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| WHICH IS THE BETTER BAIT.. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I personally like the weagle. I've used the others, but just for some reason like the weagle the best. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan | jackpot is a lot different. Weagle and homewrecker are pretty equal I think but more people fish the weagle im guessing. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I have fished all three alot, and like the Weagle the best for it's consistent fish catching, consistent action, and nice folks building and selling the lure. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I haven't used the other two, but I really liked the Weagle I used this year. It did a good job of catching fish, and is a VERY solid bait. People talk about screw eyes getting pulled out of Jackpots. I don't know if that really happens or not, but a Weagle could survive a bombing.
Very good hooking bait also. I had a few fish just totally miss the bait, but that happens with WTD baits. Any fish that hit the bait also hit the net. Has a great sound, works well in choppy water, just a great bait.
Also, if you have a question, you can come to this site and ask the baitmaker himself. I am very skeptical of "hype" type lures, and don't fall into hype. Weagle isn't hype, it's a good bait.
Saying all of that, I'm sure the other baits catch a lot of fish. The homewrecker is probably fairly similar to the Weagle in function. The Jackpot would be the most different - probably the most quiet.
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Location: oswego, il | Weagle all the way for me, love mine, so do the fish. |
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Location: The desert | Apples to Oranges to Bananas.
I'll toss a weagle most of the time though. |
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| Which one of these is the best "toosh" bait? |
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Location: Medford, WI | My favorite WTD is a Jackpot for sure, but I can't say much for this discussion as I've never used the other two (Homewrecker and Weagle).
I really look forward to the Weagle this summer and to see how different it is than other WTD's.
Nothing beats throwing a WTD on a nice, calm sunrise.
-Jake
P.S. I've never had the screw come out of a Jackpot, but I have heard that from other people as you mentioned. Not sure
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| I REALLY didn't like the Weagle at first, because of the weight, and the way it sits in the water. Was really hard for me to get the hang of working right. Once you nail that action, you won't fish another side to side topwater. I have fewer fish blow weagles out of the water than Jackpots, by far. I like jackpots, don't get me wrong, but I'd fish a weagle over a JP in almost any situation. |
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Location: Maryland | I havent had a chance too throw the homewrecker yet! How heavy is it? The weagle is a great wtd topwaterand cpnsistantly catches muskies. I have a couple jackpots and really do not like them. They tend too not wanna work right all the time and ride too high in the water. |
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| If you want to catch a fish, drive it nuts with the Weagle. One of the best baits at triggering a strike. Active fish simply can not leave it along.
If you are speed and power fishing, use a Jackpot as a "search" bait, much like a small burned bucktail.
I perfer the Weagle, and always have 4 or 5 of them in the boat with me at all times.
Weagle, large profile, slow presentation, great hook up percentages
Jackpot, smaller profile, fished faster, poor hook up percentages
Homewrecker is very inconsistent with proper weight since they are made out of "fruit trees" in China.
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Location: Columbus, Georgia | My experience has been:
Jackpot = good search bait (have another rig ready to throw).
Weagle = more hook ups
However; the Jackpot is much lighter and can be thrown forever. I get tired after about 30 minutes of throwing a Weagle.
Edited by cjrich 2/7/2008 8:14 AM
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA | what about the homewrecker none of you guys are talking about that one |
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Location: Grand Rapids MN | Never tossed a weagle but I'm thinking of breaking down this year and picking one up. Has there been a color pattern you guys have more confidence in than others in the weagle line up?
Thanks..... |
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Location: midwest | Black.... can't go wrong with the MOJO "Cash" color. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | most of the posts state a common theme of which i totally agree ... the jackpot and the weagle are used in two entirely different ways ... one is to cover water (jackpot) and the other is to trigger a known and located fish (weagle) ... i do the same thing as well, but i thought it would be good to note that my jackpots (search and cover baits) has been replaced by the maas maurauder by salmo ... it's a little heavier and i like the way it moves vs. the jackpot ... also, the black cherry color is really easy to see under low light conditions. it looks a little funny, but if you are a searcher with jackpots, give one a try and see what you think ... after throwing mine the first time it replaced the jackpot for that purpose.
there's nothing like a weagle fish!
as far as color .... black for me on all topwater baits. sound is your trigger and i don't buy into color on surface baits ... the contrast that comes from black and the water you are moving is plenty and any active fish will know you're there.
