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| All on Musky Mayhem Tackle...in one year. Thats unheard of!
So the question is, do you think these fish are as smart as some think they are and will eventually become harder to catch on these lures, or are they as dumb as some think they are and will these rediculous numbers going to keep adding up?
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Location: WI | I have no idea if it will keep up? I'll use their stuff and hope I catch fish and contribute to their numbers! TIME will be the ultimate determining factor if those numbers will stay high...
I'm sure more people will be throwing their stuff for the next couple years(because of the popularity) and it will = more or equal amount of large fish caught...If in 5 years they are still producing and putting up large number of 50's....then they will rise to "Royalty" status in the musky world! (remember...there's always going to be more than one royal family in the world  ) |
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| They have been marketed well, so people are using them...hence quite a few fish are caught on them. I don' t think it is unheard at all. It actually happens every few years...Ben
Heck, Homer LeBlanc put a spinner in front of a chicken bone and caught a big muskie on it...My buddy had one hit a barbie doll rigged with a spinner in front. If as many people used the barbie in line spinner you would have the same stats
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Location: Musky Country | BenR - 4/12/2008 9:59 PM
My buddy had one hit a barbie doll rigged with a spinner in front. If as many people used the barbie in line spinner you would have the same stats
You use a Barbie and I will use a DCG and we will see who catchs more Fish
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Location: davis,IL | As to a Muskies "intelligence" I'm not too sure ( I do wonder what they are thinking when they follow and will not hit though). As to the success of Musky Mayhem blade baits, yes, these are heavily promoted and widely used. Any bait that see's a lot of time in the water will produce. I personally feel that blade baits in general account for 75- 80% of total muskies caught in a year by the fishing community. I think these "new" blade baits may have an edge on older bucktails in the vibration department. I'm waiting to "hear the difference" from the hydrophone when the tests are posted here on the site.
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| Large double bladed spinners are like black buctails.
What is the best color bucktail? Black Why? That is what more people are throwing.
What is the best producing bucktail (spinner)? DCG Why? Because that is what more people are throwing.
I would go head to head with ANYONE throwing a DCG or any other new large spinner. I am going to get my fish and NOT get tired out. I also won't have to spend $25-$30 a bait either.
Large double bladed spinners are a fad. Dead withing three years. Look at all the companies that are jumping at taking advantage of the fad. |
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Location: Musky Country | Guest,,,,,,
I wish everyone thought like you,,,, and then I'd be the only one throwing them.  |
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| Madmanmusky - 4/12/2008 10:09 PM
BenR - 4/12/2008 9:59 PM
My buddy had one hit a barbie doll rigged with a spinner in front. If as many people used the barbie in line spinner you would have the same stats
You use a Barbie and I will use a DCG and we will see who catchs more Fish
The barbie ended up on the line, because everything else including DCG's were not working...it only took barbie a few seconds to get action...Homer did it with a chicken bone, actually forks and knives as well, and he was pretty good and putting fish in the boat...No doubt that double bladed baits catch fish and have been for many years....I recall on Little Green lake when local made double bladed bucktails really cleaned the fish up....Not a new idea at all, we just have equipment these days that let us work larger baits and muskie eat large meals. As equipment gets better and we can use larger baits...larger baits will catch more fish than they did when we were unable to cast them. Logic, really more use more action...However barbie and chicken bones are pretty effective as well, perhaps even equally.... |
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Location: Oregon | Fish of all kinds love blade baits and it doesn't take a ton of experience to work one correctly.
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| I frankly don't believe that these baits have caught 321 muskys over 50" in one year. Which year was that? Where is the proof. I want pictures and documentation. |
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | 321 is the number of pictures that Musky Mayhem has had sent to them by customers of 50"+ fish caught on their baits. So Musky Mayhem has the "proof". How many are legit? Who knows, but I would guess most of them. I would also guess that there's more people that catch a 50" fish on their baits that do NOT send them a picture than those that do.
