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Location: Hugo, MN | Is the Torium like the trinidad with a manually engaged spool. Or does it engage with a crank of the handle. |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | You have to manually engage it, flip the switch! |
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Location: The Yahara Chain | MikeHulbert - 2/17/2008 11:37 AM
You have to manually engage it, flip the switch!
Mike have you fished with a Torium? If so what did you think of it.
I am going to get one to burn double 10's. Would the 14 get the job done or should I get a 16. |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | I have not fished with one yet, but from all the guys I spoke with the 16's are the ones to get. You bump down quite a bit when going from the 16 to the 14 with line pick up. |
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Location: Hugo, MN | That's what I figured. Seems like a decent price for a reel that, on paper, compares nicely to the Trinidad. It's got the High Efficiency Gearing, and the same gear ratios, but not the fancy machined body that the Trinidad does. Also not as many bearings, but all the important stuff is there. I'm guessing it would work fine for burning the double tens, and at half the cost. Anybody have experience with the Torium? Comments, good or bad? |
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Location: Appleton | The one thing I wondered about going with the Torium over the Trinidad is the narrow spool. I don't know that you can get a Torium with a narrow spool and without a level wind that might be a bigger problem with back lashes. Anyone know for sure if you can get a narrow spool?
Edit: http://www.tackledirect.com/shimano-torium-reel.html
If you click on the pictures it looks like the spool isn't that wide. Maybe they all are more narrow than a trinidad?
Edited by Team Rhino 2/17/2008 12:14 PM
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| the Torium is the same design as the Trinidad, but made with less expensive components, different bearings and gear components, and using less difficult machining processes at a factory in Malaysia instead of in Japan.
the Torium 16 is not available in the narrow spool that is available in the Trinidad 16N.
i've been looking into them, and for me they're not the same reel.
Torium:
http://fish.shimano.com/catalog/fish/products/group_detail.jsp?FOLD...
Trinidad:
http://fish.shimano.com/catalog/fish/products/group_detail.jsp?FOLD...
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| Isn't the fact that these reels don't have levelwinds a complete pain in the back side? |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | No, not really |
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Location: The Yahara Chain | I believe that the Trinidad is one piece and the Torium is three pieces. The Trinidad just costs to much for me. I have to believe that the Torium can handle double 10's and musky fishing just fine. It is made for catching much larger fish than muskies.
If money wasn't an object, I would get the Trinidad 16N. I hate it when reality comes into play. If I get one it will be the Torium. |
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| i heard there is a levelwind coming out built like the trinidad. might want to wait for that ...just a thought |
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Location: Verona, WI | I just picked up a Daiwa Saltist STT30TH prior to the Milwaukee show as it has the same line pick up (47") and gear ratio (6.something to 1) as the Trinidad/Torium and has a narrow spool and a comparable price tag to the Torium. It got good reviews at Cabelas so we'll see. I was intimidated by the size/fear of not having a level wind but once I got it and played with it a little I can't wait to give it a shot.
Shane
Edited by ShaneW 2/18/2008 3:59 PM
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Location: Watertown, MN | Torium vs Trinidad. Bob T tried the torium the past fall and he is now going to the trinidad, the quality of reel is a big difference especially with the stress we put on them pull big blades. There is a big difference between the calcutta and corsair, same with morrum vs 6500, the big difference is that with a 1 pc machine body you can hold much tighter tolerances with a 3 pcs frame much more tolerance in the body flex, pcs loosening with the vibrations of the baits. They will work but will question how long. MOst guides are going with the trinidads, not much talk at all about using toriums.
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | Does the saltist come in a narrow spool like the TN 16 narrow?
If so, what is the model?
Doing some reading and it seems the narrow spool is easier to lay the line evenly and thereby avoid backlashes.
Was looking at the TOR, but does not come in narrow spool from what I am gathering.
Thanks,
Edited by Cowboyhannah 2/18/2008 10:36 PM
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| Shane
I ordered the Saltist 40H and now I'm worried I got the wrong size. I haven't got it yet and I ordered it off of seeing it on the net so I didn't get to compare the differant models. Did you see the 40H when you picked yours, and if so what is the size difference.
Does anyone know how big of difference it is to have the narrower spool versus the wider when you don't have the levelwind?
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Location: Verona, WI | M4L,
I didn't get a chance to compare models up front as I ordered mine on line. For a point of comparison, the spool on the STT30TH is only 1 1/8" wide. Measure yours and see how it compares.
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| Thanks Shane I will check it out.
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Location: Hugo, MN | This is still a $179.99 Reel, so the comparison to the corsair is way off. Would it be about like a Tekota in terms of quality? Tekotas seem to get a good review. Heck, I read the reviews on all kinds of saltwater fishing sites for the Torium, and the only bad points related to corrosion from the saltwater. Everyone else had good things to say regarding the speed and power, smoothness, and castability. I think I'll pick one up on Ebay for about $140 and give it a shot. It's not like I'm going to throw the #*^@ big blades all the time anyway. People seem to convince themselves that ONLY the expensive stuff is good enough. I've survived 15 years of muskie fishing with 6500C3's, and finally bought a few specialty reels last year. My Penn 975 rocks. My Okuma Convectors also rock. I refuse to pay four hundred dollars after tax for a reel that functionally does the exact same thing as another at half the price. The both are made for ocean fishing, for bigger, faster, meaner fish than the musky. I have no reason to believe that the Torium won't get the job done. I'll post my review after the season ends.
