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Location: Tomahawk, Wisconsin | Just got off the phone with my bro, sounds like they caught a fish worth talking about; like 56.5 inches of Wisconsin strain Fathead!!!!!!!!!!!!!! More info to follow.......... That record across the border is gonna fall!!!!! |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | That's a biggin! Can't wait to hear more about it. Thanks for sharing Dave! |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Steve boated some monsters last year! If he is on the mid 50s already I can't wait to hear what he gets this fall!!
Making me want to blow the dust off the wallet and go buy some "Stevie" time on the big pond!
Way to go Jonesi!
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Me: tell me you have pictures
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Location: Ogden, Ut | lambeau - 7/16/2008 8:27 PM
incredible!
great guy great guide.
For sure!
Congrats to ya Steve!
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Location: minocqua, wi. | woo hoo .... if anyone deserves the monster it's you steveo! |
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Location: Tomahawk, Wisconsin | The client to be named later caught the beast, Minnesota................what a great place to let WISCONSIN STRAIN fish grow long and fat!!:) |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Muskydr - 7/16/2008 9:38 PM
Minnesota................what a great place to let WISCONSIN STRAIN fish grow long and fat!!:)
That's funny, in a good way!
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Location: Brainerd, Minnesota | Just called Steve and talked to him very briefly as he was still out with clients. First thing he said when he answered was "it's true"! Client caught the fish, which is exactly the way Steve wants it. I know that Steve has been working his tail off up here on Mille Lacs. That boat deserves a big one, and got it. Congrats to Steve, and to a very happy fisherman I'm sure.
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Big Fish Hunt Guide Service
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Location: minocqua, wi. | isn't there a genetic problem with the wisconsin strain musky? |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | jonnysled - 7/16/2008 9:57 PM
isn't there a genetic problem with the wisconsin strain musky?
That's what I thought Sled. |
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Location: oswego, il | There is, when they leave the state they seem to establish some sort of eating disorder! 
Steve, congrats on guiding your client to the fish of a lifetime! |
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Location: MN | Steve is the man!! Great work by both guide and angler!!! |
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Location: Twin Cities | Woohoo! Can't wait to see pics, I've got a bunch of dates booked with him later in the summer and fall....<big grin> |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Wow, sweet fish Steve can't wait to hear all about it. Muskydr - 7/16/2008 10:38 PM The client to be named later caught the beast, Minnesota................what a great place to let WISCONSIN STRAIN fish grow long and fat!!:) I'm pretty sure those Wisco-looking fish are from Iowa. The Iowa fish are a genetic mutt (Mississippi, Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.) which causes them to grow very well in a variety of lake types and locations. |
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| Way to go Steve. Good things happen to good people.
A client caught it? I guess we are finally going to put that thread to bed about whether it counts or not!
I can't wait to see the pictures.
Congratulations Steve,
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Congrats to the lucky angler. |
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| Congrats to the both of you! 56.5???? thats HUGE!!!!!!!! |
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| wow, awesome. way to go SJ
Cant wait to see pics of that pig!!
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Location: Algonquin, ILL | Watch out Louie, Steve is on your tail
MUSKIE PORN I WANT TO SEE THE MUSKIE PORN !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Location: Downers Grove, IL | Spoke with Steve again this morning. He cant download any pictures at the Pond so he took a picture of the his camera screen with his cell phone.
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| look how frickin' long that thing is!! freak! |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Which one is Steve? Can't tell with that guy smiling so much!! What a beast! |
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Location: Madison, WI | HOLY! I think Steve's smile is bigger than the fish.. Nice work gents. |
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Location: Algonquin, ILL | That thing looks like a Cruise Missile, Can't wait to hear the details.
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Location: Watertown, MN | Congrats on the monster, I have heard things have been tough but that should make up for it.
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Location: Delavan, WI | Congrats to both Steve, and the lucky client as well!!!
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congrats.
keep it going man.
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Location: New Berlin,Wisconsin,53151 | Wow and to think I spent 2 weeks at Cass Lake with you and we couldn't catch a cold. Great job on another rock'n pig, you da man fur sure..............
