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Location: Montreal, QC | I heard a lot of guys, who called themselves "musky fishermen", saying that they "caught" fishes when they were on a guided trip and it make me wonder what you guys are thinking of a "guided fish"?
Isn't a bit like saying that you had a good night when, in fact, you hire a hooker (i mean... not the lure)? You paid a professional to do it. Another example, you were on a trip to Mexico and take a charter. You happen to reel in a swordfish. Would you call yourself a "swordfish fisherman"?
A guide literally do most of the job for you: driving his costly boat to the right locations and showing you the appropriates technics for the body of water you were on at this time of the year. For me, a "guided fish" is something nice and fun to have, but nothing to be proud of, as i don't feel like i earn it... |
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Location: Madison, WI | if counting fish means that much to you, you're doing this for the wrong reasons.... imho. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Lots of very accomplished anglers hire guides to learn the area or new techniques. Who really cares, anyway, when it gets right down to it, a nice fish caught when guided is still a nice fish. |
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| If the fish is caught trolling I think the argument might be able to be made, although I still don't agree, but if the fish was caught casting I don't see any merit to the argument.
Can you "count" the fish that you caught because you heard someone say that the fish on lake X were snapping? You went there because of other's advice so you really didn't do all the work according to you. What about using a lure that you read about on the internet or were suggested by a salesman? Again you used other people's advice so you didn't do all the work.
Personally it kind of sounds like someone has a bone to pick especially by the "costly boat" comment. |
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Location: Montreal, QC | Magruter - 7/8/2008 3:54 PM
if counting fish means that much to you, you're doing this for the wrong reasons.... imho.
I think you understand it the wrong way: by counting, I don't mean the numbers, i mean something to be proud of, cause it take a lot of work, time, effort and patience... |
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| its who is on the rod reeling and fighting. makes sense to me. guides work hard for their clients. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | I get a kick out of questions like this...Saumon...let's say you fish with a buddy, you are fishing in his boat, out of the back or front for that matter if he let's you fish up there and runs it from the back..you catch a nice fish, are you being "guided"...? you aren't paying him...but you weren't running the boat and maybe even fishing in front...to some extent we ALL our "guided" at times..unless we only fish solo and never fish out of someone else's boat...I have hired guides in the past and heck ya I'm proud of the fish I caught with them, I still had to make the right bait choice, the right cast, work the bait the right way, get the fish to hit and get it in the net...I now take quite a few guys out and let them fish in the front..and I hope that the fish they catch with me in the front while I'm playing "guide" they are proud of...good friend got a 51.5"er last August in the first 2 hours into our trip in the front of my boat while I ran it from the back...do you think he's proud...heck ya.
go fish.
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Location: Montreal, QC | reelman - 7/8/2008 4:03 PM
Personally it kind of sounds like someone has a bone to pick especially by the "costly boat" comment.
Not at all. I have tremendous respect for the guides themselves. They do a very hard work: rain or shine, sometimes with peoples you don't really have fun with, chasing an elusive fish...The only question i'm asking is: for you, does a fish caught with a guide has the same value than one you caught by yourself? |
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Location: Montreal, QC | MSKY HNR - 7/8/2008 4:09 PM
I get a kick out of questions like this...Saumon...let's say you fish with a buddy, you are fishing in his boat, out of the back or front for that matter if he let's you fish up there and runs it from the back..you catch a nice fish, are you being "guided"...? you aren't paying him...but you weren't running the boat and maybe even fishing in front...to some extent we ALL our "guided" at times..unless we only fish solo and never fish out of someone else's boat...
That's exactly why i'm asking this. When i sometime fish in friends boat and happen to catch something, i say "he put me on this fish". But the most memorable ones, although not necessarily the bigger ones, were thoses caught when fishing alone, wich happen half of the time. |
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Location: deep in the slop | i have to agree with brad. furthermore i would say it is a pretty safe bet that 99.9% of us are "guided" from the beginning. what i mean by this is very few if any people just go pick up a musky rod and learn it all for themselves. many of us get into the sport from word of mouth, whether it be a family member or a good friend. these people who get us into muskies are also the ones laying the footprint of our techniques. when we first get into it, we go back to those spots that were shown because it is most of what we know. they are the ones showing us lures, depths, desired structure and so on. i guess that what i am getting at is, if you fall into this catagory, are not all the fish essentially "guided." there are a couple of guides that i fish with in vilas county. i am not their client but their friend. last year i gave one a tip of action i was having on a specific spot every night. he drove the boat that night and i got a upper 30 lber at the end of the feeding window. one of the most special moments in my life.
so i guess after my rant is all said and done. they are equally as valuable. whether it was a fish i was "guided" to or caught on my own, i get the same rush either way. |
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| I've never hired a guide but I would assume that if I am paying to catch fish I would enjoy learning new stuff, and count every fish I catch and be proud of it.
