Posted 5/2/2008 10:11 AM (#316341 - in reply to #316334) Subject: Re: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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I like Keyes Outdoors because they make you feel like your right along with them in the boat. And because they are still showing new episodes where the others have been re runs for over a month allready.
Posted 5/2/2008 11:04 AM (#316352 - in reply to #316334) Subject: Re: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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Heard from a buddy this am that this weekends episode of Keyes Outdoors will feature Tonka. Some nice fish caught and of course lots of "good stuff" from Mike and crew.ABL- Always Be Learning. Steve
Posted 5/2/2008 11:35 AM (#316367 - in reply to #316334) Subject: Re: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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Location: WI
Keyes for me....For some reason, these guys just seem the most down to earth. They never dispaly any arrogance or 'over-confidence' (can't find the right words there..) They're always excited and hungry for the next battle!!
Posted 5/2/2008 12:04 PM (#316373 - in reply to #316334) Subject: RE: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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I like simply fishing, I learned alot on how to accuratley "guestemate" the length of muskies without puting a tape to them. Saves time on fish out of water time and allows me to make 45 inch fish 51 inches everytime
Guest
Posted 5/2/2008 4:55 PM (#316419 - in reply to #316334) Subject: RE: What is your favorite Musky Show?
what channel is keyes outdoors on...and what time and day of the week?
thanks ive looked and looked for this show but cant find it...
Posted 5/2/2008 9:15 PM (#316486 - in reply to #316334) Subject: RE: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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Location: oswego, il
Reelwise, does that guy do seminars? I would like to see if he would like to speak to our club.
I did not vote, i like all of the shows and think they are great. Unfortunately keyes outdoors is not shown on Comcast cable in my area. I am sure I would like that show as well.
Posted 5/2/2008 9:19 PM (#316487 - in reply to #316486) Subject: RE: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin
I was about to vote for Musky Hunter but that clip is making me rethink things Reelwise.....Just a shame those pleasure boatas had to ruin a great show
Posted 5/3/2008 7:17 PM (#316586 - in reply to #316334) Subject: RE: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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This was my first season of FSN on the dish. I thought all the shows you mentioned were solid. I can't say that about all of the shows they run. Since when did pulling seven sixteen inch walleyes through a hole in the ice qualify as the basis for a half hour fishing show? Yes- apparently Direct TV does have " Ice Fishing With The Stars"
My favorites are still the same- Ang. Edge, and In Fish. It might be unfair to compare regional shows againts these National shows, but look how well they are edited and narated, they have solid underwater footage, good use of charts and electronics and very good tactical explanations. They are a pleasure to watch. Check out this clip-
Posted 5/6/2008 10:40 PM (#316968 - in reply to #316487) Subject: RE: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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Location: The desert
Musky Brian - 5/2/2008 9:19 PM
I was about to vote for Musky Hunter but that clip is making me rethink things Reelwise.....Just a shame those pleasure boatas had to ruin a great show
Another vote for "Fishing with Me today" but only if we dig deeper into the secrets of fishing the bushes.
Posted 5/7/2008 4:20 PM (#317110 - in reply to #316334) Subject: Re: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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Hmm. I'd have to see the guy actually fishing before I decide I like his show.
My favorite show has to be "The Fishing Guide Show". If you've ever fished with Travis, you know why.
Bob
Posted 5/8/2008 11:24 AM (#317230 - in reply to #316334) Subject: RE: What is your favorite Musky Show?
My favorite is simpy fishing, because I too have to personally handle every fish that is caught in the boat (even if I didn't catch it) and get a vpicture with it.
Posted 5/9/2008 11:26 AM (#317410 - in reply to #316477) Subject: Re: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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Location: Twin Cities
porterhouse - 5/2/2008 9:01 PM
I also like Keyes outdoors the best. It's cool that they have guides on there show and you can pick up a few tips from them.
Great show!!!!
Brian
This is what makes me not like this show. I mean yes they do catch fish and you do learn a thing or two, but it all comes from the guide and he is the one who deserves all the credit - not the hosts of the show (I'm not saying the hosts are getting any credit but I really hope not). In regards to most their musky shows, they just hop in the boat with a guide and fish. Anyone on here can do that and I dont find that it makes their show unique at all. Find your own pattern, fish it yourself and boat the musky yourself - and make it something new to the viewer. That is what I find makes a good musky show vs Joe Blow with the sponsors and cash to get it done with guides. No rip on either of them personally, I have never meet them and I am sure they are good dudes. I am just referring to their show.
Posted 5/9/2008 4:08 PM (#317459 - in reply to #316334) Subject: Re: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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The Dogger, Keyes Outdoors has filmed plenty of segments by themselves. They also do pretty good in tournaments too... sometimes with the camera rolling. Really nice guys and awesome fishermen that film a good show whether they are with a guide or just out with their buddies.
