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| Find it kind of stange why some people are so secretive about lakes they catch big muskies on. I see a lot coming from this LAKE X. WHERE IS THIS BODY OF WATER? I would love to drive my X Truck with my X Boat, use my X Rod and Reel spooled with X superbraid line and cast my X lure to catch one of those moster X muskies! |
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| I agree. Why post if you're so afraid of revealing the lake. I also like when guys edit a picture of a 30 inch fish so you can't see the shoreline. Let me just pack up everything and try to go catch that 30 incher. I am going to sponsor legislation in all states with musky that provides for no open season on all Lake Xs. |
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| Why does it bother you so much? Maybe the reason why they post lake X is the same reason why you are bothered by it? They don't want people to flock to the lake they are doing good on when there are a limited number of muskie lakes. |
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Location: where the fish are... | lake x is the bomb, if i could just find it |
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| I fished Lake X tonight and wouldn't you know it... I caught a fish! BTW Lake X is in the Twin Cities metro area for all you guys looking for it. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Lake X is actually in Canada. I'm there now. |
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Location: BLOOMINGTON,IL | I am glad to see this discussion. Regarding Lake X, be proud of your fish and where you caught it. I enjoy looking at pictures and just seeing where people are catching nice fish. I do enough research on spots and fish patterns that I do not focus on muskie website images. And to think that most guys on here just sit around looking at the pictures with plans of trying to find them is crazy.
Stop playing the Lake X card!! Be proud of your catch! |
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| yeah we are proud and we want to stay proud,thats why we tell lakeX.easy no? |
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Location: WI | I fish a Lake X...I'm sure you'll hear about it more in the next few years. I also fish another lake x that is really small, tiny in fact. |
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Location: New Berlin,Wisconsin,53151 | Lake X is like Doctor "X" once the mask came off nobody cared. Say Lake X is LOTW...OK now everybody knows go fish it.
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| Muskie fishing is all about the deception. Photoshop the shoreline. Hide the bait. Jam the fish out at the camera with arms as straight as 2 x 4s. See how large these fish I catch are?? But that's all I want you to know. If only my overblown ego wouldn't get in the way, I'd keep these photos off the internet. Dang it all to heck!
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Location: Algonquin, ILL | Steve: We all know that your Lake "X" is actually Lake "Y" where only Sue can catch fish 
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| Beazzle Bub has a point to some extent. By posting "Lake x" on photos, or photoshopping the background, you aren't really intending to assist your fellow anglers. Instead, you're looking for some congrats and recognition for your catch. Mr. Beazzle wants to call that egotistical, but I don't know that you have to go that far. For some, maybe.
I don't think there's anything wrong with seeking a pat on the back once in awhile, as long as you are honest to yourself that those are your intentions. It's exciting to catch a big fish. Why not share your excitement? And is there a better forum than this for sharing? |
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| not exactly...but nice try...I fish some lakes that are lake x's and I'd rather not have on the net....some that aren't...I did enter a 45" on the Madison Chain recently..no lake x there...
to each there own guest1... I don't mind all the lake x's in the big fish contest... I'd rather see the pics than no pics at all |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | Lake X may truly be mythical, or even deceptive, but it seems that most of the complaints about labeling a lake 'X' come from 'User X', i.e., unregistered anonymous users. I see nothing wrong w/ keeping a few things secret; I have as many Lake Xs as anyone, due to the friendships I have made on this site (or maybe that's because I live about 1800 miles away from them and the chance that I will frequent them is almost nil). Will I divulge them? no. Even if they weren't shown to me in confidence, I have enough personal responsibility to respect the amount of work of the person that took the time and effort to find them.
So my advice is that if you want a pocket full of Lake Xs to choose from, go ahead and register as a user, get to know a few folks and network a bit. It's fun, and the fishing is the least of the rewards you will experience.
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Location: Wausau | I believe there are many reason(s) for posting Lake X instead of the actual name. I'm more entertained with the pictures and a story than the lake name. I have limited myself from posting recently b/c some of the bigger fish I have caught were directly related to information from a friend and out of their trust I won't share the information...maybe others are in the same boat. I do agree that their are a lot of people looking for the fastest road to more fish and if one were to post that they caught 5 fish all over 40 inches in a night on a 300 acre lake 20 minutes out of Minocqua, I believe the pressure on that lake would increase. We all like the feeling we get when we pull into the launch parking lot and see it empty vs. 10 rigs with Rollie and Helens stickers. One last thought, I think many of the Lake X's are known lakes, but many people just over look them and drive right by - unless they heard it was a good lake to fish. There are so many lake choices in certain areas to fish, once you find one that continues to produce would you want extra pressure? |
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Location: Syracuse, New York | I can see keeping a specific spot to yourself, but an entire body of water?
