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| Ok, I can't log on because my work can see what I do on this computer. Before I log on tonight, I would like to hear some opinions. Jody Dahms caught a 54X28 that I heard went closer to 30 in the girth column a couple years ago. He chose, along with Steve Jonesi, to release what could have been the new MN state record Musky. I'm sure they put a lot of thought into it, and can sleep well after making the decision to release it. I applaud that. To preface this further, I have NEVER kept a musky in my entire life.
So, I guy catches a 42 pounder in Kentucky and the thread is frozen because, more or less, the "release police" that are constantly on this site beat anyone to death over any kept fish. Again, I have never kept a musky in my life.
Listen, if I catch a 55X31 on Mille Lacs, Vermillion or anywhere in Minnesota, I am going to keep it and set the new state record. I would like to hear if this is okay before I go on my predator quest this year and what objections do you really have?
By the way, I did not lose any sleep in Hudson, WI last night over an aging, now dead 42 pound musky in Kentucky. It's not like the guy killed my dog.
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Location: So. Illinois | Respectfully, I think there has been enough discussion on this topic for you to anticipate positions regarding your question. | |
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True. But, I'm saying what if it happened this year? Is it really okay to have Art Lyon's 54 pounder from Winnigoshish in the year "God knows when" to continue to have the title? If you caught a 60 pounder and set the state record, would people cry over it being kept? Obviously yes, but call me and everyone else out on this one? | |
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Location: The desert | I'm just going to fish. I dont worry about such things, it wont make me a better fisherman. | |
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| Pointerpride102 - 4/24/2008 3:20 PM
I'm just going to fish. I dont worry about such things, it wont make me a better fisherman.
Point taken, Mike. I agree with that, but I'm trying to maybe put an end to all of this that has been going on this site for a long time. I love this website and get a lot of great info here. I feel for Tony Grant for posting a thread, excited about a big fish in his neck of the woods, that gets crapped on. | |
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I am going to give you some advice. You can take it or leave it.
If you cath a fish that you believe is a state record, you have a valid fishing license in your pocket, and you are fishing legally during the open season? You do whatever you want with it. Don't let the faceless internet police (many of whom never have and never will catch fish of that caliber) tell you what you should or shouldn't do with it.
If you absolutely need advice? Call your wife, your brother, your mom, or one of your friends. Call someone who matters in your life. If you can't do that maybe you fish with your dog. Ask him, becasue at the end of the day what he thinks is more important than the great unwashed internet public. And yes, I am including myself in that. | |
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| There will never be an end to it Adam. It's just the world we live in. I don't agree with the level of fanaticism that a handful of folks put on display in such matters. The type that makes you believe they would run their own children over in order to save a fish.
Your initial post struck a chord with me though. It's one of the reasons why I don't frequent this site as much as I used to. I enjoy looking at pics of big fish but get really turned off when you've got a handful of guys picking apart the photo saying the girth that was reported is 1/2 an inch larger than what it truly must be. It's the same type of deal with this debate you brought up. It's unfortunate that at a time when the mood has changed to a point where we can get higher size limits passed and truly improve the future of the sport there is this much time and emotion wasted on an argument for one kept fish. It would be better served elsewhere. If I want to see a mindless argument that has been hashed and rehashed for years before I'll look on this site, but those types of things are tiresome so I'll choose to spend my time looking at other muskie sites that I can actually learn new things from than just giving myself a headache by reading the same old stuff over and over again. | |
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Location: Musky Country | esoxaddict - 4/24/2008 3:37 PM
Adam
I am going to give you some advice. You can take it or leave it.
If you cath a fish that you believe is a state record, you have a valid fishing license in your pocket, and you are fishing legally during the open season? You do whatever you want with it. Don't let the faceless internet police (many of whom never have and never will catch fish of that caliber) tell you what you should or shouldn't do with it.
If you absolutely need advice? Call your wife, your brother, your mom, or one of your friends. Call someone who matters in your life. If you can't do that maybe you fish with your dog. Ask him, becasue at the end of the day what he thinks is more important than the great unwashed internet public. And yes, I am including myself in that.
