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Location: Musky Country | Need some help guys, I fish with Shimano reels and want to try a Abu whats the best reel reguardless of price for pounders and Dcg
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | We don't thow pounders but in our boat the Shimanos far outlast any Abu's we have tried. We throw Mags and DCG's just no pounders. We have not ran a 7000 and won't but have heard good things about it. I'll stay with my Shimanos and Okumas |
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| I use a 7000 with the 4 to 1 gear ratio for the big bucks and the 7000ihsn with the 5.3 to 1 ratio for big plastics. No durability problems with my 7000's. Kdawg |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Never burned up an Abu yet and everyone in the boat swears my reels feel "solid". They see a lot of time on the water and since I only run 2-3 rods a day, get used A LOT! |
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| RyanJoz,
Which Abu'sare you using? I've had great luck with my 6500c3's for years but now getting into DCGs and big plastics I'm wondering what to go with....7000i? |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | I live and die by garcia but i would not reccomend their "i" series reels. The "i" series reels are the only Garcia reels i've ever had any problem with. The spool shaft and the lever are the two biggest problems i've had with them. I have never burned up any Garcia gears on any reel where other Shimano's have failed me repeatedly, some to the point where customer service said it was no longer under waranty due to the amount of problems I experienced.
Find an older reel with a push button release instead of the lever. Ebay often has these reels for reasonable deals and even check buy it now.
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| Abu used to make the Morrum.......don't know why they discontinued the line, used to be their high end baitcaster. If you're right handed and see one on ebay, don't pass it up.
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| 54, Take a look at the EXT series, basically the same as the Morrum with the addition on a magnetic cast control. |
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| Has anyone tried the new 7000i red? 4.1 -1 ratio and has brass bushings. Looking for a reel to burn in DCGs. Can a guy put a power handle on a 6500c3 and not burn it up? |
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| Oh yea you can put a power handle on a 6500 C3. You wont burn it up believe me. I have two of them set up with power handles that I used last year for burning DCG's and they worked phenomenal. I have a Garcia 7000 now so I wont use those reels as much for burning. But, you will never burn out a C3. |
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Location: Minnesota | Dave, sorry to say but you're wrong about "never burn out a C3"... I had two C3's that went bad on me in 2007 and they were replaced with SSC3's... First one had the anti-reverse bearing blow out... second one had the gearing so worn out... and I threw mainly DCG's... That is one reason why I upgraded to 7000iC3's for the 2008 season... According to Abu... my C3's werent the first they had going bad in 2007... The guy who took both reels pretty much deducted correctly that I was throwing out DB10's... so my best guess is that there were several occurences before me...
I dont know if its true but I've heard that by exchanging power handles on 6500/6600's put a bit more torque on the gears and the bearings... Powerhandles do make it easier for cranking but remember... easier means more faster which means more strain on the parts... makes sense if you ask me...
Personally, I would've gone for those older 7000's if I could find new ones... I loved my brother's 7000 Syncro... I used it once and it prompted me enough to get my own 7000's... but we'll see how my 7000iC3's holds up in 2008 with the DCG's, SDCG's, Topwaters, and Plastics... |
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Location: Lake Vermilion Tower, MN | I bought 3 Records from ABU last year and they all worked great throwing the big bucktails. Even the Shimano's will show some wear if you torture them enough. I had to have one of my newer 400TE's reparied this winter. You'll see more of it if you throw enough of those big baits.
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| Power handles are no longer than a standard double paddle handle so there is no more tourqe put in the reel. What a power handle does is distribute the preasure needed to turn the handle over more fingers thus making it easier to reel, but they in no way would "burn out" the reel. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | The Abu Garcia power handle and the Gator Grips are BOTH longer than standard handles. They are 1/2" inch longer than standard handles. |
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| I just looked at a factory Abu power handle and a factory Abu double handle. While I didn't measure them there is 1/4" at the most difference, IMHO not enough to make a difference for tourqe. |
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Location: New Brighton, MN | All I can say for sure, is to stay away from the D5 series. One crapped out on me from minimal use. I sent it back and they replaced it with a new Record. (free upgrade) I've got a C3, C4 and Record, love em all.
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| I've got a handful of C3's in my boat and have found them to be quite durable. They do require periodic lube and I go through a worm gear about 1x per season. I also have a C4 that seems to get beat up more than the C3. Changed the main gear out 1X on this reel after about 3 years of use and it is due for another. Hard to beat the ability to take up slack on jerk baits with the C4 though. Don't use a C4 for live bait, too much wear and tear on the brass gears IMO.