Especially on here where most people will offer helpful advice and encourage other anglers.
Plus, my guess is, unless a fish is 60" plus, your not going to see a big increase in pressure from a couple of pictures. |
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Location: where the fish are... | alot of people spend their hard time on the water patterning fish, have spots they hit on a daily basis. The only way to do this is to be consistant and keep this to yourself. Do other people know about your lake x... sure they do and they dont talk about it either. |
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| One picture in a Mpls. newspaper caused the Ministry to shut down Lac Seul to total C&R for nearly 20 years now.
That was before the internet.
Lake X is a MUST in Muskie fishing. |
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| I've seen many lakes go bad due to increased fishing pressure from an aggressive musky bite. What I mean is the muskies are going crazy on a lake, the word gets out, everyone goes and fishes and then the bite stops. I've seen it on three or four different lakes.
It all depends on what is important to you, sharing information with fellow anglers, or capitalizing on what you're hard work has uncovered. I'm more inclined to the latter.
One more factor, if I'm catching fish on Lake Tomahawk, I'll tell you, but if it is one of many small lakes that I fish. I'm not talking!
It's not about the where, it's about the how (Jim Saric taught me that one)
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Location: Cedarburg, Wisconsin | Lake X is a good thing! Mentioning small lakes by name is a bad thing. If there are 1000 people that visit an internet site thread over a period of time and 1% decide that Lake X is a good spot to try, then you have another 10 boats to fight your way through to get to the fish. Even if you aren't there at the same time, they'll burn the fish you could have caught. Then they'll tell their friends and now you have even more boats and burnt fish. If you mention a big lake, you probably won't notice the added boats, but on a little 300 acre lake it makes a big difference. |
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| those who don't think increased pressure can come from telling the masses the lake you are getting fish on either haven't been in this sport long enough, or don't fish/catch that much...imo. sorry to be blunt but that is the way it is..do you think Mille Lacs was a Lake X not that long ago? yes it was ...there are many bodies of water even right now that are up and coming and people ARE fishing and getting fish over 50 that most on this board haven't heard of or even know exist...will they be known to the masses in the near future..probably...but right now there are still bodies of water that don't get the publicity like ML or V but still have great fishing oppornunities ....Look at a certain area on the Madison Chain right now...heard there were 15 musky boats in the area last nite from word getting out fish were hitting there... increased pressure is real...
I share info to people that share it with me back...or friends of mine...in musky fishing if you don't want to show up on your favorite spot/lake with increased pressure it is best to keep it to a select few..is that selfish? yes.
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| I fully agree that posting about certain bodies of water can increase pressure, but why post a picture at all if you're afraid to reveal where it came from. Looking for a pat on the back to stroke your ego. Seems foolish that the joy and excitement received from catching the fish isn't enough and validation is needed from others. |
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| BLA BLA BLA
Ego this Ego that.
IT IS A CONTEST! PERIOD!
Most of these people aren't posting to show you how cool they are"with my big fish"....
They're entering a contest.
Some of you people are just mad you have to actually work to catch fish.
What lake? where at? what time? what bait? Come on!
spend more time fishing than complaining about other people not sharing and maybe, just maybe you'll be the 1 holding a fish from and undisclosed lacation. |
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| I feel that "Lake X" is pointless for 2 reasons.
1. Most all people on this board know what lakes are at least decent lakes already and are not going to hurry up and jump in there cars to go to "your" lake.
2. Catch and release. The fish are still going to be there.
I do agree with the fishing pressure issue though. Some lakes are not that big or the "spots" can get crowded.
If I get asked where I caught a musky, I do reveal the lake but, I usually do not reveal the spot.
Just my opinion.
Later, Tom
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | I have no isses with the lake X. There are several small bodies of water in Wisconsin that are simply golden, they would NOT be that way if they were advertised.
I do however think the whole blotting out the picture background is silly, you won't ever catch me doing that |
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | There is lots that can be gained and learned by people posting pictures and telling stories of fish caught out of Lake X. To belittle people or call them egotistical for trying to keep some of the info close to the vest, does nothing but limit the free flow of information.