AMEN To That,,,,,,,,,,,,
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| ulbian - 4/24/2008 3:48 PM
There will never be an end to it Adam. It's just the world we live in. I don't agree with the level of fanaticism that a handful of folks put on display in such matters. The type that makes you believe they would run their own children over in order to save a fish.
Your initial post struck a chord with me though. It's one of the reasons why I don't frequent this site as much as I used to. I enjoy looking at pics of big fish but get really turned off when you've got a handful of guys picking apart the photo saying the girth that was reported is 1/2 an inch larger than what it truly must be. It's the same type of deal with this debate you brought up. It's unfortunate that at a time when the mood has changed to a point where we can get higher size limits passed and truly improve the future of the sport there is this much time and emotion wasted on an argument for one kept fish. It would be better served elsewhere. If I want to see a mindless argument that has been hashed and rehashed for years before I'll look on this site, but those types of things are tiresome so I'll choose to spend my time looking at other muskie sites that I can actually learn new things from than just giving myself a headache by reading the same old stuff over and over again.
I appreciate that, but seriously, I really like this website. I don't want to go to other websites because I truly feel this website has the best set-up as far as being user-friendly. On top of that, there are some top-notch guides who post on this site and it is well-respected, and the sponsorship reflects that. And what do I know, I sell closed-captioning for a living and fish 30 days a year now (it used to be every other day) with my wife on my phone every 5 minutes..."When you gonna be home?" Steve and the rest of the guys have forgetten more than I know.
But, this web-site is still a business and when respected guys like Tony post on it and get shut down about the guy keeping a fish...trust me, not good for business. | |
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Everyone has their preferences on what they want in their coffee. I can respect your response to my post. It sounds as if this is more your cup of coffee than it is mine. Don't get me wrong, there are things about this site that I do like but in the past few years this cup of coffee has grown a bit stale for my liking and I've found a few fresh pots in other areas.
There's a good chunk of guys who used to post on here alot but now are very seldom heard from over here. By losing that, this site has lost a lot of very useful and abstract thought and now it's the same things over and over again. "When should I throw topwater?" or "What are your favorite baits?" Ok, that's fine, but how many threads like that wouldn't need to be recreated if the search function was used? It fails to answer WHY these are your favorite baits, or WHY topwater is something you throw when it's 35 degrees with bluebird skies.
The discussions that used to be engaging over here have now been overshadowed and in alot of ways replaced by ones that are engaging in bickering. I will enjoy the irony in it if this thread turns into a bunch of bickering as well. That would be a hoot!!! You might hear me standing on top of a chair yelling "WOOOOOOOOO!!!" hehehehe. | |
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| The discussions that used to be engaging over here have now been overshadowed and in alot of ways replaced by ones that are engaging in bickering.
our site IS our users.
sure, the staff try our best to "keep it between the lines", but the content is provided almost entirely by the participants, by you. expert, newbie, or somewhere inbetween, it's a melting pot.
online bickering is our collective weakest link, and imho, the best way to deal with it is to crowd it out with interesting and positive discussion.
sooo...if you'd like to see something more substantive than what you're seeing right now, stop complaining about it and DO something about it. each person can strive to be more substantive in your own posts and in your own responses to posts.
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| Ulbian, that was me who posted that last one, I forgot to put my name on it. That's not what I'm about man, I agree with what you are saying, but seriously. This thread will get frozen if you have that attitude, and I would rather try to make it better for everyone.
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Location: On your favorite spot | I wouldn't lose any sleep over a big fish killed in Hudson, WI either but you probably wouldn't like me coming over there and taking it back to Minnesota.
What's your point really? You need a can of worms to take fishing with you? I used to be middle of the road on this stuff too but we just can't afford to not care. Funny how the "release police" are the same ones at the DNR input meetings, MMA and Muskies Inc, working hard to grow and protect the fish that you'd like to come here and kill. Everyone else gets out of it WAY more than they put in.
Maybe an out-of-state guide can put you on a big fish to hang on your wall. It could really go on and on, couldn't it?