321 is a staggering number and hard to fathom. But if you're aware of what's going on out there on a number of lakes, it's actually very believable and I would say underestimates by quite a margin what's actually happening.
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| Someone just has to hate on something that has done nothing but good 
I fished a tournament last year... about 50 boats or so. The guys that won the tournament caught 3 fish all on DC's. We placed second and lost one at the boat that would have gotten us first...two out of the 3 fish were caught on DC's. The largest fish caught in the tournament... DC. 2d largest fish caught in the tournament... DC. Out of the 50 boats, I bet not even a quarter of them were throwing these lures. Is it that hard to give credit to where credit is due?
Maybe a lot of people are using them because THEY WORK.
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| Why did you post the questions if you did not want to hear any discussions? A bit passive aggressive? |
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| Who said I didnt want to read any discussion???
You are entitled to your opinion.
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| Well I guess I am confused...there seems to be a group of us who are fairly educated that think it is more marketing than anything else and if any lure is used in large numbers it will produce many fish. Also other baits in the past have put up similar numbers. I was replying to your post that indicated that people who disagree are haters and you supported that with some tournament you fished in....so I apologize if your idea of discussion is to pose a decent question then classify people who disagree with your later posted ideas as "haters"...Although I do see the humor in it...cheers...Ben |
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| I totally agree with you when you say large numbers of fish will be caught on a lure that is used by MANY people, but fish really love these things, and when others are not working or working OK, DC's can simply outproduce and have many times (not everytime and not everywhere). The same argument you bring can come up when talking about kickin minnows in indiana, but it still comes down to...they simply work. Of course, like many say, lures are simply tools and there are lures to use for many situations, but it doesnt get any simpler than a bucktail, IMO.
I hate on a lot of things by the way Sorry if that offended you somehow.
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| If I may interject here. I agree, to a point, with Ben. Brad and Carrie over at Musky Mayhem have done crazy amounts of advertising. They have gotten that bait in the hands of some of the "best" fishermen in the country. They have advertised some more. Word got out. People started catching fish. Then the craze began.
As we all know, some days the fish have lockjaw and won't hit anything. Some days they are SUPER picky, and apparently have a sweet tooth for chicken bones and barbie dolls (maybe I should check out some garage sales this summer... lol). More times than not though, they can be duped by particular offerings.
The Cowgirl isn't the be-all end-all bait. In my opinion, IT'S THE BLADES. Look at how many other companies/tackle makers have double 10 bucktails out there that catch fish. Those blades must put out a unique frequency underwater. I don't think there's another way to explain it.
So, people will continue catching fish on DCGs. The numbers will keep rising, but the Cowgirl is not THE bait. You can go out and catch fish on just about anything, like Ben said. Put a lure in front of a hungry fish and she will eat. Period. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Very well Put Sean!! I'm in the same camp as you on this...The amount of "hype" the DCG's have created perpetuates the use of the bait, and once the bait produces for an angler, it's hard to take off. Hence, the perpetuation continues.
It will wear off....
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| I think it is funny when people defend a company with such vim and vigor. They also make themselves look pretty darn foolish. Those same people are either young and dumb or old and foolish; but that said, they are all foolish.
It is one thing to state your thoughts and beliefs. It is yet another to attack people who share different beliefs. The beauty of our country is that we all do not have to agree, so please let those of us who do not share your beliefs and enthusiasm about a particular bait or style of bait answer a question or post with our beliefs.
As you can see, people were not attacking the large double bladed spinners at all. Those that were supporting them WERE attacking those that do not throw the baits and do not supporting the baits. This tells me one of two things; either you are directly affiliated with the company or you have been hypnotized and brain washed by watching the spinning blades.
As it was already stated, these large spinners are NOT the answer to all baits that will catch fish. If it were the case, all of these long time lure companies might as well go out of business. It is good to see people passionate about the sport and their baits, but people need to grow up and see how they are really acting. Definitely not like good stewards for a tackle company. |
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| This reminds me of the same thing in the mid 90's with the introduction of the bulldawgs. Kdawg |
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| One more thing here-did I jump on both bandwagons? You bet I did! Kdawg |
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| I appologize for the "hate" comment and I do believe I agreed with Ben's comment... so no one was attacking anyone for their beliefs. Everyone is correct in some way.