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| Count for what?!?
"i mean something to be proud of, cause it take a lot of work, time, effort and patience..."
That sounds like a pretty subjective standard, and only one that you can set individually. So "count" it however you want, eh? |
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| What if you fish a lake that you once fished with a guide? Does that make any fish you caught "count less" because they came from a spot or on a presentation that guide told you about? Does it "count less" catching a fish on a cowgirl because you heard about them from someone else than it would if you just stumbled on one in a tackle store and thought "wow, that looks like a cool lure..." Does it count less catching a muskie on a lake you heard about from someone else vs a lake you decided to try in case there might be muskies in it?
What about when you're fishing with a guide and you pick the lure? Or you say "hey, do you think that bar over by the point is worth anything now" and he decides to fish it?
Does a fish caught from the front of the boat count less than the back because you had first water?
What about how hard the lure is to work, or how accurate your cast was? I hooked a fish on a backlash once, did that count? I mean technically the lure was just sitting there, and the fish ate it anyway...
Or is it being able to run the boat and read the locator that makes the fish count?
If thats the case, than the guy running the boat caught the fish, even if he wasn't fishing?
Man, I am sooo confused now! Between the internet, magazines, guides, friends, bait/lake/area recommendations I'm not sure any of my fish really "counted". I almost feel guilty now for having so much fun catching those fish. Wait, did I even really catch them, or just sort of? |
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| Do guided fish count? Mine counted. If you don't think so don't go out with a guide or if you do don't count the fish. I think this topic has been done before. |
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Location: Roscoe IL | If guided fish don't count then I aint payin! LOL!
Some of my best times on the water were with guides & we didn't catch squat. Sennett! .. No, I did get one last trip... Tanner! No, him to...
Chad! Some guy's just don't know jack!
It's all on how your looking at it bro. If it don't feel good then don't do it I guess... |
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Location: Oregon | Of course they do........you are still doing the casting, hooking, and landing.
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| Casting: Yes, because the person who caught it actually had something to do with that fish hitting the bait.
Trolling: NO, NO, NO, trolling fish out of a guides boat, or even a buddies boat don't really count because all that person did was sit there until the rod when off then started reeling. |
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Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI | Trolling, absolutely not. Like the father and son I guided from Montana last year who both released nice muskies with me. I told them that they were nice fish, I was happy for them, but they needed to go cast to get their "first countable" muskies.
Even though I taught them how to sharpen hooks, line lengths for the depths we needed to run, how to recognize when a lure was fouled, etc., well enough to the point they were setting the lines, their fish still didn't count. Oh well, next time they'll hire another guide I guess.
Rowtrolling is still trolling so all of my clients over the last 15 years actually went home empty handed. Hire a casting guide.
Jeez.
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Location: Ogden, Ut | Fishless days with a guide don't count either then. You must forget anything you learned. |
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| I view every outing with multiple people on the boat as a team effort. If my dad catches the only fish of the day, we succeeded. I have also been "guiding" my dad since I was 15 or so, so I would hate to have to tell him that he hasn't caught a fish in 10 years.
On the other hand, I have never fished with a musky guide. However, I do think I would value a fish that I caught on my own more than a fish caught at the direction of a guide. This is a sport of figuring out variables and making adjustments, and I think that when I do that on the water it is more valuable to me. This might be the direction the original poster was heading in. |
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Magruter - 7/8/2008 2:54 PM
if counting fish means that much to you, you're doing this for the wrong reasons.... imho.
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Location: NYC (and many weeks in MN during summer) | World record fish don't take into consideration the captain or guide, only the person "handling" the rod.