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Location: Minn. | For me it would'nt be worth the hassle of trying to find a certified scale, saving the last 30 ft of line and leader, trying to find all the forms, contacting the DNR. Any one of these missing and it is not official. Even O Brain's fish was,nt recognized by some people, and that fish weighted over 60lbs. I'd much rather release a fish with the potential of thousand of eggs,so that my nephews and nieces will have the same chance. Happy Hunting.  | |
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| Marc J - 4/24/2008 4:29 PM
I wouldn't lose any sleep over a big fish killed in Hudson, WI either but you probably wouldn't like me coming over there and taking it back to Minnesota.
What's your point really? You need a can of worms to take fishing with you? I used to be middle of the road on this stuff too but we just can't afford to not care. Funny how the "release police" are the same ones at the DNR input meetings, MMA and Muskies Inc, working hard to grow and protect the fish that you'd like to come here and kill. Everyone else gets out of it WAY more than they put in.
Maybe an out-of-state guide can put you on a big fish to hang on your wall. It could really go on and on, couldn't it?
Yes, you're right. Again, I am totally a CPR guy and have never kept a fish and am for the resource. I never said I don't care. BTW, which guide should I hire? Luke Ronnestrand, Gregg Thomas, Steve Genson, Lee Tauchen? None of them are from Minnesota. Maybe I'll go to Miltona and be the only one other than Brad Hoppe on a stocked 6000 acre lake and wonder why bigger fish are there than on Bone Lake?
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| who cares if they are from minnesota pick a guide and fish with one.
i picked a guide caught my first fish and have been buddys with him ever since and he is one of the best fisherman/person i know. It was the greatest birthday present i have ever had in my entire life.
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| Adam, there are a lot of great minds here, and a lot of great anglers as well. There are also a few on the slightly-less-than-great side of both, and everywhere in between. While occasionaly there is the unfortunate attack on one's character (which does nothing for our sport, our efforts, or in getting our point across) differing views are what makes information informative. If it was what you already thought, it wouldn't be worth reading, and responses to posts would be "yep". I don;t like the way the 42 lb thread went either. But at the end of the day you gotta let that stuff go. Just like in life, people aren't all going to agree with you EVER.
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| Lambeau,
I do add content that requires people to think, but it gets pushed aside.
Agree 100% that the bickering is the weakest part of this site...but therein lies a big chunk of the problem. It drove away alot of individuals who had a ton to offer and they have rarely been back since. It was that sort of thing that makes them choose not to come here and to choose not to add anything.
I'm not the only one who has this type of sentiment regarding this site. I don't feel as if I am complaining about it, or that I have a negative attitude that will get a thread frozen, just tossing some feedback out there that might be valuable for Lambeau, Steve, or Slamr to hear. Sorry if it got lost in translation. I've heard this in face to face conversations and have picked up on it on other sites. It's the type of stuff that could be useful for the mods to hear about from time to time to get a sense of why guys are choosing not to visit this site. I'm sure they would want to know what is being said beyond this place. If any of this feedback is found to be beneficial to the site then it is something that hopefully will benefit us all.
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Location: On your favorite spot | Nothing against out of state guides that give back, most of them do. I wasn't born here either. Miltona has alot of big fish because the guides and others who have fought to protect it against steep odds, and all the fish Joe released. Again, I think I'm missing your point Adam. Wait, what's your point? You asked if it was ok. My opinion is it's not.
I'm sure you care, nobody who posts here doesn't care. You'd probably care more if Mille Lacs and Miltona were in your backyard and I was fishing Bone. What's NOT ok about Art Lyons and 'God Knows When'? If you're looking to set the records straight you've got plenty of work to do locally. It's been a little slow around M1st anyway lately, might as well have one more kept/release arguement before the season starts. | |
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Location: Hudson, WI | Marc J - 4/24/2008 5:27 It's been a little slow around M1st anyway lately, might as well have one more kept/release arguement before the season starts.
True story, maybe this whole thread is just me getting stir crazy until May 24th. But really, you can't be serious. ONE incredible fish and you can't stomach it without ripping someone for keeping it, Marc? You would look in the Minnesota regulations book next year, knowing I caught a 64 pounder, and always have to say, "Ok, well Art Lyon's is not the real record." Forever you will do that, because it's not okay to keep ANY fish. Isn't the point of CPR to produce record fish? If I caught a 52X24 next year that baby will go back into the lake because it is not a record.