If it’s a big lake many people will say it, but they most likely wont say where in the lake the fish where caught. For example something like “we spent a week in Canada, on LOTW and caught 20 muskies” will not be followed by “all from Borrows Bay”. Heck Borrows bay is probably still 10 time bigger than most of the Lake Xs in Northern Wisconsin.
I know there are many guys out there catching lots of fish and NOT posting anything about them because of attitudes like some of those above. Look at the threads, not very many pictures. Now go look at the Big fish contest board, lots more nice fish with NO stories about how they were caught. Why were they posted there, ego….no because it’s a contest and maybe they want a free mount. I give the guys here lots of credit for starting that “Bragging Board” if they didn’t we would be seeing A LOT less nice fish pictures! It would be cool though to have more of the stories like we used to get in the threads, but I guess that is to ego driven.
Going to go hit a couple Lake Xs in a few hours and can’t wait to get on the water!
Nail A Pig!
Mike
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| Information is voluntary. I agree 100% with Nelson about pressure and the word getting out. I will give you one example. I am not mad at this guy by no means but I ran into a club member at R&H last year and we got to talking and his weekend was nowhere near what my weekend was. I told him where I was fishing which is not too much farther from his place up north. Want to take a guess where he fishes alot now? Again not upset but just an example of just telling one person.
One thing people can do if they do not want the background in a photo is to take a knee or sit with the fish and have the photographer stand All you get is boat and water.
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Location: WI | Exactly was Jason Bomber said......
It's a contest (that allows Lake X to be submitted). If we didn't allow Lake X to be submitted there would be a lot more fish said to be caught elsewhere (ever look at Muskie Inc. Lungen Log?) that were not.
I just got my butt handed to me over the weekend and tried out a new lake. My buddy and I spent $600 between lodging and gas to get there. Our result? A 36.5" and a lost 36" in 3 days of fishing. If I had a bunch of success on this lake, should I post the lake so that someone else can benefit from my hard work? I could if I wanted too. But if I didn't want to, I would hope you would understand why.
I like to see pictures of big fish. I'm glad that Lake X is allowed. I'm also glad to see bn uses a slip bobber as a way of fishing....I think I've found a new pattern.
After a while you learn who you can trust with information and who you can't.
GotOne
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| Using Lake X is the responsible thing to do unless it's a Mille Lacs, Vermillion, Leech, Eagle, etc. I've fished one sub-3000 acre lake quite a bit in the past 10 years. The lake has decent fishing, some big fish (but not a ton), and is beautiful and usually pretty quiet. Up until last year I rarely, if ever, would see more than one other boat on the lake fishing muskies. Last year I started seeing that lake mentioned by certain people on the internet (not on this site) and wouldn't you know it, this past Saturday morning as I was packing up to leave the lake there were no less than 5 muskie boats on it not including me. 3 of those 5 were Rangers...never seen a Ranger on that lake in my life. Coincidence, maybe, but I honestly believe the increase in pressure is directly related to the internet. Big lakes can handle additional pressure, but smaller lakes can not. In the internet era I truly believe it is irresponsible for people to post reports on small lakes. Too many people are going to chase that bite, especially with gas prices being the way they are.
Please keep smaller lake names and specific spots off the internet. Once they are posted, they are there forever. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | I could be wrong but I don't think this thread was about the Lax contest. It wasn't mentioned until about 24 posts in. |
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| Apply it to deer hunting. You hunt an area of public land that gives you an opportunity every year at a trophy buck. You tell a buddy about it who then goes and tells his brother in law, etc. The next opening morning you get to this spot and you see your buddy's brother in law hunkered down where you have hunted for years. Do you just shrug it off or do you get kinda ticked off that he is there? Is it different if there is just some random Joe Schmoe who happened to stumble on this area than it is if your info shared with your buddy directly leads to someone jumping in there on you? Just a different flavor of gristle to chew on with this one...
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Location: Algonquin, ILL | Many times Lake "X" is fairly easy to identify, all you have to do is pay attention and you should be able to put the puzzle together
For example Sworrall wrote "Lake X is actually in Canada. I'm there now", knowing Steve's history and some of his habit's in addition to reading some past posts & Current it's safe to assume that he is not on Lake "X" but most likley Lake"W"
As for ToddM, Just by reading some of his past posts he clearly mentions where he fishes when in N.Wisc or MN so no suprises there.