Of course a guided fish "counts", or in other words, should be a source of accomplishment. I think that most Muskie guys who hire guides, including accomplished sticks like stange etc, know much more than ordinary fisherman. Most of the guys hire guides for new, large bodies of water.
When I hire a guide, I do my homework on the body of water, first. I understand the forage and water clarity before I go so I set up a game plan before going out. I live in NY, but I own a map of just about every fishable body of water, plus the lakemaster chip for Minnesota waters. I know where and how I want to fish beforehand. A guide can pinpoint specific "now" spots based on the current water conditions.
Trolling is a different story altogether. Alone or guided, I don't put much stock in those catches anyway. Its not something I care to do much and can count the number of fish caught trolling in the last 35 years, on my left hand (excluding of course saltwater fishing).
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Location: Montreal, QC | momuskies - 7/8/2008 7:46 PM
However, I do think I would value a fish that I caught on my own more than a fish caught at the direction of a guide. This is a sport of figuring out variables and making adjustments, and I think that when I do that on the water it is more valuable to me. This might be the direction the original poster was heading in.
Right on.
And I never say that you don't learn with a guide. I was talking of fishes caught by yourself vs thoses caught when hiring a guide. |
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| A day on the water has different meaning to everyone. However, I personally feel more satisfied and a sense of accomplishment after catching a fish I feel like I earned and figured out on my own. To some, fishing is catching. To me, catching is the final piece of a puzzle called fishing, that is soooo much larger that the act of actually catching the fish. To many guiding is part of a larger journey in pursuit of learning as much about the sport as possible. To each his own. If they count for you, then they count. |
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Location: Monee, Illinois | Yes |
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| I caught my biggest fish to date, while alone in the boat. Was it rewarding, absolutely...if I would have caught it with a guide, yep, it still would have been. Learning water and certain nuances to a body of water is what is so cool about being with a good guide. If you're with a guide and you have a fish located, from there on, it's up to you and only you. Getting her to eat on a on 8 is up to you and rewarding and if there's someone else in the boat, no matter who, it doesn't matter.
So yes, I'd say they "count"...whatever that means???
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| I wouldn't be too concerned about what other people consider "legit" catches. If YOU feel good about the catch that's all that matters. |
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| I've taken friends to lakes that they never fished before and under my guidance and with me positioning the boat, they caught fish. Do those count?
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Sorno said it..... What Wisdom he has.
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Location: Cedarburg, Wisconsin | Trolling not? I don't think so! In my boat, most of the time you are holding the rod yourself, pumping lures, changing lures, keeping them clean and talking to me about the lure YOU chose, about it's action and depth. Why wouldn't that count? All I'm doing is putting the boat in position where you have a chance to get bit. How is that any different than using a bow mount to cruise around weeds and rocks?
I guess if you are sitting there like a bump on a log, because you choose to, waiting for someone to take the rod out of the holder and hand it to you when a fish hits, yeah, that's different. I'd call that being ballast. |
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Location: Lafayette, IN | Two words... "Team effort!" Most experienced musky anglers are quick to give kudos to fishing partners who put them on fish, share some previous experience that helps them select baits or times to fish, and who completes an effective net job. Oh, and takes the picture. While I may prefer to catch a fish casting I would still enjoy someone handing me the rod to enjoy the fight if the fish was already hooked. Conversely, I certainly enjoy passing the rod to the next person as well. Makes for a fun memory with your fishing partner. "Remember when WE ....."
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Location: W. PA. | I don't know what "counts" or doesn't but personally I would get much more satisfaction from catching a fish that I did all the work for (studying maps, digging up info on the net, working the water trying to find hot patterns, etc.) than I would from catching a fish when the guide put me on the spot, told me what lure to use, and said "cast to that rock". Pretty much the same as getting more satisfaction from catching a fish on a lure you built rather than one you bought.
It's pretty much just a personal opinion, matters some and not to others, there is no wrong answer. Just like trolling, I am just as happy with a fish I caught trolling as one I caught casting. Doesn't matter to me what method I used to take it but other people don't feel the same, as you can see even in this thread. |
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Location: Pelican Lake/Three Lakes Chain | sorenson - 7/8/2008 6:09 PM
Fishless days with a guide don't count either then. You must forget anything you learned.