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Great fish. |
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| Way to go Nukka! You da man! 5hrs and counting and we'll be rockin the pond!
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | that is a true giant! congrats! |
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| Don't suppose there were a few "Duuuuuuuude!"s said in the boat, do ya??
Awesome fish, congrats to both! |
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Location: north central wisconsin | Awesome fish dude. Heck, I'll even celebrate for that one tonight! Boils the blood for vacation next week! 08', year of the beasts so far!! |
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Location: Not where I wanna be! | sheesh! that thing is huge!!!
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| WOW, can't wait to see the actual pic, it looks... and is huge though. Nice job Steve and client. |
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Location: Lake Geneva, WI | Congrats!! that is a monster! |
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Location: Browerville, Minnesota | Just awesome!!!!! Can't wait til the 16th of Sept when I hope that Steve can put me onto one of them big girls!!!! Great job Steve. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Great fish, Steve, congratulations to you and your client...MONSTER! |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Way to go Steve! The only reason I would come to MN to fish would be to hire you for a day or two! |
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Location: Wheeling, IL. | Way to go Steve. Save some of that for Sept. when I am up there. |
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| Congrats to Steve and the lucky angler,awsome fish!Keep up the good work! |
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| Wicked AWESOME Jonesi! Congrats to your client and you! |
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| Is it just me or is that fish only 56 1/4 HAHA
Just kidding. UNREAL, Congrats!
1 day I hope to even look at something that enormous. |
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Location: Waukesha, WI | Jason Bomber - 7/17/2008 1:46 PM
Is it just me or is that fish only 56 1/4 HAHA
not just you. It looks like a fat 50 1/4 that they are having a tug-o-war stretching to claimed size.
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Location: Omaha, Nebraska | Woah that is a BIG Fish!!! Looks like either Steve or the fish may be bleeding from the battle of tug of war |
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| Wow. First, have to congratulate Charlie Carpenter for catching the fish. He has worked his butt off this week and was rewarded nicely for his effort. This has been the toughest start to a season I can remember. Lots of small fish and follows/near misses but the big fish have been playing Houdini. Not this one. Moonrise was at 8:42 last evening and the sunset was within 1/2 hour of that. The fish ate the Black/Red Double Cowgirl inside that window. She ate at the end of a cast and came completly out of the water twice. Fish thought it was a tarpon. The fish had totally engulfed the bait but no surgery was needed thanks to the HookPick. Great tool that saves fish. She swam away strong with several witnesses. Thanks for all the kind words guys and remember, "Ya never know". Hope to have some better pics up soon. Again, congrats Charlie and Dave, you guys ROCK! Steve |
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Location: Waconia, MN | Way to go Charlie, and you picked a great guy to put ya on a fish of a life time! I Hope we get to hear the whole story, and see more pics! I'll be on the pond this weekend!!!!!
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Location: Tomahawk, Wisconsin | guest you make me laugh, I thought the fish that Luke caught had a deformity...... like a third eye!! Keep it real nukka!! Luke R. catches a whole lot of beasts and is one super guy, there are more than 1 fish of that caliber don't you think swimming in da Pond even in the same area or maybe I'm way off base and they just boated the biggest fish in the system............ not
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| Congrats Jonesi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 weeks ago, Rick Lax and Jason Hamernick raised that fish on two seperate days in the exact same spot, but she would not eat..... Great to hear you stuck her, Way to go Steve(and client).......... |
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Location: Land of the Musky | I heard some Jr. High girls caught it the day before but threw it back because it was not big enough.
Jonesi is da man! Can't wait to see more pics of da beast.
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Location: syracuse indiana | congrats steve.. wow waht a pig.. wish we had big girls like that here in hoosier land.....bill |
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Location: nappanee IN | it's ok steve, maybe some day you'll catch a big fish, but if that's all you can catch for now don't worry , it'll get better..karol |
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| Sorry Will but there were no Mississippi or Michigan Muskies in the Iowa Great Lakes when those Iowa Muskies went into Mille Lacs.