Are you a fan of Fishing with Me? That kid films all of his shows by himself and is always on fish!
Posted 5/9/2008 7:50 PM (#317483 - in reply to #317410) Subject: Re: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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Location: Hudson, WI
The Dogger - 5/9/2008 11:26 AM
porterhouse - 5/2/2008 9:01 PM
I also like Keyes outdoors the best. It's cool that they have guides on there show and you can pick up a few tips from them.
Great show!!!!
Brian
This is what makes me not like this show. I mean yes they do catch fish and you do learn a thing or two, but it all comes from the guide and he is the one who deserves all the credit - not the hosts of the show (I'm not saying the hosts are getting any credit but I really hope not). In regards to most their musky shows, they just hop in the boat with a guide and fish. Anyone on here can do that and I dont find that it makes their show unique at all. Find your own pattern, fish it yourself and boat the musky yourself - and make it something new to the viewer. That is what I find makes a good musky show vs Joe Blow with the sponsors and cash to get it done with guides. No rip on either of them personally, I have never meet them and I am sure they are good dudes. I am just referring to their show.
Dogger,
Mike films, produces and edits all of his shows which is more than a full time job in itself. Plus, Steve Genson is a full time guide himself and I'm pretty sure they catch fish on their own, off camera. With that in mind, they could make a very good musky show without any guides at all. They choose to promote professional musky fishing with guests that you and I can learn from and that is what I really like about them. They don't say, "Let's make a show about how good we are at musky fishing." They incorporate another knowledgable fisherman into it with the patterns they are on in a particular body of water and the show makes you feel like they are improving themselves as well as the viewer. And they are already a better stick than I will probably ever be.
Very good dudes on top of it.
Shearpin
Posted 5/10/2008 9:39 AM (#317547 - in reply to #316334) Subject: RE: What is your favorite Musky Show?
Eddie Abler Outdoors is #1.
mskygyd
Posted 5/12/2008 10:28 PM (#317825 - in reply to #316334) Subject: RE: What is your favorite Musky Show?
Dogger -
Ya musta missed the show where Mike stuck a Pig 47"er on the P Flowage BY HIMSELF - as in nobody else in the boat.THAT WAS GREAT ONE MAN VIDEO.
I'VE WATCHED EVERY FISHING SHOW FROM GADABOUT GADDIS IN THE 70'S TO WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW AND KEYE'S ROCKS. I HAVE NEVER SEEN AS MANY FIGURE 8 STRIKES AS ARE ON K.O. THESE GUYS ARE VERY DOWN TO EARTH AND GREAT TO TALK TO IN PERSON - THEY ARE GENUINELY INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. THESE GUYS ARE WARRIORS AND VERY PROFESSIONAL.THEY DON'T O.D. YOU ON PRODUCT MENTION EITHER. ALSO NOTE THEY DON'T GO TO SOME REMOTE UNDERFISHED RESORT. SIMPLY FISHING'S TOPWATER SHOTS ARE FUN TO WATCH BUT THE GRAPHICS ON THAT SHOW ARE SOOO LAME IT'S HARD TO WATCH.
Posted 5/13/2008 7:18 AM (#317845 - in reply to #317825) Subject: RE: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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Location: Twin Cities
I knew this would stir up some of u folks..
But like I said b4 I am sure they are great dudes and work hard at what they do. They must be great guys as they do seem to love the sport as much as the next muskie crazy.
I just got off their website and I was actually amazed to see that they did alot more shows with guides then I even knew. This last season I only seen a couple of shows that a guide wasnt used and the PMTT stuff is not of them personally catching much and more or less just a tournement coverage episode. So like I said before, MY OPINION of what makes a good show is one where the hosts do their own thing and find their own fish and are able to make a show out of a day or two of fishing. If a guy can do this enough times to make a season of episodes that is great. There is no reason why anyone else could not have taken their place in the boat last year and not made just as good of an episode(s). They were just a tool used by the guides to catch fish while they're cameras were rolling. They did nothing on their own besides cast, reel and repeat. I will give the guides in all those shows some credit of getting it done when the cameras were rolling, it just goes to show you how good they are at what they do.
Yes i seen the episode where he caught that one fish by himself, that was great and is exaactly what I like to see in a show. Its just too bad that he couldnt produce more of that type of action for more episodes. I guess what it comes down to for me is that I would rather be on TV showing people new things on my own rather than just being the pipline that new information is passed through.
Posted 5/13/2008 8:37 AM (#317856 - in reply to #317845) Subject: RE: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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Location: Hudson, WI
I understand what you are saying Dogger, but I think it would be a lot easier to grab a camera and a friend and film yourself fishing than it would be to buy production grade camera equipment, develop a relationship with guides from all over the country and have them on your show and get great footage that looks even better with careful editing. Not that easy.