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Location: Illinois | I'll throw a weagle for the first time this year. Honestly, I do not throw WTD baits often so this year I'll try to more. I'm a short guy and in the past have had trouble working WTD with rods longer than 7'0". I've been using Docs mostly and was wondering what people thought of these WTD baits./? |
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| weagle is great in choppy/windy conditions, Homewrecker is different and not a knockoff/ripoff. That bait is my go to in calm conditions, 2 very different baits in my opinion. Both outstanding big fish baits, its all in how you use them. As far as jackpots go I catch alot of little fish on them, and I use either of the big ones as a search bait when called for. |
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| Has anyone on here used the Baby Weagle? What do you think of action/fish catching ability/early season bait or what? |
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| Has anyone on here used the Baby Weagle? What do you think of action/fish catching ability/early season bait or what?
it's a different bait than the standard Weagle, as it has a much more subtle action than it's big brother. a bit more side-side winding and head-bobbing rather than the dramatic swooshing of the full-size.
i like to use it when i want something a bit quieter and less aggressive.
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| lambeau - 2/7/2008 2:28 PM
Has anyone on here used the Baby Weagle? What do you think of action/fish catching ability/early season bait or what?
it's a different bait than the standard Weagle, as it has a much more subtle action than it's big brother. a bit more side-side winding and head-bobbing rather than the dramatic swooshing of the full-size.
i like to use it when i want something a bit quieter and less aggressive.
You can work it that way...
but you can also work it just like the standard Weagle and get the same SWOOSH...just a little tamer.
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Get all three and see for yourself, all good baits. |
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Location: New Brighton, MN | I'm a bit hesitant to buy so many different brands/color/sizes of the same action lure at this point in my muskie career.
How does the viper compare to these other WTD baits? |
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| very good versatile lure,you can use it really fast |
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Location: Davenport, IA | Doc...one of my favorite overall baits. Its loud, its consistent...and it catches fish. |
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| OK, OK I'LL BUY A BIG BLACK BAD MUSKIE CATCHING WEAGLE AT THE MILWAUKEE SHOW.... THANKS ALL YOU GUYS FOR THE INFO.. |
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Location: oswego, il | You have just made a wise choice that will bring a smile to your face this year. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Weagle. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It's interesting to see everyone's opinions. The 'search lure' thing baffles me...why would you use a lure to search and another lure to catch? If I think a fish is in the area, I have an idea where that fish should within a few casts and pitch a Weagle to her hoping for a hit. Many times that's exactly what I get. I don't use a 'search' bait, I use a lure I expect to catch a fish on, every time. It appears I am either over optimistic, or under utilizing a technique I need to learn more about.
My Jackpots got bit alot too, but rarely hooked up for me and alot of the time the fish miss entirely. The Weagle gets more hits and sticks them better for me. |
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Location: Medford, WI | I'm with Mr. Worrall on this one (about the whole "search lure" thing).
One thing that I've notice people do is work the jackpot really quick. I really like to slow it down and wait until it's almost not moving before I "walk" it back to the other side. I really like to use quick snaps so quite a bit of water is thrown. This is another thing that kind of goes along with working it fast, it's more of just a constant zigzag that never stops. I think this may be the reason many people have problems with them not getting hooked up.
The last bit of advice I have is to buy some longer screw-eyes and leave some of the threads sticking out so that the back hook sticks out further and the bottom hook hangs lower (deeper). I just started doing that this fall and caught 5 of 6 fish on the jackpot that I did it too. Could've just been luck, but I'll find out this year.
I'm still really looking forward to throwing the Weagle this year....nothing but good words about it.
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Location: Iowa | Giant Zara Spook...
Big Perc |
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| Steve, I think a lot of times people confuse the terms search, with a bait that they can use to cover a lot of water. If you hold true with what we've been taught by so many, you aren't casting to fishless water anyhow. Therefore you want to be throwing the bait with the highest ratio of hookups. Your confidence bait, so to speak. Personally if I am after a bait to cover a lot of water in a hurry, it generally isn't going to be a WTD topwater, if a topwater at all. Sometimes I might throw a chopper, or a Topraider/Rumbler, but most times when I am trying to cover a lot of water in a hurry (productive water) it is going to be a bladed bait. I think that's the general indicator of the term "search bait" that's being used. Can't say that I would use it in that manner, but OK.