Congrats Jonesi. You deserved that fishy. |
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Location: Iowa | Nice fish Steve...that thing is freaking long...congrats to you and the angler...
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Location: Warroad, Mn | Steve: Great fish! Can't wait to hear the details at Operation Muskie. Thanks for taking off the time on the big pond to guide some Vets. Doug Johnson |
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Location: Minn. | I can't wait to catch a fish that big with Steve in Sept., even tho it won't count.LOL |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Wow, that this is CRAZY long! Way to go.
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Guest - 7/17/2008 8:39 PM Sorry Will but there were no Mississippi or Michigan Muskies in the Iowa Great Lakes when those Iowa Muskies went into Mille Lacs. Congrats Jonesi. You deserved that fishy. Thanks guest... That is true about the Michigan fish because none were sent over there until the late 90's (the Michgian are just WI fish). I would have to check again about the Mississippi/Leech strain though, I was pretty sure those got into the mix in the 70's. Shoot me an e-mail or pm so we don't hijack this thread. |
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Location: Des Moines IA | Great job Steve. Many more to you and all the Minnesota guides!!!!
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Location: Kodiak, AK | Dang Sled, how come you didn't say anything about this today on the phone?
Awesome Steve and client! Well done boys. Makes me all the more anxious for my Sept 8 day with Steve. Looking forward to actual pics.
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | Most of you know Steve as a person and guide. He knows the spots and details that can put fish in the boat. Small windows are the norm on that body of water. Being in the exact spot when its that time is a good guides job. I saw Steve all week up there and he bounced all around but always seemed to come back to a couple sweet spots when it was prime time. I just left the area where he got that monster. We figured we would go after a low fiftys we had up twice before on another spot. We did have up another bigger fish but not the one we knew was there. We did get a fish over fifty that night but not like Steves client.
Congrats Bro, you work very hard for your clients and deserve all the credit for pounding like a GREAT GUIDE does.
For all of you that doesn't know how it is fishing on that pond I will explain one of the days that are more the norm than not.
Get on the water around 9am fish until 5 or 6 and eat something somewhere. Back to fishing until midnight or later. If the fish are going you take a two hour nap and hit it at first light until 10am or so. Take a nap till 5pm and hit it till who knows when, take a nap and keep it going. Thats the life of a serious fishermen or guide. Long hours on the water and short naps off the water. TOUGH LIFE!!!
I give the big water guides lots of credit. You beat up your equipment every day and never get caught up on sleep. A tuff way to make a living. I know Steve and he is one of those guides that will give you your moneys worth. Those two clients of his had to be tired after 5 straight days of pounding. I know I was.
Another plug for Steve-That boy has a great memory, he knows the spots to fish. Every spot I talked to him about he knew everything about it. The man knows how to read water, weather and moon phases. This is why he can put big fish in the boat. All he needs is clients that can pound...... |
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Location: Washington, PA | Jonesi,
U Da MAN |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Wow!
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | a beautiful fish and congrats on the catch!
out of curiosity, now that a clear pic is available, those of you who have definitively proclaimed this to be a wisco still feel that way and how do you know that?
Thanks,
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Location: The desert | What a dink! |
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Location: East Troy, WI | the tail is freaking HUGE |
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Muskydr, ToddM, MercKid, Jonnysled....none of you can help me out? You all have made comments here or elsewhere about WI fish in Mille Lacs. I'd like to know how you can tell that this fish is a wisco? I fish Mille Lacs and I know there are supposed to be different types in there. I'm not sure how to tell the difference so I'd like to learn what to look for.
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the fish that steve's client caught last year was suggested to be a wisconsin strain original stocking. it was discussed by many and my input was only conjecture.
the whole thing i've spoken toward all these years is that fish grow based on where they live and that the forage of a mille lac or vermillion isn't matched in wisconsin where the south-of-the-border folks claim "there are no big fish in wisconsin" ... green bay shows otherwise and logically so.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I believe the Wisconsin strain fish used on Mille Lacs were discussed at length on the research board awhile back, I'll look for the link.