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | yake, i've never burned up a worm gear. use grease on the worm and pawl and it will last YEARS. I have reels that are 15 years old and have never needed a worm gear. also if you are going to change the main gear, replace the pinion gear. you will wear out your replacement gears sooner if you don't replace both at the same time. one worn gear will wear a new gear out in a hurry since the tolerances are not up to par. |
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| Yake, Next time you get a new tooth brush throw the old one in your tackle box and use it a couple times a year to brush out the worm gear of your reels. Then put one or two drops of oile on the worm gear. I never wore out a worm gear yet doing these simple steps. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | No problems with my Abu 5500 or 6500 but I have never thrown anything above 8oz. I only troll lures above 8oz... |
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Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania | kdawg - 3/22/2008 12:44 PM
I use a 7000 with the 4 to 1 gear ratio for the big bucks and the 7000ihsn with the 5.3 to 1 ratio for big plastics. No durability problems with my 7000's. Kdawg
Abu Garcia® 7000i Red is this the reel you're talking about. you only use it for big bucktails? i'm not sure I know the 700ihsn, i wasnt seeing it on their website. thanks |
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| Most of my rods have 5600AB's, the anti-backlash models they sold for a year or two. I strip out the anti-backlash parts and rebuild the reels with a combo of regular and upgraded parts. Break them down and clean/relube each winter. I've had great luck with these guys. Just scored a pair of almost-new 6600AB's for $50, hope I can get the right parts. (I'll call Reelman!) |
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| Adudeuknow, I have 7000's that date back into the mid-eighties. I currently own 6 of them. At least for me, the 7000 with the 4to1 ratio is just right when it comes to bringing in baits with alot of torque,not only big bucks but hard pulling crankbaits and spinnerbaits as well. I've converted to various 7000 reels for about 90 percent of my musky fishing for about 10 years now, going back to 6's in the spring. I personally like fishing the big bucks with a slow to medium retrieve to maximize vibration while others prefer to burn them in. That's where the salt water reels come in. One other thing to consider, the 7000, even with it's 4to1 ratio, can really put the pedal to the medal on standard size bucks,such as giant killers. My opinion again, I think the 7000i your asking about will do just fine. Kdawg |
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| Great discussion very interesting I have a 7000 and two c3 6500 never had any problem's with any oil level wind after every trip.Some one talked about replacing both pinuan and man gear at the same time after 35 yr's as a repair machinest that is very good advice.The 6500's are over 25 yr's old and have also used them on salmon hold up well .But I don't use them for those huge lure's some of you guy's are throwing.7000 for that .Also have two Shamano ct Calcutta's 400's smoth reel but have not held up as well but Shimano treated me well getting free part's very quicly. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Drummer, I try not to steer anyone wrong with improper advice. A solid engineering background helps this out. Any other garcia questions? |
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| Oil should be put on the level wind,not grease. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | I have never had a failure using grease on the worm gear and levelwind pawl yet so I will continue to do so (10+ years). Oil the worm gear shield to allow for greater casting distance. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | I used to use grease on the worm gear until I had a few go bad due to dust/dirt particles being attracted to the grease and sticking...grind and a tick later, and the worm and pawl are up for replacement. I have now switched back to oil (as recommended by Chuck Brod) and have not burned a worm drive in over 3 years. I give the drive a few drops of oil each morning I go out, and I am all set.
Main reel gets broken down every month or so to get any other particulates out of gears, clean and re-lube..
I have also switched all of my 6500's to the power handles. about the only thing I notice in terms of wear is on the reel housing where the shaft comes through for the handle itslef. That little pressed chrome part seems to loosen up just a touch, but I think that is no real big issue...
Love those power handles.
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Keeping your reels out of the dirt really helps too. Keep them in reel covers when not being used and you will not only save the finish, but keep dust/dirt out of the levelwind. I have level winds that are from 1972 that were passed down from my father and grandfather that have always seen grease on the levelwind. These reels have all original parts except friction shims, springs, and drag washers. Grease is all my reels will ever see after they have lasted this long. The worm gear is a high friction area and oil just is not a good enough lubricant for that situation in my eyes. It also only takes about 5 mins in the shop to clean the levelwind should you get dirt or sand in there.
VMS my 6500 with the power handle also has the iar bearing's housing coming loose. I spoke direct with Garcia and they said this is not a problem as long as it is not able to spin. |
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| Garcia recomend's oil in the level and so doe's Shamano and Daiwa.I have some 5000 that are 35 year's old with same paul and gear and are oiled .But if it work's for you to grease it go for it. |
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