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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | And We will be using it...
Let me know what you'd like to hear and see from the world of the underwater, and I'll see what we can do to get it recorded audio AND video, and played high quality from the FIRST servers...
Test tomorrow to see what noise a crappie makes hitting a jig. Watch upload.outdoorsfirst.com for a video...and no worries, the music won't get in the way of the audio track. |
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| Do muskies fart? Does it make a sound? Do hapless baitfish scream in fear seconds before they get chomped by hungry muskies. What does it sound like when a muskie eats a sucker? Do they say MMMMMM! after a meal?
So many questions, so little time...
On a more serious note, I have always wondered what a creeper-style bait sounds like under water, because that "bloop, bloop, bloop" sound sure is funny from above the water. |
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| esoxaddict - 3/14/2008 1:14 PM
On a more serious note, I have always wondered what a creeper-style bait sounds like under water, because that "bloop, bloop, bloop" sound sure is funny from above the water.
watch the video Steve already posted. There is a creeper in there |
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| It would be interesting to hear what different boat noises sound like under water.
Dropped pliers, Radio, motors, talking ect. |
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Location: WI | I'd like to hear a Bulldawg. To us, it makes no noise... |
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Location: Algonquin, ILL | It would be real fun to hear what it sounds like when Slamr fall in the lake 
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| I'd imagine that would make a pretty big splash, John. Probably laced with a lot less profanity than if I fell in. The real question is what does it sound like when you try to net him??
What I think would be incredibly interesting in terms of lures, though, is to take something like an Ace tandem, where you can change the back blade out, and see what different blade types sound like on the same lure. |
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Location: Twin Cities | Bulldawg x2 !!! |
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Location: Sun Prairie, WI | 10" Jake is what I'd like to hear. |
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Location: Appleton,WI | Id like to hear a believer underwater or straight crankbait. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | A comparison of the different double 10 tails of some sort.
A comparison between a jake and a grandma of comparable sizes would be interesting
A comparison between the different types of walk-the-dog topwater baits
Steve
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| Quick question, when talking about hearing these baits, we wouldn't actually be able to "her" the vibrations of the bait, if I am understanding this correctly. A Suzy sucker, for instance. We won't be able to pick up that tail thump that would transmit to a lateral line. Am I getting this, or am I completely misinformed, and misunderstanding it? |
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| Another vote for Beleivers and Jakes, Plows too. Suick vs. Bobbie might be cool. I would also really like to hear a Bulldawg, like other guys mentioned. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Yes, actually, you will. A hydrophone works by transferring pressure waves under water into an electric signal. Here's the definition:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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hydrophone
A hydrophone is a microphone designed to be used underwater for recording or listening to underwater sound. Most hydrophones are based on a piezoelectric transducer that generates electricity when subjected to a pressure change. Such piezoelectric materials, or transducers can convert a sound signal into an electrical signal since sound is a pressure wave in fluids. Some transducers can also serve as a projector (emitter), but not all have this capability, and may be destroyed if used in such a manner.
So in short, if the lure creates a pressure wave moving through the water, you will be able to detect it. Big difference between this and a microphone. |
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Location: Eau Claire,WI | I have soo many I would love to hear...Markowicz globe,LeLure Globe,Jointd 10" believer with an egg sinker on the front hook,(super secret trick,not soo super secret now...) Hawg Wobbler in 3 sizes,Different tail thumpers like Lees,Top Raider,Pacemaker,Hi Fin,American Hardwoods etc... That does it for now,Steve,if you need any lures for testing,PM me.
A Big Daddy if you are doing Jerk baits...
Edited by FishingFool 3/14/2008 7:09 PM
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| I would love to hear everything. Is there any way you could post just audio so us dial up guys could enjoy?
Thanks |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Sure, audio can be uploaded. I'll see what I can do about that. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I would really like to hear what a Suzy sucker, Curley Sue/Bulldawg sound like (different sizes would be interesting here too), Suicks, crankbaits without rattles (Grandma), Pacemaker, Double 10 baits, spinnerbaits. Pretty much any bait any of us would throw would be interesting, but I would be really interested to hear the baits that don't make noise to us, like the big soft plastics and other jerbaits, bucktails, etc.
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | Wades Wobbler, Hellhound and DDD |
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Location: Bloomington, MN | A Hi-Finn Splashtail/Snodlow. It has to be boring, but they work!
