career related to muskie
fish4musky1
Posted 10/30/2007 12:08 PM (#281836)
Subject: career related to muskie





Location: Northern Wisconsin
what are some cool jobs that allow you to fish alot or are related to muskie?
Pointerpride102
Posted 10/30/2007 12:13 PM (#281839 - in reply to #281836)
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Posts: 16632


Location: The desert
Fisheries Technician, Biologist, Manager etc. You have to be really commited to wanting to do it though as there is a lot of school work related to getting there. You better be good at math, chemistry and all forms of biology. You are more than welcome to come visit UWSP and sit in some classes with me if you want. I could also get you in front of some people to show you what each year of school would be like as far as class wise. You might not get to 'specialize' in musky but landing a field job gets you on the water almost every day and puts fish in your hands almost every day. Also, dont be hoping for a big income in this field, you wont get it. That said I wouldnt change my field of study for anything.
sworrall
Posted 10/30/2007 12:16 PM (#281840 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Posts: 32890


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
There really are not many. Guiding, I suppose, but not everyone is cut out for that career path. Fishing industry jobs are many times 6 to 7 days a week with little time off. Educate yourself for a job where you have a good chance at LOTS of time off and big incomes, those are the folks who HIRE the Guides.
esoxaddict
Posted 10/30/2007 12:17 PM (#281844 - in reply to #281836)
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not many you can actually make a living at... Probably the closest thing would be guiding, but unless you're either already wealthy or married to someone with a great job, I wouldn't count on earning enough to get by. I figured it out once, figured the best you could do was about $75k. Subtract your truck payment, boat payment, insurance payment, constant need for replacement gear, taxes, etc and you're lucky to bring home $600 a week.
mikie
Posted 10/30/2007 12:50 PM (#281857 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Location: Athens, Ohio
tying bucktails. m
agrimm
Posted 10/30/2007 1:13 PM (#281862 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Posts: 427


Location: Wausau
Go to college for a degree(s) in the educational field...teacher: classroom, Phy.Ed, behavioral, cognitive and/or learning disabilities, or pupil services as a guidance counselor (which is what I do), school psy. or social worker. No work from Mid June - Late August, Fall break (third Thursday/Friday of October), Thanksgiving, Xmas/New Years, and Spring Break/Easter. You'll have the prime times to spend on the water with no other responsibilites if you're single.
Marc J
Posted 10/30/2007 2:40 PM (#281881 - in reply to #281862)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Posts: 313


Location: On your favorite spot
Get a job at a bank, work 4 days a week, get tons of holidays off, and fish the rest of the time.
Pepper
Posted 10/30/2007 3:02 PM (#281882 - in reply to #281844)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




Posts: 1516


Did I misunderstand esoxaddict when he said the best the muskie guide could do is gross 75,000.00 year? From that comes taxes and boat and truck payment and equipment? I would venture to guess there are lots of guys on this board that don't earn anything close to $75,000 per year. That sounds like pretty good earnings to me.
Pointerpride102
Posted 10/30/2007 3:06 PM (#281883 - in reply to #281882)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Posts: 16632


Location: The desert
Read his post again.....he said after subtracting truck, boat and taxes etc that you would be lucky to bring home $600 a week. Strange....that sounds like what my income will be, I may never get off eating raman noodles...:(
esoxhunter951
Posted 10/30/2007 3:07 PM (#281884 - in reply to #281857)
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Posts: 129


mikie - 10/30/2007 12:50 PM

tying bucktails. m




making double cowgirls!
DEMolishedyou2
Posted 10/30/2007 3:09 PM (#281885 - in reply to #281882)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Posts: 434


Location: Omaha, Nebraska
I would say guiding, teaching, lure builder, own a small business, or you could own a resort on your favorite lake. Good luck!
Guest
Posted 10/30/2007 3:17 PM (#281887 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: RE: career related to muskie


get married to a rich chick and forget the job
esoxaddict
Posted 10/30/2007 3:28 PM (#281889 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Posts: 8788


Pepper, I figured it based on 250 days OTW at $300/day. That's your gross salary. Knock off 25% for taxes, you're down to $56,250, or $4687/month.