Sorno, that is pert near as funny as Presque Isle math. |
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| I don't go with guides very often (only a few times), but have always enjoyed it when I did.
Of my three biggest fish ever one was a 48"er caught with Steve Jonesi in 06' (my PB at the time), and the other two were a 47"er and a 51"er I caught last year on a spot I discovered all on my own (literally, I've never ever heard another musky fisherman mention this area... good!).
I must say therefore having seen both sides of the question first hand that while it was very rewarding to catch a 50+ on my own steam and with no help (and no doubt my proudest catch)... It was just as exciting at the time catching a big one with Steve. I credit him for boat control and making a good call on the spot to fish (of course), but I likewise presented the bait in a way that made it eat, and managed to get it to the net. No different than my two fishing partners (in a way, not calling myself a Steve Jonesi here) catching fish from the spots I choose to fish and from my boat control... I helped, but they caught the fish!
Just my opinion on the matter, one of many...
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Location: Minneapolis | Sure, guided fish count. The one holding the rod has to play the fish and get it into the net. Guides are great for helping learn new water, especially big water, when you don't have a lot of time.
That being said, I do feel more satisfied catching fish by myself or with friends on lakes or spots we found without help from a guide. |
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | "If the fish is caught trolling I think the argument might be able to be made, although I still don't agree, but if the fish was caught casting I don't see any merit to the argument."
What is the difference between trolling and casting? The person holding the rod still has to fight and land the fish.
J Sloan,
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| saumon - 7/8/2008 3:23 PM
[But the most memorable ones, although not necessarily the bigger ones, were thoses caught when fishing alone, wich happen half of the time.
Really? I have caught many nice fish while fishing alone - nobody want to fish 15 hours a day with me  ...... some of the most unmemorable fish I have ever caught!!!
Do they count??? absolutely!!!
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | This has to be one of the most stupid questions ever posted on MF! (Yeah, this statement will probably get this post pulled).
I love the sword fisherman analogy, i.e., if you don't have $200K- +$2M for a sword boat & you go on a charter you're not sword fishing! Exactly how does that logic work? If you legally catch the new IGFA record sword fish on that charter, is it your record fish or the charter captain's?
IMHO- Guides provide very valuable services to their client's. After all the guide is not fighting the fish or even remotely responsible for getting it to the net. He/she might try to give specific guidance during the battle, but whether those instructions are followed is not chisled in granite, nor do they gaurantee sucess.
I think there are two different guide customers, i.e., 1. Those whom have the time & money, but not the equipment/means to catch a muskie - they hire a guide. Then there is #2, i.e., those whom have the time, money, and equipment/means to pursue the fish. But they chose to hire a guide to reduce their learning curve on specific water, or under specific conditions. Are either wrong? Should any fish caught not count? Not IMHO!
I fall in the later group, with the exeption of available time, i.e., my time on the water is limited. However, no guide in their right mind would guarantee that you will catch fish, i.e., mearly you may/will have an opportunity to catch fish. What a guide or charter captain really offers is knowledge, i.e., knowlege about the fish, it's habitat and what are good strategies/techniques to increase the odds of a sucessful fishing adventure.
In fact I have been fishing muskies since May 1996, and have both the means/equipment and the money to pursue the mighty muskie. Yet, I thought long & hard about hiring a guide. At the October 2006-MF Presque Isle Outing, I finally broke down and hired a guide (Howie Meyers of Seven Islands Guide Service). Why? Because I wanted to learn more about late fall muskies. Needless to say, I got an education in late fall muskies from someone who is a master at pursuing these fish. Yes, both Howie and I caught fish that day! Did they count - I realy don't care what you think, and believe me, I really don't, because to me they do! That one day fishing with Howie was more educational then all the late fall muskie articles I had read up to that time, and I have read a lot of muskie fishing articles & books, and also have pretty good retention of what I read.
Just exactly where do we get muskie fishing information? Many say, time on the water is the best teacher. Well, why not time on the water with the professor? That's really what good guides are, i.e., the equivalent of a college professor. They have mastered their subject matter through dillegent study and time on the water.
Howie did not just say do this, or we're going to do this. He explained in detail what & why we were going to do what we did to increase the odds of catching a muskie. This included fish locations, techniques, etc. He was right!
