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| 8' vs. 7'
Wondering what everyones opinion is on rod length. I like a 7' rod because the hook sets are quicker and more powerful. But the 8' does a better figure 8.
I think you lose alot with the 8' and that the benefits are not worth it.
Just my opinion. I'd like to hear others. |
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| What do you want to do....straighten out the hooks and split rings.
It does not take mammoth power to set a hook, speed has a lot to do with it too. Funny if you take a 7' rod and set the hook...its only 8lbs of preasure I've been told. An eight foot rod will do the same and give you better figure eights....Just my 2 cents on this issue.
An Eight can cross thier eyes too...trust me!!![;)] |
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| 6 foot rod is best for me.My hooking percentage decreases with the 7 and 8 foot models.The 7 and 8 foot models are better to fight fish,but you must land them first.0723Bill Ramsey |
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| I agree pressure would be pretty much the same...But as far as speed it would take longer to set the hook with an 8 ft vs. 7ft. I'm sure some physics (sp?) guy will tell us! |
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| I agree 0723! I've had MUCH better hook ups with the 6'6" vs. my 8 |
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| Hey guys,
Just my opinion, but a smaller movement on a 8ft rod is much more movement than a 6ft. If you were to move your wrist about 1 inch with an 8ft rod, the rod tip would move about 12". If you were to move your wrist 1 inch with a 6ft rod, the rod tip would move less than 12". So a small movement is more exagerated on a 8ft than a 6ft which makes for better hook ups in my opinion.
-Phil Cali |
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| The PIPPO hit the nail on the head..
Old wise man once said.
Long rod picks up line MUCH quicker then short rod....[;)] |
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| Dun Duh!!!!!!
Pretty good for a 21 year old.
Thanks for not making me feel dumb Jason.
-Phil Cali |
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| No arguement what is faster or I would imagine you get more radius on a longer rod on a hook set.I am just stating I have landed more fish on a 6 footer than eight.Remeber faster or a longer sweep is not always better.I like the old pool cue rod verus the new fast tip.I really believe the old pool cue has much more power.I look at like ,the thicker bat in baseball,has more power,than the thinner skinny bat.Maybe not as quick but more power.Think about it0723 Bill Ramsey |
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| My swing speed for my 43" driver is 100+ MPH
Same swing with my 7 iron only produces 82MPH
Longer things move faster than shorter things.
Maybe the problem is you're not used to using something that long[;)]
I think the problem might be from the action of the rod and not so much the length.
Lots of variables envolved...lure type, line stretch.
I like the longer rods with more flex for fighting the fish,hookup % aside.
Beav |
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| Wife says the longer the better,
Like Jason eluded too you do not need the power of superman to set the hook. Sharp hooks, speed in hookset and the ability of the rod to absorb shock and help keep a tight line help to put fish in the boat
John |
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| Pippo took the words right out of my mouth. I was just trying to explain that to a friend the other night. A longer rod will move more at the tip giving more of a hookset than a shorter one, provided the stiffness of the rod is not compromised, and it is too weak to move the rod(which was for years the case with really long rods).
A longer rod will outset, outfight, and just plain be easier to fish with all day than a short stick. |
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| One of the biggest factors for rod lenght is cast distance! Example=6'6" rod/full lenght cast(football field type) with a Jackpot and a fish hits on the first twitch,setting the hook is like getting sloppy seconds!NOT GREAT!Take that same situation with a 8'er and you just uped your odds 50%!Women definatly know what they are talking about when they say LONGER IS BETTER!One man`s opinion! Jeff [:devil:] |
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| Longer is better.....what?? What did you say honey??.....or yes....my wife agrees also.[:devil:]
I get the impression some guys might be happier just bringing in a pair of musky lips.... Yes, the tip might not be as beefy as a shorter rod, but geez, most everyone one is using superlines with just about zero stretch. Shouldn't be any problem with the hookset. Also if you feel your hookset was weak, especially at distance, do like fishing offshore for other hardmouthed critters....set the hook twice. If he barely has the lure you are likely to lose him but that will probably happen anyway. If he has the lure but just isn't hooked good, that should do the job. I do it all the time with just about any species if I feel my hookset didn't connect well with the fish.
It's snowing here this morning and I blaming Worrall....he should have kept it to himself. Sheesh, yesterday it was 70 degrees.