Truck Payment: $450/Month
Boat Payment: $450/Month
Truck Insurance: $65/Month
Boat Insurance: $65/Month
Misc broken/lost/worn out equipment: $200/month

total monthly expenses: $1230, leaving you with $3457. Not bad eh? Except you forgot to buy GAS. Figure combined 75 gallons a week for boat and truck, at $3/gallon that's another $900 right there. $2557 left per month = $639.25/week in your pocket. Not pretty. Of course you DO get to be on the water a lot. A LOT.

And Demolished -- a resort??? LMAO!!! First off, where do you get the money to BUY it? And do you know anyone who actually owns/runs a resort? That's a 7 day/week job right there, no fishing for you!



Edited by esoxaddict 10/30/2007 3:30 PM
kap n jim
Posted 10/30/2007 3:33 PM (#281891 - in reply to #281889)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




Posts: 5


Fishformuskie....if you get it figured out let me know, I have been asking myself that question for the past year, LOL!
JohnMD
Posted 10/30/2007 3:34 PM (#281892 - in reply to #281889)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Posts: 1769


Location: Algonquin, ILL
Jeff your equation is flawed, you did not take into account

Bad Weather Days
Customer No Shows
Health Insurance
Boat / Truck Maintenence, and I'm sure other stuff as well

This will all lower your spendable income drastically

Guest
Posted 10/30/2007 3:42 PM (#281896 - in reply to #281892)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie


Like to fish? And when I say "fish" I mean actually go where you want to go, when you want to go (within reason), and be able to afford to do it in a decent boat with decent equipment?

A few careers that allow you to do that: dentist, pilot, firefighter, teacher. I'm sure there are others, but when I think of decent income + lots of time off, those are the careers that come to mind.
RiverMan
Posted 10/30/2007 4:14 PM (#281901 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




Posts: 1504


Location: Oregon
Take it from someone who's been a biologist for 20 years, there is no "easy path" to fishing happiness. I would not recommend the profession of a fish bio to anyone, it requires alot of education followed by no guarantee for employment. I'm not saying you can't do it, but be prepared to work seasonal positions for many years before landing something permanent and be ready to move virtually anywhere in the nation to work. My recommendation? Get a master's in business, it will open a ton of doors for you.

Jed V.
Bikini Bait Co.
bluegill
Posted 10/30/2007 5:41 PM (#281916 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




Posts: 199


Location: Sandusky, OH
Let me add to what Jed said. In addition to the higher education with generally low prospects of permanent employment directly out of school, there is also the typically low wage when compared to equally educated people in other fields. I work for a great paying state, but when I see what other people are pulling down with the same or less time in school as me, I wonder if education really makes you smarter LOL! Now, the job is fantastic, and loving what you do goes a long way towards a happy life, but if working with muskies is your calling, there really are very few fisheries jobs out there that even offer that opportunity, and even if you work for a state with good musky populations, the work with that species is rarely exclusive. If muskies are your one and only interest, I'd get educated in a field with high demand that lets you pick where you live, like a pharmacist (really high demand and great pay).

If you are interested in pursuing a career in natural resource management, contact me and we can talk about my experiences. Wouldn't hurt to spend a couple days with your local fisheries biologists during the summer to really see what its like.

Eric
muskycore
Posted 10/30/2007 5:42 PM (#281918 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: RE: career related to muskie





Posts: 341


Daily chronicles chasing the world record.
Summer location:
Job description: Getting paid to hunt 24x7 and capture the next world record muskie. You pick the destinations and document them by video and daily journal. 500.00 a day expense allowance, boat, gear, truck, female filming crew included.

Winter relocation:
Chasing world record Tarpon in the Keys and surrounding islands.
Same perks but filming crew wears bikinis.

If any of you know this to exist and need a monkey boy to fetch your rods, scotch or cigars I'm the man!
DEMolishedyou2
Posted 10/30/2007 6:35 PM (#281933 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: RE: career related to muskie





Posts: 434


Location: Omaha, Nebraska
fish4musky1 - 10/30/2007 12:08 PM

what are some cool jobs that allow you to fish alot or are related to muskie?


Esoxaddict he said, "or related to muskie?", so I thought being a resort owner, he would be talking to guests and guides about musky fishing all of the time. I know it is a lot of work, but some people enjoy it. I never said he was going to be able fish a lot. I have no clue where he is going to find the money, maybe he will marry rich or inherit a bunch of money. It definetly wasn't a top choice of mine, but I was just throwing out ideas.