The same will hold true for most everyone who posts on a regular basis at one point or another they will give away their secret lake "X" they may not know or realize that they did it at the time, it's your job to decipher the clues
Now Lake "J" and it's Bass are waiting for me
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| Instead of posting Lake X I suggest everybody just pick a random lake and flat out lie, then nobody will ever know, end of this argument.
I catch all of my muskies at Big Creek on a black bucktail in the Narrows.
See? That simple. |
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Location: Musky Country | Fine,
Lake X = Miltona For Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Location: north central wisconsin | If you have a place that receives very little pressure, you have a good big fish ratio going, and you decide to go public about this place, you're darn right it is going to receive more pressure, and that ratio will suffer as a result. Happens all the time, unless it is so remote that people just cannot afford/find the place. I used to post pics of fish on threads with lake x and would get publicly and privately berated for doing so, and haven't posted pics on threads for a long time as a result. I just choose to share via email with my close friends and family anyhow. I love to help and be helped on these boards, but rather stick to the hows and whats and even some where's when it doesn't bother me or a friend.
Friend put me on a good one the other day, and while I'd love to go back with another friend or my wife, I won't, unless I run it by him first. He'll get to learn a few of the spots I like to fish. Pretty neat system. Unfortunately it doesn't suit everyone.
Guiding is different. If I charge you, feel free to go back to wherever you are taken. I think many guids have mentioned this before. Heck post an invite, maybe John G. will bring some Pabst and Johnsonvilles...
Edited by Reef Hawg 7/1/2008 6:35 PM
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| Lake X is absolutley the responsible thing to do. Even when the lake in question isn't a lake X I would rather not see it named. The metro thread right now has a fairly detailed report from a popular lake. Plenty of anglers have been looking for an excuse to get out on that lake and that report will be just the encouragement they need. I wouldn't touch that lake with a ten foot pole this weekend due to alcohol and boat usage by the 4th of July party goers but you can bet it is going to be absolutely packed with anglers. Using lake X in that instant would have kept the pressure to a manageable level but forget it now. |
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| what's the difference on what lake it's caught on..if you knew would you go fish there? Probably not...although these days who knows. Is there anyone left that doesn't make a crowd? |
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| Stinger, I didn't know this thread was about the contest when I posted. If it is about the contest, I certainly understand the "lake x" thing and as has been stated, it's a good thing that "lake x" is allowed to encourage the pics and the free flow of info. There are lots and lots of examples of fishing pressure having an adverse effect on certain bodies of water, and if you catch a good one on a smaller lake, I think the responsible thing to do is ID it as "lake x" to the internet masses.....
Edited by Matt DeVos 7/1/2008 5:02 PM
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Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI | I've posted on this subject before, so I'll keep it short, plus several others have echoed my setiment.
Someone posted: Well, why post the pictures at all, for a pat on the back?
We post pictures and never name lakes. These 200 acre lakes don't need internet publicity. Feel free to do your own homework, endure countless fruitless hours and headaches and you'll be well rewarded.
While we never name names, we do post in-depth fishing reports including time of day, depths, structure, lure types and colors, etc.
Enjoy the pics and videos, filmed exclusively on Lake X, and have a great season.
Almost forgot, please send beer instead of 'pats on the back'.
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| jason bomber: i don't give lake names out, but not because of ego. why? the few times i get out over a season are MUCH more enjoyable when i don't have to fight 15 other boats for a spot on a 300 acre lake. and reef hawg, you hit it right on the head, amen brother! to those who do post with 'lake x' because they like 'the tease', grow up... btw, if anyone want's to share some small lakes in vilas/oneida where i have a shot at catching some skis (any size) with virtually no boat traffic, email me, i'd be very appreciative. catching's great, but being able to enjoy the fishing is where it's at... thanks
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| esox69........
"i don't give lake names out, but not because of ego. why? the few times i get out over a season are MUCH more enjoyable when i don't have to fight 15 other boats for a spot on a 300 acre lake."
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't accusing people of having egos cause they wont name their lake. I was trying to point out that most of the pics would not even be posted if not for the contest. They are not posting them to show off...................... they are posting them for a free chance at a replica.
If I had a smaller lake that I was left alone at I surely wouldn't advertise online.
Lake X can easily turn into lake Wingra with a few pics online. Ever been on this 300 acre pond without boats from other states? RARELY Not complaining, I dont realy like Wingra anyway.