WTD Topwaters, to me, are a bait that you are tossing, like Steve says, to a place that you suspect fish are (sometimes know). I'm not a guy that generally covers a lot of water with a Weagle, because I like to make them move back to me as little as possible, while maximizing the action of the bait, it has been more productive for me in that manner. Sometimes, sure, I find running it faster with minimal side to side is what fish want, but it is my bait of choice for sitting and "dancing" provoking a strike, if you will. I can't remember where I got that, that way of working it, if I could I would give credit where credit is due.
Anyhow, that's my take on it. High productive bait to cover lots of water = bucktail/glider/bobby. High hooking percentage bait to throw at that "spot on a spot" in the right conditions= Weagle. |
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Location: MPLS, MN | I've done much better with a jackpot. |
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Location: (South of the 218) | 45"
She wanted a Red and White Jackpot - and that's what she got....
look closely and you can still see it in her pretty little lips
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| Generally speaking a jackpot can be worked much more quickly than a weagle. "Searching" is a relative term. As an example, consider that it is approaching dusk on LOTW and you've got about 5 spots on your milkrun that you want to hit before heading back to camp. Let's also say that during the day you've been having some success with topwaters but the fish have been following prop baits, not eating them. This might be a good time to use a WTD topwater. If I am short on time and have several spots to hit, I might pick a jackpot because it can be worked more quickly through an area and therefore not slow me down so much, allowing me to hit all my spots and giving me greater odds to contact a biting fish. I might call this "searching". On the other hand, let's say that on one of these spots, I know that there a huge, huge fish I want to trigger. I would likely reach for a weagle instead of a jackpot, and very slowly and methodically work this spot. I wouldn't call that "searching" since I already know the fish is there and I want to trigger it, and I'm not concerned at all about getting to any other spot...... |
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| All these testimonials about the wonders de la Weagle...I see one or two of them in my future. Too much water, too many baits, so little time. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | if you fish a weagle like i fish a weagle steve you won't cover much water ... you understand the difference between baits that can fish spots to find active fish and then trigger baits ...
go fish a weedline with a hawg wobbler while your partner has a bucktail ...
it's a tactic used by many successfully ...
Edited by jonnysled 2/8/2008 7:45 PM
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Location: ashtabula ohio | ive only had experience with jackpots and i agree that it is not a good hooking bait. is the weagle more heavily weighted to keep it lower in the water than a jackpot? what the heck is the diff anyway..? ive always wanted one but they go for too much on ebay for me.. |
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| Doc's.
Both 7" and 9" work great for me. Favorite color is Black with some orange!
Awesome action and very consistent!!!!
Marty |
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| I just got a homewrecker. Hopefully gonna try it out this weekend along with a bunch of other baits. It looks good and has a large profile. |
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Location: Bloomington, IL | How does the Mag Spook or Super Mag Spook compare to these lures? |
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Location: Grand Rapids MN | Was thinking the same thing about the Spook.. see more and more people talking about it.. |
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| I'm not sure why the Weagle hooks up so much better than other zigzag topwaters other than the spacing of the three trebles and the fact fish seem to really eat the thing instead of blowing it out of the water. |
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| What kinda rods are you guys using with the weagle? It was bending my rod quite a bit so i didn't use as much as i would've liked to. |
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| I throw all my WTD topwaters on a 6'9", same as I fish my jerkbaits with. There are those who will say I'm stupid, can't cast accurately, have more fatigue than a 9'+ rod, but I don't really give a rats patoot. It works, and works well. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Some have said that you can work a Jackpot faster than a Weagle. That may be true, but I think it might be more true in comparing the old Nut Weagles to the New Mojo Weagles. I have a newer Mojo Weagle, and can work that thing pretty fast. I generally choose not to, but if you want to work it fast you can. The only limit to the speed is that a Weagle might wear you out faster than a Jackpot will while working it fast.
As far as rods, I think most guys are using 7'6"-8' MH rods. I use a MH 8' Gander Tournament Series. It's rated for 1.5-4 ounce baits and seems about right. I don't think you want a broomstick for working a Weagle. Something with a little tip bend seems to work pretty well. You still need a rod with a little beef to it for throwing a 4+ ounce bait and to work it properly, but it's not like you need a HEAVY rod to do it.
curleytail
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| Viper will soon become one of your favorite WTD lures. |
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