Edited by DEMolishedyou2 10/30/2007 6:36 PM
dougj
Posted 10/30/2007 6:57 PM (#281935 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: RE: career related to muskie





Posts: 906


Location: Warroad, Mn
Very Hard to do and still make a living.

Guiding is very low income, and subject to muskie population fluctuations and yearly weather changes on the waters that you fish, which is probably very common. If general (from what I can tell) you need to be single, or have some other source of income to be a muskie guide, and expect to make ends meet.

Best bet is to find a good job with lots of time off. Then travel to the best muskie bite when it happens.

As mentioned school teaching is a good occupation for a full time muskie fisherman. Most guides, and good successful muskie fishermen that I know are school teachers, and have the summers off. Fishery biology will put you on the water a lot, but you'll rarely see a muskie.

Doug Johnson
DEMolishedyou
Posted 10/30/2007 7:02 PM (#281938 - in reply to #281933)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Posts: 408


Location: Omaha, Nebraska
Also not necessarily on the water all the time but you could always start up your own musky tackle store.... build it next to a lake and you’re all set. It would be expensive and the start and a lot of hard work but defiantly musky related.

Eric



Edited by DEMolishedyou 10/30/2007 7:03 PM
Steve Jonesi
Posted 10/30/2007 7:08 PM (#281941 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




Posts: 2089


$75 a week for gas????? Not on Mille Lacs and not in a 620. 51 gallons in the boat(and another $35-40 for a gallon of XD-100 oil) and 44 gallons of diesel in the truck.An easy $300 if I get the RED Twins(Marbs and Red Bull).Oh, and the powerhead I blew a month ago on an 06(covered under warranty) still cost me $1000 out of pocket. LOL.Good thing I can laugh now.Wasn't too funny a couple weeks ago.

Missed guide date-$400
Prop they said I had to have to keep warranty-$200 used
Oil-$74.95
Time and Fuel running back and forth-$300

Helping people fulfill their Muskie Dreams..........PRICELESS
happy hooker
Posted 10/30/2007 7:09 PM (#281942 - in reply to #281938)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




Posts: 3149


Jobs related to muskie fishing??

Id say become a lawyer specializing in domestic law,,,how many muskie anglers are in divorce or bankrupcy
TTurn
Posted 10/30/2007 7:14 PM (#281943 - in reply to #281933)
Subject: RE: career related to muskie





Posts: 91


Ask Herbie!
muskie_man
Posted 10/30/2007 8:32 PM (#281960 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Posts: 1237


Location: South Portsmouth, KY
Take up a union trade like i am doing such as a pipefitter,electrican,boilermaker or another union trade. yea you might have to take 5 years of apprenticeship but after that 5years you can travel anywhere you want to work(time it with a hot fishin bite in a certain area and hitch up your boat and take it with you) and get paid very good. An in the time between jobs(layoffs) you can get some extra fishin time in!
Clark A
Posted 10/30/2007 8:36 PM (#281961 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: RE: career related to muskie




Posts: 623


Location: Bloomington, MN
Fish4musky1...The BIG Question(s)...How old are you??? If you are under the age of 30 (not married and don't have any baby human things)? I would shoot for the abject poverty goal in a New York minute. I would bet that at least 10% of the posters here would love nothing to do but fish for the elusive muskellunge, and try their darndest to make a living off of it. I had my opportunities, and passed them up for the "What is soceity going to think?" reasons. I unfortunately opted for marrying Chuckles "The Ex-Wonder wife!". You probably will go belly up in the short run, but it could be a fun ride(then write a book about your adventure...most of us all have lived "Time on the Water" in the bathroom). If you are married and have kids, you are putting more than yourself at risk. I'm 45 years old (not married & no kids), and can't do what is physically needed to be Mr. Muskie God guide. If I wanted to make a quick $ in the sales world, I would be selling semi-rusted out Ford Aerostars in questionable neighborhoods instead of hawking Bobbie Baits to Quickie Marts. If you are young without any of the aforementioned sea anchors of life, are your parents loaded? There are quite a few of the current Muskie gods that have come from VERY well to do families, or got GREAT stock tips (not hair style tips) that have allowed them to be where they are today. Am I jealous, He!! yes!! It takes $ to make $, unless you are incredibly lucky/intelligent. Making it "BIG" financially in the muskie world is about equivalent to succeeding in the collecting, and then possible amplified sales profit on small green plastic Army Soldiers! Good Luck!