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| I'm with Jsloan on this one...it's probably why I get a kick out of a lot of posts on here..after taking an older friend his wife and kids fishing last night out on my lake I took into consideration a lot of other peoples views on catching fish just by discussing trolling, guiding, and musky fishing in general and where you catch the fish. He wanted to troll(where we were), I almost blew him out of his own boat! I explained how I would never take pride in following the rat race out to green bay, trolling, and boating my personal best..all in all I learned what I was told..pretty lucky to grow up where I am with what I've got...with way more chances to fish, way more lakes to fish, and lots of fishing friends to go with..a lot of people don't have that and don't care what they do to have to catch a musky as long as they get it. |
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| I went way off course with why I agreed with Jsloan there lol...here's why. Feel free to do your own homework, endure countless fruitless hours and headaches and you'll be well rewarded.
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| I can agree to some extent that additional pressure on a lake can be the result of divulging that you caught a fishe there, but at least I would like to beleive not to the extreme that some have expressed here. Typically speaking, musky are HUNTED in larger bodies of water, around structure that is unforseen in any picture, and most landmarks arerelatively invalid as you have long drifted off the structure by the time you land, unhoook, measure and photgraph the fish. It's not like we are sitting on the bank of a 30 acre pond with a nightcrawler here. The patterns change daily, the fish activity changes hourly, the structure the fish are working changes as often and only someone who knows what they are doing on a particular body of water will have any kind of calculated success. Not to mention that this site covers a multi state region. I don;t know about any of you, but I live in Chicago, and seeing a picture of a 45" musky caught on say the Madison chain, gets me excited, but has never prompted me to pack the boat, program the GPS and head out there. Sure there are always guys that will ride the coattails of the better fishermen, and sure they get lucky, but a couple of boats bumbling around out in the middle of the lake because someone posted a picture with that area in the background makes me laugh more than feel threatened. On the other hand, there is a site locally here called Chicagoland fishing that I subscribe to that is another story, it is all local and typically geared toward smaller lakes and rivers with a fair amount of Lake Michigan Salmon and Perch thrown in. I have seen posts of areas on the river that are my "honeyholes" for smallmouth. Understanding that they are not eclusive to me, after someone posts a picture of a nice 3 or 4 pound smallmouth they caught and the background is obvious to anyone that would go there, you can rest assured that the next day will bring a couple of guys with 5 gallon buckets filling them with smallies. So, there I would never disclose any details, but here I am perfectly comfortable posting pictures and naming the lake. All I need now is to catch a picture worthy fish this year. Makes it tough when you have to trade in the boat for a newborn. Some economy we have, thanks George. |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | I'm not usually one to give out secrets, but here goes...
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Hahaha, very nice Sorno! |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Just ask guys like Tony Grant how well it is liked when you go out of your way to mention lake names. He is not doing it on the internet (anymore at least), but just the same he is not very well liked by the locals in Vilas from what I have heard.
People definitely target lakes that get mentioned when a nice fish picture shows up from it. Like others have mentioned it makes for a quick bite killer on that lake.
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| at what point is "Lake X" no longer "secret"?
is there a point at which it becomes acceptable to name names?
what factors do you consider when making that decision for yourself?
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Location: WI | I'm not sure "lake x" is ever secret........it just doesn't need to be splashed all over the internet to where it was caught.
If you do your homework looking at stocking reports, dnr information, etc. you will always find the lakes that have muskies in them.
I think most larger bodies of waters are acceptable to name.
I will always respect a lake that someone else has shown me or told me about and I expect the same. I'm not fanatical about it, and will share with a lot of people if I've had success on most of the lakes that I have tried myself. Although, I highly doubt I will ever post it on the internet.
i think it is fun trying out a new lake and attempting to "figure it out". Sometimes it is a bust and sometimes its a jewel.
GotOne
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| I KNOW THAT SPOT SORNO!!!
ALL YOUR FISH ARE BELONG TO ME!! |
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Location: where the fish are... | plain and simple, people who dont catch fish and troll these sights looking to find out where fish are being caught can sit and complain. The people who catch the big fish and post them as lake x good for them. They seem to have thought outside the box and did their own research. I say if you want to internet fish then do it but dont complain when people catch more fish then you do. This to me is a ridiculous thread aimed at trying to get people to give up their spots they work hard for. If you found a way to make a million dollars a year and if you told people how to do it and it would affect you making that million a year would you do it? Think of it that way, or hit some waters and not the keyboard. |
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| MuskieTom - 7/3/2008 12:15 AM
If you found a way to make a million dollars a year and if you told people how to do it and it would affect you making that million a year would you do it? Think of it that way, or hit some waters and not the keyboard.