At the 2007 MF Preque Isle Outing I again hired Howie, why because I enjoyed the first experience and he's one of the best. I invited Spencer Berman (~19yrs old) to join us on Sunday. It was really pretty educational listening to Spencer ask Howie questions & Howie's reponses. That alone was worth the cost of the day on the water. I didn't hire Howie because I expected to catch a fish, rather because I wanted to spend some more time on the water with him and maybe learn some more about muskies. Yes, I will fish with Howie again.
Do "guided fishes" count? Final answer: It's up to the fisherman, and not the casual observer! If you're not the fisherman handling the rod & fighting the fish, in my book you're a casual observer.
Have fun!
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Al,
Actually, I think you are not far from dead center. |
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Location: Indiana | I think most of this fuss is caused by a poor choice of words. It's not a matter of a fish "counting" or not. I think the original question dealt more with personal accomplishment. If two identical fish were caught...one while being guided and one with no guide "assist"...which would you look back on with more pride?
Now I know we get assists from all over the place. But there is definately something to be said for getting out onto a new body of water (or one you haven't been on in months), using all your past knowledge to find the fish, and using your own skills to catch that fish. Not to metion doing something different and having it work.
It's just a matter of perspective really. And to tell the truth, there is no right or wrong answer. |
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Yes, sarcasm is a family disease. Started with my parents continually saying something like "nice job, we're so proud of you" every time I did something stupid.
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | J.Sloan - 7/9/2008 5:07 PM
Castmaster,
Yes, sarcasm is a family disease. Started with my parents continually saying something like "nice job, we're so proud of you" every time I did something stupid.
JS
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| It doesn't matter if it was guided or independent. A recent pattern can change on a dime so being shown where or what to throw yes can help your odds based on historical success but still doesn't guarantee a fish. If I had my way I would take a guide every trip so I can concentrate on my presentation and not get lazy.
A golf cart with GPS and strategy tips doesn't discount a low golf score, so why would a fishing guide.
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Location: WI | I have hired guides, fished with guides, and fish with people that should be guides. Why? So that I can learn and become a better fisherman, There are guides that are specialized at all types of different types of fishing. When I first started muskie fishing I hired Ty Sennett to teach me the basics and learn about flowage fishing. I learned an incredible amount about Eagle Lake and figure eights from Donnie Hunt. I learned a ton about southern reservoir fsihing with Josh Ebersole. I've fished with Adam Oberfoell in Minnesoata and Madison and have learned how attention to detail helps you fine tune your skills. Brad Nelson and I have fished a lot together and I have learned how precise boat control can increase your odds to no avail.
I'd like to learn more about suspended fishing and would like to hire a guide to fine tune my skills there. I wouldn't mine learning how to "creature" fish someday either. Not much of a troller, but I'd love to go out sometime with somebody that knows their stuff so I can put it in the memory bank. What about fishing a river system? Jeff Hanson in Madison has the Live Action Big Joe fishing nailed down.....why wouldn't I want to learn what he knows?
So if catching a fish with a guide "doesn't count", hopefully I'll be the one that learned from a guide and was fishing behind you when I caught mine.
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| likewise-I hears guides all the time saying they have 100+ fish...how many did THEY catch? And does it really matter? |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | You can try and tell these old timer clients of mine who come to fish with me to get their first 50 that these fish don't count. One guy lives on one of WI best lakes ( 16 hour drive ) and his first time up lost a 52 inch class fish at the boat, I actually thought he was going to cry. The next day he got a much smaller 51 but was estatic. Last year he was rewarded with a 55 and you should of seen him shaking.
But I'm sure since all those fish were caught trolling with a guide that they don't count. So I guess his Lax reproduction should be returned.
Just last week I had a couple of guys up for their first muskie trip, the first day each released a 48-49 casting. I'm sure they were pleased with that but on day two one of them got a 52 inch fish trolling and I'm sure if you asked them they would of prefered catching it casting but I'm sure it still counts. |
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| I have caught fish with guides before, some of those guides have turned into good friends. So if your fishing with your friend who happens to be a guide does that fish count.. You bet your arse it does...There's nothing like holding up a muskie you caught on a rod and reel - guide or no guide!
by the way when i get my personal best at the end of july with a guide - "it will still be my personal best" cant wait... |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | I feel sorry for John Gillespie. Fishing his whole life on TV and the poor bastard doesn't have a fish to his name. Just last night I watched him and Maina and Ol' Tex not catch four or five up on the Ottawa River with Marc Thorpe.