By saying "DC's," I was reffering to all double colorado bucktails, not just cowgirls. I am in no way affiliated with Musky Mayhem tackle and to be honest, I use esox50's DC's more than any and most of my friends throw DC-10's.
Goodluck to everyone this year and please find a lure that puts a lot of big fish in the boat that isnt so hard on our reels
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| double-10s are obviously a very effective lure, and the Cowgirl is a very effectively marketed version of that lure. the fact that most people refer to the entire class of double-10 bucktails as "cowgirls" regardless of brand testifies to that fact. it was the first really popular one. and frankly, more power to them! Musky Mayhem lures have been good for a lot of people, and good for the sport so the owners have every right to benefit from it.
one factor not to be overlooked is the contribution of being in the right place at the right time. the Cowgirl came on the scene at the same time that the big MN waters were peaking, something that definitely contributes to the incredible numbers of huge fish being caught...you can't catch what isn't there.
for obvious reasons, i prefer the Muskie Mojo XX and XXX bucktails. Mayhem is making plenty of money without adding mine to the mix, so i'd rather support a friend and a small basement company where every lure touches his hands.
this year i'm going to focus on retrieve triggers with the XXs, especially burning them much faster than i have before. to that end i bought a high-speed saltwater reel...any lure that can drive people to buy new gear for one narrow application such as that is having a pretty big impact!
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| I really like double bladed bucktails and have used them for about 20 years...Also the shumway flasher has done great for me in the past. I am looking forward to throwing the 8 inch DC's this year here in Colorado. I am sure the tigers will love them and I will also love throwing the smaller baits for a change...Ben |
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Location: Land of the Musky | I love the double #10s! I started making mine because I wanted so many. I just sell them to get my tacklebox stocked up for less Just curious if anyone knows how many companies have jumped on the double #10 "bandwagon". Just to add, IMO it IS the big blades and not the skirts so don't tell me by a company changing skirts they have some new novel double #10. The original double bladed bucktail is 50 years plus old anyway. Some guys just did one hell of a job re-inventing it with some great marketing! That is how you sell!!! Great job to the Musky Mayhem on that one!!! Great marketing guys and great lures!
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| Hey Guys,
Hold on a minute here. My post was totally tongue and cheek. I could care a less if there was 321 50" fish caught on these lures. I didn't mean to rattle feathers. That being said I really don't buy into those numbers either. Sounds great but really hard to prove. So I would take it for just what its worth. That would be a company trying to make some money. Just don't believe everything you read or take it with a grain of salt.
Brandyn sorry was not taking a shot at you or anyone else just trying to state the obvious here. There is no way that Musky Mayhem can back up those pictures. I do not fish with these lures but I have a ton of friends that do. They love them. For me I can't justify spending $24.00 for a big bucktail. But if I had the cash I would give these girls a shot.
Sorry for getting under your skin.
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| Hunter, I think it is 321 muskies over 50 "caught on all of the lures they make, not just the DC's. That is a HUGE number and should be questioned, but IMO is not that hard to believe considering how many guides are using them, the guides clients, and everyone else. Either way, I did not think your comment was out of line. |
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| Hunter4 - 4/13/2008 12:04 AM
I frankly don't believe that these baits have caught 321 muskys over 50" in one year. Which year was that? Where is the proof. I want pictures and documentation.
my fish was #268 and my fish was real thats enough proof for me. |
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| Guts,
I think thats great. Do you get the tongue and cheek part. I hope you catch 321 50" by yourself. It means absolutely nothing to me if I can't afford the cost of the lure. |
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| Mayhem is making plenty of money without adding mine to the mix, so i'd rather support a friend and a small basement company where every lure touches his hands.