Also, go ahead and take fish out of Wisconsin. Minnesotans did it for 50 years until they got a fishery of there own starting in the mid-80's. Don't believe me? Check DNR stocking records and ask anyone worth their weight on this site.
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The reason people can catch records is because others let them go.
Pretty simple concept that gets lost on many.
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Location: Ogden, Ut | guts - 4/24/2008 3:40 PM
if you just shoot for the record your missing the point of fishing
Gotta agree w/ guts on this one.
Adam, you choose; if obtained legally, it's your decision. I will support you either way. But let me give you a bit of insight based on experience. Don't fret about it one second until actually faced with the situation. Like you alluded to earlier, the chance is infantismally small, but if it does occur you'll find yourself faced with a pretty awesome decision. You'll be surprised what you might do.
It's a pretty powerful feeling to let a state record slide back into the water.
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Location: Musky Country | Marc J - 4/24/2008 5:27 PM
Nothing against out of state guides that give back, most of them do. I wasn't born here either. Miltona has alot of big fish because the guides and others who have fought to protect it against steep odds, .
Miltona IS my home lake and have had it hard in the past with the No more Musky's group and the lakes assc. And the battle is still going on with spearing issues,,,,, And By the way Miltona has Heavy Fishing Pressure not just Brad Or greg... | |
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| Jody Dahms and Kent Sorenson have both come up in or contributed to this discussion.
each of them has caught a possible/likely state record muskie in the past 2 years.
both of them will be in attendance at the MuskieFirst outing this year at Spring Bay Resort up on Lake Vermilion, so if you're in attendance, ask them what it was like.
oh yeah, i almost forgot, they both chose to release the fish...
thanks for setting the right example, guys.
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Location: Hudson, WI | sorenson - 4/24/2008 6:15 PM
guts - 4/24/2008 3:40 PM
if you just shoot for the record your missing the point of fishing
Gotta agree w/ guts on this one.
Adam, you choose; if obtained legally, it's your decision. I will support you either way. But let me give you a bit of insight based on experience. Don't fret about it one second until actually faced with the situation. Like you alluded to earlier, the chance is infantismally small, but if it does occur you'll find yourself faced with a pretty awesome decision. You'll be surprised what you might do.
It's a pretty powerful feeling to let a state record slide back into the water.
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...and about this site - it's still the best game in town.
Well, I have a one in a billion shot this year (and absolutely no chance of ever catching a tiger like Kent caught last year) I'm not talking like it's going to happen and it's not the reason I fish muskies. I fish more numbers lakes anyway.
But if it did, I would hate to go down in the record books among musky purists as Adam "The Fish Killing, anti-conservation, takes a crap in the lake before he leaves it" Ruschmeyer. Whoever does do it is going to be known that way to a large percentage of the people here and elsewhere who fish muskies.
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Location: Hudson, WI | Madmanmusky - 4/24/2008 6:40 PM
Miltona IS my home lake and have had it hard in the past with the No more Musky's group and the lakes assc. And the battle is still going on with spearing issues,,,,, And By the way Miltona has Heavy Fishing Pressure not just Brad Or greg...
My wife's family lives on Miltona, I fished original Cowgirl prototypes on that lake in 2004 before they were available for purchase courtesy of Joe Renner. No, for the size and quality of fish, you get NO musky pressure. I do feel for you though, it's a shame the way the walleye guys want to run the muskies out of there. Definetely get the evil eye on the Main Lake Reef trying to find a run without walleye boats in your way. I would love to know how many they kill and dump. | |
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| I've never kept a fish but I don't care if someone else does. The exception is taking a big mamma out of a small lake, she's a top spawner and we want her genetics swimming around.
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Location: On your favorite spot | I can deal with reality, people keep fish. And I'd love to join the group of guys still hearing about Art Lyons record 10 years from now and knowing it was broken, I'd also like to be the only one on Miltona with Hoppe. Wish in one hand and $___ in the other.