Edited by knooter 2/19/2008 10:53 PM
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | The Saltist STT 30TH is 23.2oz, STT40H is 24.4oz, way to heavy !!!! and the STT40H is not a narrow reel. The Trnidad TN16N is 20.0oz narrow spool and has a very good cast control. If you want to save some $$$ the only other reel is the FIN -NOR OFC16H, retails for $179.95 it has a narrow spool and has a cast control system. You have to get one with a narrow spool or you will spend all day long with birdnests. This a reel that you are not going use, only when you want to burn bucktails at mach speed. This style of reel with no levelwind is a B---H to cast. |
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Location: Cedar, MN | I like the Diawa reels for the quality and price but the STT30TH seems to be too heavy. I haven't held one but I would be afraid to order one and be disapointed with its weight. Does the reel seem a little large to you Shane compared too your other reels. How about palming it?
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Location: Verona, WI | Brad,
You could palm this reel but to Richard's point all of these saltwater reels are heavy.
Trinidad 16N - 20 oz
Torium 16 - 22 oz
Saltist STT30TH - 23 oz
As a comparison a Calcutta 300 TE is 13 oz. If I didn't throw a lot of Double 10s I wouldn't buy these reels - it's just too specialized an application. I don't get a ton of time on the water - last year about 150 hours - so spending the money on a Trinidad didn't make sense so I looked at the Torium and the Saltist. If I don't like them - off to Ebay they go.
By the end of last year I was only throwing DCGs and speed is a HUGE trigger in the daytime with these baits. My productivity on the water went up the minute I learned to burn these baits but so did the pain. This year I am going to live with more weight if I can get less pain.
I'll post a picture tonight of the Saltist in my hand so you can see the relative size.
Shane
Edited by ShaneW 2/20/2008 9:27 AM
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Location: Verona, WI | Here are three pictures of the Saltist. The first is me palming it on the reel, the second is of the reel sitting in the palm of my hand, and the third is a picture of it side by side with a Gander Mtn reel (avg size reel).
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Location: Sun Prairie, WI | Let me ask a general question regarding high speed reels for bucktails…will the fact that the gears on saltwater reels like the Trinidad that are large and strong offset some of the resistance when cranking in a double 10 or 13, or do these pull as hard as if someone was using something like an Abu 6500 whose gears are not as large and strong? |
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Location: Hugo, MN | Those Fin Nor reels look sweet! |
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Location: Watertown, MN | GTP888
The definiteyly make the job much easier, not cranking as hard to get speed, the gears reduce the resistance on pulling big blases.
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Location: Sun Prairie, WI | Troyz. - 2/21/2008 10:42 AM
GTP888
The definiteyly make the job much easier, not cranking as hard to get speed, the gears reduce the resistance on pulling big blases.
Troyz
Thanks Troy! I appreciate the reply!
Edited by gtp888 2/21/2008 11:37 AM
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| Trinidad 16N - 20 oz
Torium 16 - 22 oz
Saltist STT30TH - 23 oz
way to heavy !
the Abu 7000s that many people have used the last couple years are in the 20-22oz range depending on model, and are relatively bulky: big and wide.
a reel in the same weight category shouldn't be any more difficult to handle, and probably would be easier with the slightly more compact package / narrow spool. you aren't likely to notice an ounce one way or the other if the reel is well balanced on your rod.
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Location: Cedar, MN | The Fin nors do look good but they are heavier yet ,16's come in at 26oz.
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Location: Cedar, MN | Just got my Torium today but I might sell and get the saltist instead. I'M SO CONFUSED.
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| Bite the bullet Partner and get a Trinidad 16N!!! Can't have you being CONFUSED!!!! |
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Location: Cedar, MN | NO I REFUSE!!! |
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Location: London, England | Sounds like there's a lot of money being dropped on reels without levelwinds based on a couple of people claiming to use them with no difficulty. I predict a lot of nearly new reels for sale by the end of July.... |
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Location: Verona, WI | And that's exactly why I won't buy a Trinidad without using a lower priced alternative first. I would feel worse about buying a $400 reel that I am not happy with than buying a $150 reel that I am not happy with.
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Location: Wausau | I contacted the rep at Diawa about the Saltist and he said you have to use your thumb to guide the line on - does this sound correct? Can someone explain how?
Also - any line recommendations would be helpful as well - I started a thread about round line... |
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| Hey Shane,
When you have the Saltist in free spool, will cranking the handle ingage it or do you have to flip the lever back to ingage the spool?
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Location: Verona, WI | M4L,
You have to flip the lever to engage the spool. That will take some getting used to.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | TRINIDAD 16N, you must buy a narrow spool reel or you will be selling thoses wide spool reels when you birdnest every 3rd cast !!!!!!!! ReelSmart has a very good price on the 16N.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Agrimm and ShaneW u have a PM |
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | The shimano rep said he uses the Trinidad and, yes, guides the line with his thumb....pressing the line left to right with bottom right side of thumb, then 'reaching' with thumb (left side of nail) to guide it back from right to left again. |
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