I tend to disagree with that statement
All of the cowgirls are made at Brad's place..... either by them or close friends. Baldy doesn't make all of them himself either! |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Well, I know the COGS and they do make a lot on each lure BUT once you throw in the FET/taxes, marketing/advertising, fancy packaging, shows (booth, hotel, gas, etc.), etc. they are making a decent profit but nothing like you might think. I do see a lot of others out there though that go for well under $20 and made just as well but many do not have the above costs piled into each lure for costs. At the end of the day you can either be a company in the lime light and spend a lot on incidentals, you can run on a shoe string budget just making good lures or some place in between. Free market baby! Spend at will but spend with caution or you will be out of business soon. Don’t kid yourself, there is a lot of money in fishing tackle and lures IF you can do it right. I think Rapala reported $221 MILLION in revenues last year.
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Location: WI | If $25 helps me catch a big one, it's well worth it. I have one DCG, and a couple MOJO's and just bought a new rod and reel to throw them this year.
I'm sure 4 or 5 bags of aluminum cans would pay for a doulble 10. That's pretty easy money right there. |
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| This is off the point slightly but I saw that the Bigfoot Tinsel tail made by Bucher was being sold for only $14.99. Why is one lure $15 and another $25-30?
To the point the numbers of huge fish will continue to rise but like Howie Meyer likes to say there is more to muskie fishing than throwing a bucktail at a clump of weeds and reeling it straight back.
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| The Bucher is made in China with cheaper components. I'd guess manufacturers cost with the numbers that they do is probably around $3 .Yup, it costs them $3 to make and retail for $15. But that's ok, because $15 is less than $25 right? Oh, and tinsel IS NOT flashabou. Big difference. All that glitters is not gold. Steve |
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| DCG's go for $29.99 at Eden Prairie Gander Mountain. I just wanted to get the number correct since $29.99 isn't $25 either. |
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | That's Gander's choice to sell them at $29.99 and nothing to do with Musky Mayhem. That's $5 to $8 more than I see them anywhere else.
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| They sell for $22-$25 at all retailers except Gander Mountain. I wonder if any of you dissing Musky Mayhem have ever met them. Hands down some of the nicest people in the musky industry. Great people, great products, I would not buy from anyone else.
AWH beat me to it.
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| Not realy sure alot of "dissing" is going on it just seems that if a consumer wants to question and not purchase a product based on price they have every right to. It just pays to be a wise consumer. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | I have only heard the best stuff about those guys! I for one admire the marketing they did. |
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| DJS - 4/13/2008 5:49 PM
DCG's go for $29.99 at Eden Prairie Gander Mountain. I just wanted to get the number correct since $29.99 isn't $25 either.
every where i have seen them they are 25 |
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| In Reality they are only 22.50 if your a Muskies Inc. Member and order from Thornes 10% off for members! And If you want save more money go to one of the shows and buy four for 80.00 AND SAVE TAX AND SHIPPING! Brad and Carrie have always ran specials since they've been selling them These blades are the best twenty dollars I ever spent, and they last more than one fish!
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Location: Minnesota | I know of two places online that sells them for less than $21.99 for standard line of DCGs... rest seems to be above $24.99... if you look hard enough, you'll see them for less than $21.99... good luck... |
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| MuskyJay - 4/13/2008 12:55 PM
Mayhem is making plenty of money without adding mine to the mix, so i'd rather support a friend and a small basement company where every lure touches his hands.
I tend to disagree with that statement
All of the cowgirls are made at Brad's place..... either by them or close friends. Baldy doesn't make all of them himself either!
Who makes them for me then? Like Brad and Carrie, I do have some help. But, like Mike said I touch every one before it leaves. Doesn't really matter though.
Like has been said, Brad and Carrie are great people. Regarding their success, I say good for them.
Back to the original question...fish will likely become conditioned to these baits, but it does not appear to have happened yet. Not a magic bait, though...no such thing.
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321 Muskies over 50"