Beats a boring day at work with no threads to read.
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Location: Musky Country | Moltisanti - 4/24/2008 7:32 PM
Madmanmusky - 4/24/2008 6:40 PM
Miltona IS my home lake and have had it hard in the past with the No more Musky's group and the lakes assc. And the battle is still going on with spearing issues,,,,, And By the way Miltona has Heavy Fishing Pressure not just Brad Or greg...
My wife's family lives on Miltona, I fished original Cowgirl prototypes on that lake in 2004 before they were available for purchase courtesy of Joe Renner. No, for the size and quality of fish, you get NO musky pressure. I do feel for you though, it's a shame the way the walleye guys want to run the muskies out of there. Definetely get the evil eye on the Main Lake Reef trying to find a run without walleye boats in your way. I would love to know how many they kill and dump.
Well I'am good friends with brad and help Carrie build baits, And fish Miltona About 5 days a week so I kinda know What fishing pressure on the lake is.
Heres a 50+ I reported Last Spring
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| I'm confused. I see less bickering here compared to other sites. My question would be what happened to the funny stories or threads that are a little off topic that guys used to post? That's what I think might be missing. A little humor is always in order. Is the price of growth a lack of familiarity and thus redundancy? Where's the love?
All muskies and no play makes Jack a dull boy, and who wants Jack Nicholson trying to chop your head off with an ax through your computer screen while he's screaming "Here's Johnny, you &*#@%$ fish killer."
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Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania | http://www.fish.state.pa.us/pafish/musky/ab_articles/2003nov_dec/00...
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Location: Rhinelander. | Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Its not like muskies are on the endangerd list. A record is a record and something to be proud of. I will also say if you don't keep it and say how big it was you'll get critizied heavily on the measurement.
You can't win here so make yourself happy,after all your the who has to live with it. I'd keep it for sure. I'd not feel bad about it either after all the years fishing them and all I have released.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Ulbian,
Next time you want to debate things 'Muskie' in the abstract, address your comment to me. I'm all over that. So are a few others here, but we have far more visiting here than you might think, and many are new or somewhat inexperienced to the sport or just plain not willing to take on a subject matter as 'deep' as one you might find challenging.
Some may actually need answers as to what surface bait to throw under what conditions, and it's our goal to see they get answers, from peers. Like lambeau said, our visitors ARE our content on the boards to a large degree.
I see what Adam/Moltisanti is saying here, and he's indicating what is and will be for some time a serious rift in our little society; some feel NO muskie should ever be harvested for ANY reason, some feel no BIG muskie should ever be harvested for any reason, some believe in conservation and CPR to the large degree, but feel an occasional harvest of a record fish is acceptable, and some feel that harvest is and can be used as a management tool in some places, and is totally acceptable in what is a completely renewable resource situation.
Some are indeed educators, and reasonably desire to instill new values in all who will listen to their teachings. Some are soap box speakers, and are a bit more insistent, commanding all passer-bys to stop and accept what they say as truth. others might be out on the edge of extreme, and insist with rude, belligerent and sometimes violent rhetoric that all WILL accept the doctrine Muskie they preach from what is obviously to them to be a pious and unarguable position.
Pretty much the norm with Grey between the three in any argument that has all the foibles between the science and biology and the reality us 'other' folks feel should be. Who's right? What's reality, scientifically speaking, considering all the variables? All three and all the folks in the Grey areas post here. If offered with respect and in a reasonable fashion, who are we, any of us, to insist any one of those folks has not a right to their point of view?
There, you might notice, is the rub.
All we can do is see to it all points of view reasonably offered get posting space, and any that are NOT reasonable and would generate only train wreck argument don't...therefore offering a place for reasonable debate and friendly if forceful(sometimes) argument opportunity.
Confused, it's not at all a bad thing to post a light hearted or enjoyable ( or perhaps extremely dry humored) post or two, as long as the many pitfalls of politics, sports, and religion sure to create a train wreck are avoided...of all, you are one of the best in that regard, and you should not allow anyone or anything to stand in the way of making us all targets of a good humored smack upside the head now and again.
