday or what worked with the same conditions last week or last year.

We all had to start somewhere, you try something and if it works you keep doing it and if it does not you try something else, it's that simple but don't give up after only a few hours trying. I tell all my clients that come and fish with me in the fall for pigs that it takes time and we may not catch many fish but they will be big ones, and still by 2 pm they start to lose faith as we are still doing what didn't work that morning but my gut tells me it is going to work and it does most times before the day is over.

It is the same thing with colors, you will find some colors are better on clear days and others on cloudy ones. Well lures are the same, well you are looking more at speed and action then style. Like a depth raider is a tight wiggle fast and deep and a believer is more of a large wobble and shallow on first setting.

Now trolling with more the one rod will allow you to experiment a little. Always run different lures types and colors until you develop a pattern and then you can stick with it on multiple rods. I still experiment with different lures and colors but once I get onto a pattern I will come out the next day with the same one and so on day after day till it does not work no more. The only thing that will make me want to experiment with another pattern is a major change in the weather like a major cold front.

Hope this helps and good luck out there. [:sun:]