BrianW[:bigsmile:] |
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| I have come to a conclusion,
All the points made on this thread have been great and there really isn't one post that's opinion has been incorrect. Fact of the matter is we are all not satisfied with our hooksets because of some lost fish. I know last season I was hooking fish better with a 6'6" rod (in my head), then I lost 3 fish, now I think an 8ft will do the job better. It's all opinion, but the movement will be stronger and move more with the 8ft, that's a fact. Unless we were fishing with 10ft noodle rods..LOL..Great posts guys!
-Phil Cali |
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| The point about softer tips on longer rods is true and it isn't....MOST longer rods DON'T have the power in the tip, but some do, it's just harder to find one that does. My 7'6" Lamiglas XH can cross the eyes on a water buffalo, and the new 8' Sworral Aurora I just got seems tougher. BUT yes, by and large majority of longer rods do have softer tips. BUT, my thought is that the hookset is OVERRATED, except at boatside.
Slamr |
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| My father in law is a retired physics professor![:0] Just for the hell of it, I'll send him the question and let's see what he says.
Stay tuned.... |
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| Jason Smith MADE me fish an entire day on the GOON with my new 8' model. I just ordered two more.[:bigsmile:] |
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| Let me throw out a curve ball here. Before I do however, I would like to get my .02 in re the rod length thing. A longer rod with a soft tip cannot possiblily give as good a hook-set as a shorter, stiffer rod.
Having said that, think about this: The jaw strength of a muskie is such that if they have clamped down on your lure tightly, you will NOT move the lure in their mouth regardless of rod type or distance from the boat! Doubt it? Take a crank bait or surface bait (take the hooks off for safety), put it on your stiffest rod, make a modest, short cast, give the rod to your buddy and you go pick up the lure and hold it in your hand while your buddy "attempts" his best hook-set. I guarentee that he will be unable to pull it out of your hand as long as you keep a firm grip!!
I personally believe that, for the most part, muskies hook themselves! Otherwise the only way a hook-set does any good is if it is in a vulnerable place in their mouth where they cannot exert good jaw pressure, or you happen to set as they relax their grip just prior to spitting it out. Food for thought.
Muskie regards,
Larry Ramsell
www.larryramsell.com |
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| Great reply Larry.
I have seen that in person. I saw someone hold onto a Harraser bucktail by the front shaft and blade. A very strong person set the hook on a 6'9" St. Croix. Quess what!
The hooks never dug into the guys hands and the 6'9" broke!
8lbs is all anyone can muster.[;)]
When I stick fish on figure eights, I get them to hit in the outside corner of the figure eight. The muskie is traveling fast in that direction and all you have to do is pull the rod back (under your arm) and let the muskie set himself right in the corner of the mouth. A upwards hookset often creates a neat headshake, but driving hooks only into the upper hard roof of there mouths, often causes a disappointment that we all dont like.[;)]
So yes...most of the time muskies set there own hooks. But a fast eight foot (Lamiglas heavy fast action) rod will pick up slack line faster and give you a better chance to penitrate the hooks. |
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| Here's my father-in-law's response, he's a retired physics professor.....
I've been thinking about your shorter/longer fishing pole question regarding hook-setting time. In order to make it into a problem I could do I had to make some assumptions, such as, the torque the fisherman applies to each pole is the same, the distance the hook travels in the mouth of the fish is small compared to the length of the poles, the poles are totally rigid and the mass per unit length of each pole is the same. As you can see, some of these assumptions, probably especially the pole rigidity assumption, separate this problem's answer from the real (reel?) world.
Anyway, what I came up with is the time to set the hook is proportional to the length of the rod.
(So, Dr. Roberts says shorter rods mean faster hooksets and longer rods mean slower hooksets. Hmmmm.)
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| Where can I buy the sworral Aurora 8' jerkbait rod? And is it the most popular among all of you 8' long rod advocates? |
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| Problem solved...I now have in my posession the answer to this much debated question...the "Extenda Rod"! The rod is 6'6"...thumb a button located at the top of the foregrip + BINGO, the rod automatically extends to 8'2"! Perfect for that initial hookset + the auto extension feature enables the angler to have that longer reach for fighting + tiring the fish...the best of both worlds. The rod will be available this fall + comes w/ a co2 cartridge, a firing pin + an instructional video. Call Steve Worrall or Jason Smith at home for ordering......[:sun:] |
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| Sponge,
Those are in the trial stage right now. Steve is having problems with premature extensions on his rod.
We will let you know when they are available to the public. |
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Lose power with a longer rod?