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Location: Hudson, WI | Steve,
Is it okay to once a year, maybe, make a post about the Packers superiority and my undying love for Favre if I make it muskie related? | |
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Location: Cedarburg, Wisconsin | It doesn't matter if it is a record fish or not. What other people think is not important, repeat, NOT important. It is what YOU think that counts. You do what you want to and that is that. You don't need a cheering section in order to release a fish and you shouldn't be seeking other's permission to keep a fish. All you need is to do is make up your mind what YOU want and then do it. | |
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Location: Washington, PA | First of all I can't believe i'm chiming in on this one.........but, my opinion is that the problem isn't a muskie fisherman keeping a once in a lifetime fish. The much bigger issue is the weekend angler (I use the term angler loosely) who catches a muskie, either harvests it, or hoists it up for pictures for ten minutes and then "releases" the fish. That's where education and conservation efforts should be focused. Just my opinion, therefore I don't get upset when someone chooses to keep their "one."
I've also seen more than a few instances of what I would call worse. An article in muskie magazine featuring someone who caught a 48" fish and tied the fish to a tree to wave a car down for a picture comes to mind. Anyway, records were made to be broken, I don't think i'd get all that upset about someone setting a new one. | |
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| lambeau - 4/24/2008 4:23 PM
The discussions that used to be engaging over here have now been overshadowed and in alot of ways replaced by ones that are engaging in bickering.
our site IS our users.
sure, the staff try our best to "keep it between the lines", but the content is provided almost entirely by the participants, by you. expert, newbie, or somewhere inbetween, it's a melting pot.
online bickering is our collective weakest link, and imho, the best way to deal with it is to crowd it out with interesting and positive discussion.
sooo...if you'd like to see something more substantive than what you're seeing right now, stop complaining about it and DO something about it. each person can strive to be more substantive in your own posts and in your own responses to posts.
While I certainly do not disagree with anything in your post, Mr Winther, I do point out that it is often hard for a "noob" to jump in with a question without even the most gentle sould on this board ramming it down their throat. There are those, myself included, that can be forceful with the information that we present. we all can be at fault for that at times. We(collectively) are a passionate bunch of people about these grand creatures. There's absolutely no denying that sometimes carries to our demeanor on the boards.
Perhaps a tad more...discretion?...at the way one might go about answering some of the posts is sometimes due.
sworrall - 4/25/2008 1:13 AM
Pretty much the norm with Grey between the three in any argument that has all the foibles between the science and biology and the reality us 'other' folks feel should be. Who's right? What's reality, scientifically speaking, considering all the variables? All three and all the folks in the Grey areas post here. If offered with respect and in a reasonable fashion, who are we, any of us, to insist any one of those folks has not a right to their point of view?
There, you might notice, is the rub.
All we can do is see to it all points of view reasonably offered get posting space, and any that are NOT reasonable and would generate only train wreck argument don't...therefore offering a place for reasonable debate and friendly if forceful(sometimes) argument opportunity.
A perfectly legitimate statement, as well. However, I would again offer that it should not be up to a handful of people to determine what should and should not fly. It should, rather, be set upon the shoulders of each individual to do so. If you can't post it without seeing red, or you wait thirty minutes and read it again prior to hitting the "submit" button, well, it probably would do well to not be posted.
I'm a reasonably new guy here, all things considered, don't have any established relationships with anyone. I've met a guy or two face to face, and talked to several on the phone. Does that make me any less entitled to my view, or my experience? I don't believe it does. I would also not expect to see some of the more forceful posts be removed, either. (generally they are not, that's part of what I appreciate about it.)
I guess I make those small points because it is, after all, the internet. I would have a heavy heart if some of the attitudes represented here at times are those that you see in the boat.
Topic at hand: I think it was Lambeau that eluded to something along these lines, in regards to big fish: You can educate, you can congratulate. If one is kept, you can do the same, but there's nothing wrong at all with saying that "I wish he'd have released it." I think that's the line that gets crossed many times. I've been just as active a conservationist as many have, and I will, neither now, nor ever, claim the right to tell someone they cannot keep a fish. That, in and of itself, is ludicrous.
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