Sure, that could be a Wisconsin Strain fish. It could also be a Spot. I've seen that coloration and pattern on both, variations abound. |
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The small spots on the tail end of that fish look an awful lot like the big girls you find in Cass and Leech.
Hard to tell, but appears like spots are on the gill plates and head area.
Is that common on WI fish?
If I had to guess, I'd say that fish has the characteristics of a Leech fish more than a WI.
Wish a guy could find out for sure.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Post by Cory Painter on the Research Board:
Got this from a source at the WI DNR. Very interesting Info I thought I would Share.
Minnesota’s Musky Stocking Program Timeline
(Source: Jerry Younk, Minnesota DNR Research Biologist and Statewide Musky Program Leader)
1982: MDNR is pressured to stop using Shoepack fish.
1982: MDNR stocks Leech Lake fish into several new lakes (no muskies
previously) for use as future sources of broodstock. These include Plantaganette, Little Wolf, Elk, Owasso (not used now), Rebecca, Pleasant, and Island (used only as a back-up).
1982-1987: MDNR stocks Wisconsin-source fish in many waters, including Mille Lacs during 1984-1987, as Leech Lake fish grow and mature in broodstock lakes.
1989: MDNR starts stocking Leech Lake strain fish exclusively throughout the State of Minnesota.
1990: Final year of evaluation of strain stocking study in Lake Waconia, Minnesota. Results confirm that Leech Lake and LCO strains are superior to Shoepack.
1996-1998: MDNR biologists age and tag adult muskies in 132,500-acre Mille Lacs.
1999-2005: MDNR biologists document reports of tagged fish that are caught, harvested, or found dead in Mille Lacs.
Mille Lacs Musky Tagging Study Results
(Source: Rick Bruesewitz, MDNR Treaty Assessment Biologist at Mille Lacs)
Stocked Year Class Source of Stocked Muskies Number Stocked Number Tagged
by MDNR 1996-1998**
1984 Wisconsin 3,250 12
1985 “ 4,300 9
1986 “ 2,000 7
1987 “ 4,400 32
1988 Leech Lake 0 in 1988* 6
1989 “ ? 19
1990 “ ? 2
1991 “ ? 4
1992 “ ? 1
1993 “ ? 3
1994 “ ? 1
* Even though no muskies were stocked in 1988, a few yearling fish of the Leech Lake strain were stocked in 1989 that belonged to the 1988 year class.
** Includes only those tagged fish that have been reported since 1998 as caught & released, harvested, or found dead.
Interpretation and Summary
(Dave Neuswanger, Fisheries Team Leader, Upper Chippewa Basin, Wisconsin DNR, Hayward)
Ø Of the 96 fish recaptured to date (as of 2005) in this study, 60 of them
(62.5%) were fish from Wisconsin, stocked during 1984-1987.
Ø Of the 13 tagged fish reported since 1998 that were over 50 inches long
when reported, ALL of them have been Wisconsin-source fish (Kalepps Fish Farm, which got its broodstock from north central Wisconsin lakes and
hatcheries) stocked during 1984-1987. The biggest was a female 54.9 inches long and 16 years of age.
Ø Of those 13 fish over 50 inches long, 5 (38%) had been harvested by
anglers.
Ø Of those 13 fish over 50 inches long, 2 (15%) were found dead >2 years
after being tagged.
Ø Of the 26 tagged fish reported since 1998 that were 45-50 inches long when
reported, 19 of them (73%) have been Wisconsin-source fish stocked during 1984-1987.
Ø Many Leech Lake strain muskies are now of trophy size in Mille Lacs. They
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Thanks for the info Steve. That is cool to see but still does not definitively say anything about this fish so anyone saying in this thread what this fish is....they are only guessing. Without a tag, no one can say for sure one way or the other. The info above just says some of them are wiscos and some are leechers. As the fishery ages, it will be interesting to see how the size structure holds up. to my eye this fish does not look like a wisco fish, it looks like a leecher. Without a tag or an accurate age measurement, its all a guess. I do have a fish of this size, heck look at Lambeau's from this year...to me this fish looks more like that. For comparison, I'd love to see pics from guys who have north central WI fish that look like this fish. Please send them to me!