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| Ok, I get it now. Thanks for clarifying that. I really was confused, as far as vibration opposed to what we would know as actual sound. Makes MUCH more sense now! |
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Location: davis,IL | I think I would like to "hear a comparison between something old and something new. How about a back to back between a #5 mepps and a double ten bucktail (cowgirl). I'm curious to see or hear if there is a big difference in sound, like volume or pitch. |
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| Any top water, Pacemaker, Stillwater, creaper............ |
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| I'd like to see a comparison of the various blade styles,i.e. in-line, french, fluted, willow and the #10's. Also, crankbaits w/o rattles would be interesting to see if there's some inherent sound. The Drifter website has the sound of most of their baits listed.
http://www.driftertackle.com/products/believer-video.php |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Cool, then we won't need to record any of the Drifter baits on the Aqua-Vu or the hydrophone; if they wish they can post the video they have to upload.outdoorsfirst.com.
We will definitely have all the spinner blade sizes and styles represented, for sure, I am interested in learning what the different brands offer as far as total footprint above and below the water. |
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| Regarding the Drifter baits, if you check the website, they claim to have videos for each lure type but clicking on them defaults to the same believer video. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I guess we should record those Drifter doesn't have done, under and above the water using the color Aqua Vu and the hydrophone. |
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| i woud like to see many of the biats already mentioned along with......
-Creepin tom "and other cool creepers"
-kickin minnow"along with many other big plastics"
-double 13 blades
-hawg wobler
-wabull
-howie....and howie 2.0
-shallow invader
-jakes/grandmas
-id actaully like to see how much sound those double 8 bucktails make
-suick
-poes awaker
-spinnerbaits with big and small blades at the same time or something to compare the sound
-and all the other baits that dont make sound to use |
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Location: Washington, PA | I would really like to hear the differant style spinnerbait blades, i.e. mag willlow compared to an indiana blade.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Messed around with the hydrophone yesterday, and one can actually hear a crappie jig working. |
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| This is a great endeavour, thanks in advance.
I'd like to hear the sound of various bucktails being 'burned' at a high speed one would expect to use.
Edited by Old Guy 3/16/2008 5:33 PM
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Location: The desert | Manta's
Beav's MegaTurd
Wabull
WA Wabull
Shallow, Depth and Top Raiders or all sizes
Krushers
d10 and d12's
and how about something like a sucker rigged on a howie rig? |
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Location: Hugo, MN | I'd like to hear what it sounds like when a guy walks around the boat, drops something on the floor of the boat, turns on the trolling motor, big motor, etc. I'm not sure I need to listen to every lure's sound, but it would be neat to get an idea how different styles of baits make different sounds. I'd also like to hear comparisons between different blade sizes and styles. |
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Location: Wishin I Was Fishin' | How about a comparison of the noises of different trolling motors.
Some studies said a trolling motor spooked study muskies. |
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Location: Norway | How about a struggling fish on the surface, or bird... hehe PETA!
Michael
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Location: East Troy, WI | comparison between all major or popular wtd lures.. 8" weagle, 10" weagle, homewrecker, doc, jackpot.
any of the swimbaits with rattles in them, jakes, believers.. any of that sort of thing would be nice to hear
nice to hear the difference in all the blades similar sized --- colorado, willow, fluted indiana, indiana, inline |
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Location: Twin Cities | Are any of these sounds available to hear yet? I dont see any links here, and I cant seem to find any of the NEW sound files? Should I just be patient? |
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| I would also like to hear any difference between identical blades (any size+style) that are left unpainted vs. painted. I always thought painted blades ran a bit quieter. On surface baits, unpainted steel fins seem louder and crisper sounding too. |
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| that's pretty crazy about the crappie jig...cool..do fish hear the same way we do? I know my dogs don't haha |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The hydrophone converts pressure waves into an electronic signal that is transmitted to the recording device, basically like a transducer.
Fish definitely 'hear' using their octavo-lateralis system. Rudimentary inner ear, air bladder, and lateral line all are used to 'process' the pressure wave for the fish. I found a great link that does a great job describing the process:
http://www.dosits.org/animals/produce/2f.htm
So I'd say the short answer is yes, they hear and no, not exactly like we do, but hear none the less. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | I would like ot hear one of my SuperDs to see if that rattle actually makes any noise under water... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Send me the lures you want recorded, and I'll post an Aqua Vu underwater video in color combined with an above the water video in color with the hydrophone audio track. Basically, the lures entire 'footprint'. You can use the embed code from upload.outdoorsfirst.com to post the clip anywhere. |
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| When do we get to see some of the results? I would like to hear the difference in bucktail combonations as well. Single blade vs. double blade vs. hammered vs. indiana etc etc........... |
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| I'd expect it would be easier to do this after the ice melts. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Norm and I will be getting to the Pool at Holiday Acres as soon as I can get a couple hours free time and record a few. |
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| esoxaddict - 4/9/2008 11:17 AM
I'd expect it would be easier to do this after the ice melts.