Reminds me of something a buddy of mine did in the early days of the internet. He built a webpage that simply said; "Mail 10 dollars to the address below to earn a quick buck." Put it up as a joke/class project. About a month later he gets an envelope in the mail with 10 bucks in it and a note asking how to make this quick buck. So my buddy sends him a letter back that simply said; "Create website asking morons to send you 10 bucks to learn how to make money. Wait for the idiots to send you mail, cash the check or deposit the cash. Send a note back to them telling them they are stupid. Say the following sentence three times while looking in a mirror; 'I AM STUPID.' Sincerely, Ben"
Ended up making over 200 bucks off of that thing.
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I've posted about very few fish I've caught on the internet, usually there's some unique story etc. about a fish if I do.
I've never said where I caught them. I've always said how and "why" I caught them.
That's the info people should care about. Learning how to catch fish will help you more than knowing where fish are being caught.
There's a lot more satisfaction to finding your lake X than going to somebody elses.
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| Pictures of fish and how they were caught and on what are all I need to know. I'm not going to get up and run to a lake just because someone caught a big fish on it.
This has been beat to death many times, and the outcome always seems to be the same. If you want to mention the lake, it's your business. If you don't, I don't care, that's your business. I will lose no respect for someone catching a fish on Lake X, but will give him a pat on the back just like anyone else who catches a nice fish. We all look for a little peace and seclusion when we are on the water, and it is true that guys visit many sites to find the name of a hot lake so they can hit it. I don't think any less of anyone who won't give out the name of their Lake X. The photoshop stuff bugs me only because it screws up a good picture, but if it's going to give away your secret spot on the spot, then have at it. All this talk about looking for gratification is crap. Most guys on this site have been poting pictures and giving reports about fish that they have caught since this site was up. They aren't looking for gratification, they are sharing with the group.
I don't post any pictures because I don't catch any fish....or do I?
Some times I think that we really go out of our way to find stuff to squawk about.
Whether it's Lake X, Lake Y or PEWAUKEE LAKE WHERE MIKE KOEPP CAUGHT TEN FISH IN ONE TRIP TROLLING OUTSIDE THE WEEDS....it's up to the perso who caught the fish to do what they want to do, and we don't have the right to question their decision. BTW Capt., outstanding feat.
If you don't like it, don't read the post. This is like Playboy. I just come here for the picture and the articles. I don't care where the bunnies come from because I'm not going to catch one even if you give me her address.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | BWHAHAHAHAHA....OUTSTANDING post, Beav!
I wouldn't argue your last sentence , that's for sure. Us Walking Bulls ain't in no hurry to run all over the place anyhow, for the reasons you posted and more.
By the way, you traded a Weagle for a Perka a while back, and he LOVES that lure. it's popping lots of nice fish from him on the Goon this week. |
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| I agree--small lakes should all be lake X. many don't need any additional pressue. Locals all know them--let the others put their time in to learn them. As far as time/day/conditions/lure selection--that can all be shared as to help others know what is going on out there. Sometimes you have to put in some time and effort to be rewarded--It is much more enjoyable when you finally discover your own lake X. I have a couple that I won't share except with close friends who have shared information with me. I would never ask or expect others to share theirs with me. |
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| haha cry me a river, people spend too much time on the water learning there spots and finding what works and what doesn't too let some weekend warriors or guys that get out once a week, or once a month too blow it up.....maybe the lakes private?...every fish i catch is on lake x or maybe even the mississippi river....if you dont like it, go out and find your own lake x and post pics....buncha babys |
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Location: Rhinelander. | I agree! Why so secret? Its not like everyonr is going to flock to it cause one or two46 or 47 inch fish are caught there. Its nice to where these fish are coming from . I just am curious and certain from the replies that others to. .
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Location: Ft. Wayne, Indiana | I agree with bn, The word got out on Lake Webster that there was 7 adult muskies per acre and everybody and their brother started fishing it until every fish in the lake was caught several times and now it is nearly impossible to get a parking place there on a saturday morning. |
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| Curiosity killed the cat Pheiff. You live in the Rhinelander area, but I don't see any posts from you telling people about the fish that you caught on some little gem of a lake up in your neck of the woods. Usually it's questions any time guys post pictures of fish that come from Vilas County Lakes.