All that yelling and excitement. And for what? four or five high 40's to low 50's that don't even count. They so didn't count, that he's doing the next episode up there probably catching a few more that don't count. His life sucks.
If two guides fish together and they both catch fish, do they both count one, does one guy count two, or do they cancel each other out? Or, say if it was Norm and Tuffy1, would just holding each other tight be good enough?
What if you fish alone and you catch a fish and nobody sees it? Can you count it? How big can you say it was? And what if you caught two on the same pattern in the same area? Does the second count? Maybe not because you guided yourself to it? What if you fish alone, don't wear pants, catch a fish, and hook yourself? What counts, you or the fish?
It's questions like the OP's that lead to other, often more disturbing, questions.
Kevin
A good golf guide is tough to find.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Hopeful, that masterpiece is now:
Post of the Day.
In the case of the last example, speaking not from experience, the fish counts only to 2, because the ability and intelligence to count higher just aint there, and that's all there is to count anyhow..
Johnny Carson, on the Tonight show: ' I bet that made his putter flutter"... |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | sworrall - 7/10/2008 11:36 PM
Johnny Carson, on the Tonight show: ' I bet that made his putter flutter"...
Poor Barbara Nicklaus.
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| Hopeful that is by far the funniest thing I've read today!
Oh yeah and hooking yourself definately wouldn't count becouse thats technically snagging 
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| If you're new on a lake, and you're up there muskie fishing for a week, and you go out with a guide, casting, why wouldn't the fish count. You through the lure, hooked up, and reeled it in. If you really want your first muskie, a guide would help, because you don't know the finer points of handling and properly releasing the fish also.
If you want to "earn" fish, that's great, but a lot of people want to go on a trip for a week and catch walleyes to take home, and also try to get a muskie. They just want to relax for a week. I understand that many people want to go out there and see how big of a fish they can earn working hard.
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Kevin- I didn't think anyone saw me! But in that situation it certainly helps to fish with barbless hooks-> ouch  The fish still counts!
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Al,
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| saumon - 7/8/2008 3:04 PM
Magruter - 7/8/2008 3:54 PM
if counting fish means that much to you, you're doing this for the wrong reasons.... imho.
I think you understand it the wrong way: by counting, I don't mean the numbers, i mean something to be proud of, cause it take a lot of work, time, effort and patience...
I think that furthers the point. Hiring a guide is one of the absolute best tools in a musky fisherman's arsenal on a new (te them) body of water. If you are alluding to the fact that that guy hasn't put in his work on that water, prior to hiring a guide, you'd seem pretty silly.
Most of the people that I fish with, and a couple from the boards I've talked to, will study maps, get reports, talk to their guides, they ARE doing the work, they're putting in their time. They may not be on the water, but they are doing the work trying to establish what happens on that water. They are putting together their book of knowledge that the guide is only going to add to.
I think it's something to be proud of when you pop a 50"+ fish with a guide just like it is when you do it on your own. NO less, in some cases more, because you did it right, the guy yesterday that might have fished that spot didn't do it... |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Midnight Friday, Waukegan Harbor at the cleaning station. We weigh Karloutdoor's monster brown in at 17lbs, take a pic or two and we're all drying out from an ugly rainstorm that opened up just before we got in the harbor. Karl is just about to put the electric knife to the fish and I say....
"You know, that fish doesnt count, it's my boat and I was GUIDING you guys today"
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Location: Minn. | I count all fish I catch, guided or not.From the 100's of 30" of the 80's, to the 100's of 30" to 40" of the 80's and 90's. To the 52"
caught casting in 2003, to the last 19 fish over 48" up to 52" caught trolling because is the best tactic to catch mutiple large fish in the lake I fish. When I've been guided, we always talk about how and where we are going to fish. what patterns would be best and then get after them. Not much different than when I go fishing with my brother. I definetely have to count my brothers after I lost his biggest fish when the handle on the net broke in Canada. LOL |
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| No ,it should not count,unless i catch a big than it counts.bill |
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Do "guided fishes" count?