Talk to Mike, Todd, or Steve at a show and see what they say. They will probably ASK you what you like about the show and if there is something you would like to see more or less of. IMO that is the right attitude. They are not on a high horse, promoting themselves. They are promoting industry professionals and trying to make the best musky show out there. Based on the poll, they are doing something right.
Posted 5/13/2008 9:35 AM (#317864 - in reply to #317856) Subject: RE: What is your favorite Musky Show?
Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI
This thread has taken an interesting turn. To produce, shoot, and edit a show is very time consuming. Most hosts simply do not have the time to go and scout certain patterns/lakes. Although in most cases, Keyes included, they are very capable fishermen that could.
Even guys like the Lindners, Dahlberg, Saric, etc. have guides/locals film with them or scout beforhand. All are very accomplished anglers, but the logistics and efficiency of filming makes it necessary to utilize outside sources.
Gillespie is a lifelong fisherman, and after 12 years of filming a show is probably also very capable of going it alone. His formula, however, depends on multiple personalities as well as fish/info to make it work.
While filming our videos, we try to strike some sort of a balance. Lets say we're going to Mille Lacs for 3 days to film. We could get on a pattern and turn out a show. Several times traveling to places we have done it our own. But my opinion on the matter was: Wouldn't the viewers rather hear/learn about patterns/techniques etc from guys like Jonesi, Thomas, Ronnestrand, than us? Those guys are out there every day, and usually can talk of how conditions maybe developed over the last few weeks that lead to what we're doing now, something we wouldn't know. Even though our crew is very capable of catching fish without them, utilizing our contacts within the muskie world makes for a better overall experience for everyone.
I think most hosts would rather get on fish by themselves, spend the time scouting, but logistics just don't make it possible. Again, just my opinion.
Posted 5/13/2008 9:42 AM (#317866 - in reply to #317864) Subject: RE: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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J.Sloan - 5/13/2008 9:35 AM
This thread has taken an interesting turn. To produce, shoot, and edit a show is very time consuming. Most hosts simply do not have the time to go and scout certain patterns/lakes. Although in most cases, Keyes included, they are very capable fishermen that could.
Even guys like the Lindners, Dahlberg, Saric, etc. have guides/locals film with them or scout beforhand. All are very accomplished anglers, but the logistics and efficiency of filming makes it necessary to utilize outside sources.
Gillespie is a lifelong fisherman, and after 12 years of filming a show is probably also very capable of going it alone. His formula, however, depends on multiple personalities as well as fish/info to make it work.
While filming our videos, we try to strike some sort of a balance. Lets say we're going to Mille Lacs for 3 days to film. We could get on a pattern and turn out a show. Several times traveling to places we have done it our own. But my opinion on the matter was: Wouldn't the viewers rather hear/learn about patterns/techniques etc from guys like Jonesi, Thomas, Ronnestrand, than us? Those guys are out there every day, and usually can talk of how conditions maybe developed over the last few weeks that lead to what we're doing now, something we wouldn't know. Even though our crew is very capable of catching fish without them, utilizing our contacts within the muskie world makes for a better overall experience for everyone.
I think most hosts would rather get on fish by themselves, spend the time scouting, but logistics just don't make it possible. Again, just my opinion.
Posted 5/13/2008 10:00 AM (#317870 - in reply to #316334) Subject: Re: What is your favorite Musky Show?
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We've all been muskie fishing, we know what its like. Watching it on TV has to be more than what it would be like being in the boat that day. I'm thinking about the most accomplished anglers I know, and what kind of show you'd wind up with if it was just them fishing and a camera filming... Sure, you'd have some good days and get some great footage, and maybe if you were lucky there'd be some decent dialogue provided that angler had the right personality. But their running the boat, watching their electronics, and fishing. Filming that? Well, that might be fun, but can you make a show out of it? A TV show is a product, its got to sell. It's got to have appeal, and be something that can attract sponsors. It has to be entertaining, informative, and provide something that makes a lot of people want to watch it. And I don't see that being very effective unless whoever is doing the show can concentrate on making a show instead of finding fish, running the boat, essentially guiding and filming while doing it. Unless you had other guides and other personalities, and focused your attention on making a product you could sell, I think you'd probably wind up blowing your whole budget filming before you got enough footage for an episode. And what footage you had would probably be pretty boring.
David
Posted 5/17/2008 3:40 PM (#318498 - in reply to #317870) Subject: Re: What is your favorite Musky Show?
Keyes Outdoors is my fave without a doubt. The others are good, but I look forward to it every Saturday. I liked that they shot some good skyline and Badger stuff this week! Seem like good guys and the show is down to earth.
What is your favorite Musky Show?