I say invoke your Constitutional Right to remain silent!
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| First: It is embarrassing to post on Sunday afternoon. I should be on the #*^@ water. : )
In my early days on the internet I made the mistake of posting a Lake X. I got lucky and a mod pulled it before any major damage was done.
I fish N WI, some big but mostly small water. I am often alone (no other boats). No way in hell am I giving up the wilderness feel by posting the name of the lakes. I don't often bother with pics, but then again, I am not as good of a stick as many on the sites. I am more of weekend warrior (thus the post on a Sunday). Not too many fish worthy of showing.
To those who think posting lake names has no effect, I disagree. The top level sticks are less likely to go chasing pictures. Weekend warriors do. The guys who do not spend enough time on the water to figure out there own lakes and patterns will use what they see on the internet. They may not drive 300 miles to go to the latest hot lake, but if they happen to be in your neck of the woods, they will try out the new water they read about on the internet. 5-10 boat increase maybe. But on a 200 acre lake 5 boats changes the experience radically. Weekend warriors dont have time to explore new water. They want you to do it for them.
I don't much care where other people got their fish. I am interested in how. Depth and structure are more important than the lure. I dont get out enough to know the current pattern on every outing. Sometime the info on the net allows me to pattern things a bit quicker. Sometimes I will try the tactic I read about more quickly than I would ( I always start with my own gameplan) if I had not read it the day before.
I do not bother chasing the latest fad. I apply the tactics to my lakes and my spots. I did get my PB on Green Bay, but I fish there because it is close and I have a place to park my boat there. Saves on gas.
I can name at least 3 Vilas Cty lake that got killed by the internet. I remember a 5 and 4 fish days on 1 of them. We were just about alone. Now there can be 15 boats working Musky on a 400 acre lake. Lots of follows, very few converts.
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| TOO MANY INTERNET FISHERMAN. BOTTOMLINE. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Billy B - 7/5/2008 11:11 PM
I agree with bn, The word got out on Lake Webster that there was 7 adult muskies per acre and everybody and their brother started fishing it until every fish in the lake was caught several times and now it is nearly impossible to get a parking place there on a saturday morning.
Well there isn't exactly hundreds of other muskie lakes around the area. What do you honestly expect to happen? I think one of the next closest musky waters is the Detroit River, and that's a couple hours at least if memory serves me right. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | SVT - 7/6/2008 8:21 PM
TOO MANY INTERNET FISHERMAN. BOTTOMLINE.
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Posted 7/6/2008 8:21 PM (#325146 - in reply to #324494)
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| Slamr - 7/6/2008 9:14 PM
SVT - 7/6/2008 8:21 PM
TOO MANY INTERNET FISHERMAN. BOTTOMLINE. SVT Posted 7/6/2008 8:21 PM (#325146 - in reply to #324494 ) Subject: Re: Lake X Offline Posts: 191
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| Merckid - 7/6/2008 9:26 PM
Billy B - 7/5/2008 11:11 PM
I agree with bn, The word got out on Lake Webster that there was 7 adult muskies per acre and everybody and their brother started fishing it until every fish in the lake was caught several times and now it is nearly impossible to get a parking place there on a saturday morning.
Well there isn't exactly hundreds of other muskie lakes around the area. What do you honestly expect to happen? I think one of the next closest musky waters is the Detroit River, and that's a couple hours at least if memory serves me right.
I agree with you to a point TJ. However, I bet there weren't as many guys headed to Webster during the closed seasons in MN and WI before word got out on it as there are now that this cat is out of the bag....plus it's a bit shorter of a drive there than it is to Kentucky for those headed south from MN or WI. |
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| Theres muskies in Webster? Ill be there tomorrow. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | ulbian - 7/6/2008 10:29 PM
I agree with you to a point TJ. However, I bet there weren't as many guys headed to Webster during the closed seasons in MN and WI before word got out on it as there are now that this cat is out of the bag....plus it's a bit shorter of a drive there than it is to Kentucky for those headed south from MN or WI.