If I am reading that info correctly, based on the number of tags reported above, it's interesting to note that the wisco fish were tagged almost 2:1 (60 wisco: 36 leecher) over subsequent stocks of Leechers so you are not starting with equal sample sizes. That would skew this just a bit don't you think?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I'm not sure what is skewed. I think the idea was to track the fish overall, mortality/harvest/etc rates, not a comparison of strain's potential since the MNDNR went to 100% Leech lake fish in '88. The data shows a predictable timeline to recapture, IMHO, and indicates both strains reached trophy size in Mille Lacs. |
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Yes Steve I agree with you about the "both" having potential and I wasn't calling the study into question.
My point is that if you just look at the total of tagged recaps without looking at total breakdown of tagged fish, some will jump to the conclusion that most if not all of the big ones are wiscos without due respect to number of tags and age/time in this system. Some of WI fish are indeed big but not all trophy specimens are from WI sources. There are people out there who like to say that all the big ones are wiscos to support the notion that genetics is not a factor. In this case indeed WI fish get big too but that doesn't prove 100% that any WI source will do the same.
It will be interesting to see in another 10 years what is happening out there when all these WI fish from the initial stocking are dead.
Just fun with numbers Steve. This thread started like there was some definitive evidence to prove the fish's source. I've seen a few big WI pigs from ML and they look nothing like this one.
Have a good one and thanks again.
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I wonder how Wisco or MN guys wouldn't want to catch it because it doesn't have the right bloodlines?? I can see it now, "holy #$%sniiiikeees Billy look at that 55 following my DCG, ..........boat partner, "figure eight, figure eight!!!! Nah, I don't want it, it isn't a LL strain.........." |
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The fact that there are two "different strains" of fish in Mille Lacs is interesting on many levels.
It has nothing to do with bragging rights about which state grows bigger fish.
It has more to do with growing trophy fish, and the best way/plan to do that.
When people say it's one or the other, it begs the question why that conclusion was made.
There is a lot to be learned out of what is happening in Mille Lacs. Is what we are seeing genetics or environment? Is one strain really getting bigger than the other, or is it going both ways?
If you're into muskies, than why wouldn't you be interested in these things?
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Location: minocqua, wi. | john is right. there has been so much conjecture about the subject to the point of criminalizing people and organizations. it's something worth knowing and will hopefully bring more people together in developing fisheries for the future. a lot of people will speak for you if you let them which is precisely what's gone on in the argument of the past few years. fact in nature is a whole lot more convincing than the witch hunting that's been going on in this debate ... and both sides of the arguments would benefit if they could come off of the absolutes they've both put out there without substantive knowledge which this could bring to light.
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | What most people don't know is that our chapter supposedly had the stocking truck "accidentally" tip-over" from time-to-time while driving by Mille Lac from our rearing pond around 30+ years ago. There were also fish in there before then too. There's been fish in that lake for a while and they've been getting it on successfully too. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Sled,
My 'side' of the argument has been that there ARE no 'absolutes', that real scientific study is underway, and that the 'reality' that's right there in front of all of us in Mille Lacs tracking both strains bears that out. Hardly a 'witch hunt' position, IMHO. |
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Location: Otsego, MN | Muskie Treats - 7/31/2008 11:51 AM
What most people don't know is that our chapter supposedly had the stocking truck "accidentally" tip-over" from time-to-time while driving by Mille Lac from our rearing pond around 30+ years ago. There were also fish in there before then too. There's been fish in that lake for a while and they've been getting it on successfully too.
I think you should be tipping that truck over more often just head north and drive that truck right into Gull Lake! |
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Location: Twin Cities | I saw what is thought to be this fish the last two days.....#*^@ is all I can say. |
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