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| I write this email still not able to believe this happened to me Fishing last night I had what was one of the biggest fish I ever seen on this lake hit about 10 feet from rid tip my lure felt funny and went to feeling nothing but haevy weight. Though the fish got close to the boat I was only able to make out a shadow of the fish which was well over 45 inches( i.e. a ligit 50). after two runs the fish cork screwed the line went slack and all that came back was a uncliped leader, I never saw the lure so I don't know how bad she was hooked but i feel horrible I stayed in the area with a spot light to see if the lure came up (no luck there). one awful sleepless night, last night. Karl |
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Location: Breezy Point, MN | I am real sorry to hear about your unfortunate incident, and it was a similar situation that made Joe Bucher start using heavy duty split rings in place of a snap a long time ago. He lost the fish of a lifetime in the French River years ago that still haunts him to this day. I use 165 lb. wire leaders with #6 or 7 Super Split Rings (Spro or Bucher Tackle make great ones) on vitually all of my set ups, with the exception of smaller crank baits where I downsize on my leader size and use a #5 Super Split Ring because smaller cranks are quite leader sensitive for proper action. I hope this information helps and I feel your pain. Good luck! |
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| Hey Tom
What do you use for the snap, this is what failed.
Thanks
Karl
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Location: Chicago | What he is saying is he does not use any snaps, just split rings. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Tom is right. I do it a little differently because I like the 120# wire so I use a solid ring in the leader loop and a split ring attached to that in place of the snap. Here's a pic: 
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Location: Wishin I Was Fishin' | I like the idea of a solid ring Will.
I loose a few baits every year to the leader working it's way off the split ring. Mostly gliders. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Jomusky - 11/19/2007 12:40 PM
I like the idea of a solid ring Will.
I loose a few baits every year to the leader working it's way off the split ring. Mostly gliders.
The first ones I built about 15 years ago were split ring only and I had that problem too. Luckily it was with a suick and I got it back but I knew needed to find a solution. I wasn't going back to snaps ever again after a similar story to Karl's. The solid ring makes this the best leader to lure connection I've been able to find. |
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| How do you change lures? Do you keep a leader on every bait and retie to the lure when you want to change? |
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| Guest - 11/19/2007 11:51 AM
How do you change lures? Do you keep a leader on every bait and retie to the lure when you want to change?
split ring on every bait and attach the split ring to the leader |
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Location: The desert | Use a split ring pliers to open up the split ring and take the bait off. Then run the split ring back onto the solid ring on the leader.....pretty simple. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Guest - 11/19/2007 12:51 PM
How do you change lures? Do you keep a leader on every bait and retie to the lure when you want to change?
Unlike others I don't put a split ring on every bait. That method works well too, I just haven't wanted to put rings on a few hundred lures. Changing the splitring from lure to lure isn't a problem with a pair of splitring pliers. I get a lot of changes from each splitring before it needs to be replaced. In fact I usually need to tie a new leader, a few times, before changing the ring. The Bucher rings that Tom mentioned have great memory and it takes a lot to stress them. Even a ring that has been changed from lure to lure 50 times is much stronger than a snap. |
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Location: lansing, il | i use solid rings on fluoro too. that way the fluoro doesnt get nicked up splitringing baits on and off. plus if you get lazy and want to go back to a snap you can slip on a stringease very easily.
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Location: MPLS, MN | Who makes a good split ring pliers? thanks |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | I like the Rapala pliers the best. Your local Gander, Bass Pro or Cabela's will have them and even most smaller shops carry them. |
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | hey i was fishing pewaukee yesterday and didnt see a fish all day consider your self lucky, jk, sorry to hear about that and i hope the fish is alright, i know how you feel |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | I think it's a waste of time to bother with split rings, I use stay lok snaps and I have never lost fish or lure due to faulty snaps. Just have to make sure they are strong enough and change them when needed which isn't that often. I actually think a split ring will get worn out much faster then a snap as it gets stressed every time it's opened to change lures where as a good snap never gets opened to a point where it stretches the metal. A good stay-lok snap will open and close without putting any wear on it.
Be careful out there as there are now copies of the stay-lok and they are cheap and wear out fast as they need to be opened to fit onto lure. I was able to tell they were fakes the first time I used one as they are back wards from the original and only stay-lok snaps. As well even though they look the same size the metal is a lot weaker. |
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| I am thinking about switching to spit rings too. A friend of mine did and he changes his lures just as fast as he used to. |
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| collin you are so right....... |
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Location: SE, WI. | Karl; Saw you out yesterday. I stuck a 41" just west of you when you went by. Headbangers are done. I know you want one after you stuck that 46" last month on a headbanger!!! You deserve better. You spend tons of time out there! What bait did it hit? I'll look for it floating!!! JIM |
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| I don't open a split ring every time that I change lures. All of my lures have a split ring on them. My leaders have a loop on one end, and either a solid ring to tie to or a ball bearing swivel on the other. The wire wears thin before the split ring. I'm using the Bucher rings or the stainless equivilent to the olive. I carry a spool of wire in the boat with me. Takes about 2 minutes to make a new leader. When the wire kinks or gets worn on the business end, I cut it off and spinn up another if I don't have any ready. Never lost a fish to a swivel, but lost a few large gliders. Never had a split ring open. I think that a lot of failure is due to a weak snap not being changed. We become complacent. I know since the advent of "super lines", I don't change my line nearly as much as I used to when I was throwing Musky Master. Have to be on the look out for weak links, and eliminate them. |
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Location: On the water | Does anyone have the name, address and phone number
where these solid rings can be ordered?
Thanks, Tom |
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| Thorne Bros. 763-572-3782 |
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Location: Watertown, MN | I would just make sure you are using stinggrease locks, and I don't use split ring on leaders unless they are needed, in those situations I use the solid split rings on my leaders. I make my own leaders, pretty easy, also I throw away my snaps once they start to feel soft when closing them, don't take chances with them failing because they will. I use to just use split ring for attaching all my baits to my leader but had leaders work their way throught the split rings.
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Location: Bemidji/Cass Lake | I use split rings too. Never lost a fish either way, but ring is completly locked and taking 10 extra secs to change a bait is of no concern to me. The Bucher ones are the way to go. In fact I change ALL split rings on everything to those. They wont fail, nor have I ever heard of one failing. People using splitrings as leader-to-lure generally seem to only be using Buchers as well. Most of my fishing partners still use a snap and that's perfectly fine. Confidence is what's important.
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| What is the advantage to the solid rings? I only use split rings. Just wondering. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | bustinlips - 11/20/2007 3:13 PM
What is the advantage to the solid rings? I only use split rings. Just wondering.
The solid ring keeps the wire from working into the split ring. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | I have a little pair of red handled split ring pliars that I bought fron Rollie and helens about 12 years ago. I think they might be Knipex brand. I have a couple pairs of Rapalas too for over the side of the boat work(where I don't mind losing a pair), but use my 'good' ones whenever I can. If you can find a pair of these hardened red handle jobs, get them.... and let me know 'cause I'd like another pair too! |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | If you're going to work with split rings often the Xuron tool is by far the best. Fortunately I'm blessed with thick thumbnails so I rarely use splitring pliers but if I was a lure manufacturer the Xuron would be my choice. |
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| Jim that's right I owe you a pic don't I ....attached
also sent you a PM |
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| now it's attached i think i have a better one some where this pic suck
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| PIC IS TOO BIG
JIM SEND ME YOUR E-MAIL AND I'LL SEND YOU THE PIC |
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