I assumed they were doing it in a pool since that is where the other tests were done. Do the indoor pools freeze in Wisconsin as well??????? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Some days they do...Spring looks like a long way off yet. BIG storm coming here this Friday... |
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Location: Cedarburg, Wisconsin | Later on when the water is more liquid, I'd like to hear the difference between a boat moving at 3-4mph powered by the big motor vs the boat powered by the kicker at the same speed. Often wondered why it seemed sometimes fish hit with one sound and not the other. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I can do that... |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | No one has mentioned a rattle trap? I wonder if there is a difference in sound between the Bill Lewis 'trap and the Producer Tackle rattlin shad? And, of couse, I'd have to request a Sledge in action. thanks, Steve! m |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | If I can get someone to lend me those lures, I'll sure run them through the test. |
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Location: davis,IL | Hate to be a pain Steve, but I, and many others I'm sure, would love to hear some of the bucktails. When I really got into Muskies, 30 some years ago as a kid, the #5 Mepps was top dog. Nowdays #10 blades seem to rule the roost, I've read about the deep thump of these blades, but I still wonder, are they that different in sound or is it just they move more water. Since most of us throw these fairly consistantly I would think this is a high priority on our list of lures to "hear". I know you have an endless list to test ( I read through the blog regularly). But help us poor bucktail guys out and answer this simple question! I'm really dying to "hear the difference"!
Thanks, from a confused fisherman. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I will definitely do that
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Location: davis,IL | Cool, very Cool!
Thanks, Steve. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Another thing on-the-water testing will do is indicate what the electric motor sounds like, water slapping on the hull, noise from the anglers and sonars, and more. |
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Location: Eau Claire,WI | Steve,PM me your address and I will get you some lures to test,I hope you can get them back to me by June. Thanks,Paul |
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Location: chicago | Steve, I remember seeing you about 7 years ago at Cave Run when you first did that.Funny how we thought 1 colorado would make a difference. What about speakers from a stereo on the boat. Would love to know if rockin on the boat would be dentrimental to spookin them. |
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| what about a rigged sucker, with and without a spinner/tailgunner? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I can do that too! We for sure will get under the water video of a sucker getting hit, and the audio will be from the hydrophone..should be interesting. |
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Location: midwest | I would like to hear a Lee Lure's Top H2O and a Delong Flying Witch. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I'm sure I'll be able to get some of Lee's baits to test. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | A TOPWATER BAIT WAR, the loudest top water bait and what sound does a BULLDAWG makes. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Steve, I sent some of my SuperD swimbaits to you with the internal rattles. |
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| It would interesting to hear the sound of wire line.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I'm going to try recording the lures under actual conditions on the water. Norm and I will be running a camera in the rig, an Aqua Vu color underwater camera, with the hydrophone providing the soundtrack. If it works as well as I anticipate, we will get the lures working in a real environment. |
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| Steve ,I would like to send you a Chubbie for your test.Where do I send it ?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | http://www.outdoorsfirst.com/contact.asp
The shipping address is at the top of that page. Thanks! |
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| what happen whit that? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It works, and works well. You will see and hear the results when the first round of testing is complete. |
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| Is there a link to this somewhere, I'm having trouble finding it. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Got a few scattered out in the video section. That's where they all will be published. The Coot, A Team, A few Tackle Industries lures, a few independent builder's baits, and Suick Lures will be added next. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Yea for the Mag Shad!  Can't wait to hear that Coot either. |
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Location: SE, WI. | HEADBANGER ??? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Be happy to, Jim. Don't have one that works, the last one you made me caught so many fish I plain wrecked the thing over the years. |
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Location: SE, WI. | Do you still have it??? I'll re DO it for you. Send it to me. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Somehwere...I'd be happy to buy another. PM me. |
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| oh that thing was not supossd to be reaqdy since 4 months ago? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Nope. No time frame involved, since it's my personal time to get it done and I have precious little of that around these days. Some of the videos I had planned are done and posted. My favorite is the darter pike strike on Pelican.
Not that involved a project... anyone could do it. All you need is a high definition DTE underwater color recording studio that records in at least 520 lines and records stereo audio as well, a hydrophone, and to get the baits sent to you. Then find a place to record and schedule the time, get all the baits recorded under actual conditions, edit down the video, and upload it. Probably only about 40 hours work total for a couple dozen baits.
I have a place to get it done now, just need to be able to take a couple days off to shoot and head to The Reel Shot in Osh Kosh. They have everything I need already there with an 11,000 gallon test tank all set with fish and everything. |
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| Steve, did you ever get the coot on video/audio? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | We were going to shoot it yesterday, but the storms ran us off. Saturday for sure. |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | How about a fish farting under the water? |
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The Hydrophone is IN; What would you like to see and hear?