Agreed! However, with there being 7 fish per acre, I'd definitely look to Webster versus driving multiple hours more and less likeliness in having to deal with water conditions on a reservoir like Cave Run. Another reason I'd look to Webster would be the inability to find fish on such a large body of water like the Cave in a short period of time, say a week during spring break due to the sheer size of the Cave. Now if I were looking to fish somewhere in hopes of warm weather the Cave would be my choice. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Adapt. Adjust. Overcome.
The 'Internet' is here to stay, and in the simplest is a method of communication. Communicate what you wish, and do not communicate what you don't.
The difference 'before the Internet' was the form of communication? Good muskie waters were discovered, and not all that slowly, either. Used to be magazines, TV, Muskie seminars and Shows, and Clubs were the culprits. Some still are.
Got a secret? Keep it if you like, share it if you like. Either way, enjoy your time on the water. Someday when you've moved on your X will be someone else's. It probably already is more times over than one might care to know.
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| why in Muskie Inc they dont let u register fish as lake x? |
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| SVT - 7/6/2008 11:44 PM
why in Muskie Inc they dont let u register fish as lake x?
Because the Lunge Log is a database and a resource that both fishermen AND biologists can use. Adds NOTHING to the body of knowledge if you don't specify a lake. There is zero LEGITIMACY or CREDIBILITY to a database with missing information.
Don't want folks to know your lake? Don't register your fish, but don't use the Lunge Log to boost your ego. Don't get me wrong, feel free to pump your chest all you like. Just don't abuse a database like the Lunge Log to do so. Use the internet! Kidding (sorta)! 
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| esox50 - 7/7/2008 12:04 AM
SVT - 7/6/2008 11:44 PM
why in Muskie Inc they dont let u register fish as lake x?
Because the Lunge Log is a database and a resource that both fishermen AND biologists can use. Adds NOTHING to the body of knowledge if you don't specify a lake. There is zero LEGITIMACY or CREDIBILITY to a database with missing information.
Don't want folks to know your lake? Don't register your fish, but don't use the Lunge Log to boost your ego. Don't get me wrong, feel free to pump your chest all you like. Just don't abuse a database like the Lunge Log to do so. Use the internet! Kidding (sorta )!
[above post directed generally, not solely to SVT]
Than why have a point system at all? |
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Location: Ft. Wayne, Indiana | Merckid - 7/6/2008 11:46 PM
However, with there being 7 fish per acre,
Well actually that number was a gross overestimate as stated by the DNR in a club meeting I attended over the winter.
it's more like 2.5-3.5
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| SVT - 7/7/2008 4:03 PM
esox50 - 7/7/2008 12:04 AM
SVT - 7/6/2008 11:44 PM
why in Muskie Inc they dont let u register fish as lake x?
Because the Lunge Log is a database and a resource that both fishermen AND biologists can use. Adds NOTHING to the body of knowledge if you don't specify a lake. There is zero LEGITIMACY or CREDIBILITY to a database with missing information.
Don't want folks to know your lake? Don't register your fish, but don't use the Lunge Log to boost your ego. Don't get me wrong, feel free to pump your chest all you like. Just don't abuse a database like the Lunge Log to do so. Use the internet! Kidding (sorta )!
[above post directed generally, not solely to SVT]
Than why have a point system at all?
The two are not mutually exclusive. Are you suggesting there shouldn't be a competition if you can't submit fish as caught from Lake X? If so, remember (again) that the Lunge Log is first and foremost a DATABASE. The competition is a great incentive to get people to submit fish so as to increase the body of knowledge that anglers and researchers alike can use. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Billy B - 7/7/2008 4:32 PM
Merckid - 7/6/2008 11:46 PM
However, with there being 7 fish per acre,
Well actually that number was a gross overestimate as stated by the DNR in a club meeting I attended over the winter.
it's more like 2.5-3.5
I understand, I just went off an above post. I have no real clue what the true estimate was of the lake. |
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| You fish a 150 acre black lagoon with a good population of chunky mid 40" fish and some tankers... Most days you have it to yourself, maybe, MAAAAAYBE there's one other boat out there, probably not even fishing for muskies. What kind of IDIOT would you be if you told everyone on the internet where it was???
Those lakes aren't great by some miracle of God, they're great because HARDLY ANYONE FISHES THERE. I can only think of ONE better way to ruin a lake like that than telling everybody you know about it, and that's to post it on the internet for all the people you know and even the ones you don't. Why is there "Lake X"???
Because calling it by its real name on the internet would reeeeealy fricking STUPID! |
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