Edited by Clark A 10/30/2007 8:55 PM
sworrall
Posted 10/30/2007 8:40 PM (#281962 - in reply to #281836)
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Posts: 32890


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Clark,
That is about the funniest post of 2007.
Smokin Joe
Posted 10/30/2007 8:48 PM (#281963 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




Posts: 311


I agree with Steve, I'm still laughing @ "The ex-wonder wife"...................
muskihntr
Posted 10/30/2007 8:51 PM (#281964 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




Posts: 2037


Location: lansing, il
musky fishing is such a small portion of the fishing industry it would be hard to make a living doing anything only musky related. careful what you choose. just because you are doing somthing related to fishing or musky fishing doesnt mean it wont keep you from being able to go fishing when the time comes if you are sucessful at it. thus your back to square 1, too busy working to take off and go fishing!
muskyboy
Posted 10/30/2007 9:05 PM (#281965 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie


My Dad was a teacher so he could have summers off to fish. I still think fisheries biologist is best and then work right here in the great state of IL to get more muskies stocked!
Pointerpride102
Posted 10/30/2007 9:12 PM (#281967 - in reply to #281965)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Posts: 16632


Location: The desert
I agree with what has all been said here. If I wanted to fish a ton I'd be looking at teaching Math or something like that. But I enjoy working with fish and working to preserve the resource. I could care less about money, I've accepted the fact that I am going to be poor, but if I get to be outside just about every day and work in the water all the time I'll be happy. I'll fish when I can. I've worked the union trade jobs and I cant stand it, I'd much rather do what I know I love doing....I think that is what you need to consider F4....Do you want a job you are going to hate showing up at every day? Or do you want a job that you dont mind going to and actually enjoy?
Slamr
Posted 10/30/2007 9:21 PM (#281968 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Posts: 7049


Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs
Muskie board moderator (aka, livin the dream, just electronically)
The Tax Man
Posted 10/31/2007 4:14 AM (#282003 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: RE: career related to muskie


25 % for taxes ??? What State is that, I want to move !

As a self-emoloyed person, you will be paying self employment tax and the other half of the SS contribution paid by your current employer, 50% would be more realisitic.

Expect that to rise when Madame Hillary is annointed President by all you blue staters out there.

Vince Weirick
Posted 10/31/2007 6:24 AM (#282012 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: RE: career related to muskie





Posts: 1060


Location: Palm Coast, FL
Also...in order to guide 250 full days, you would have to fish more than one area/state (i.e. closed seasons, warm water temps, ice). I guide part time and love doing it. It is a passion for me to not only catch them myself, but to also see the faces of the people catching their first one, personal best, father/son outings, etc. Guiding is not for everyone. I have had many people tell me there is no way the would have the patience to take someone out and fix their backlashes all day.
Jomusky
Posted 10/31/2007 2:07 PM (#282152 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




Posts: 1185


Location: Wishin I Was Fishin'
I have come to the conclusion that I wouldn't want the pressure of success being a Musky Guide. I like to fish for fun...that is why I don't do any big $$ tourneys anymore too.

I would do the school teacher or firefighter thing if I had to do it all over. Actually I would go into the Coast Guard for the first few years out of high school with emphasis on firefighting, travel a bit and have a blast on the water...then I would become a firefighter in the civilian world. Have a family with a wife that loves musky fishing and fish my butt off. Hey it's my dream.
GOTONE
Posted 10/31/2007 2:31 PM (#282161 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Posts: 476


Location: WI
I used to think mortgage brokers could fish anytime they wanted too, and wondered if they ever worked!
sorenson
Posted 10/31/2007 4:25 PM (#282183 - in reply to #282161)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Posts: 1764


Location: Ogden, Ut
Being a biologist is all well and good, but as some have mentioned, you won't get rich. Big deal. It's still a great job. The downsides of being a biologist have nothing to do with money. First, the jobs are highly competitive and you really have to be at the top of your game to land a good one. Second, unless you have a job lined up that is specifically muskie-related, the likelihood of getting to do much with muskies (on a nation-wide basis) is pretty remote. Unless you can swing a pet project or two... . Third, you should either have, or develop a skin thicker than an old leather boot because pretty much everyone who has ever purchased a fishing license will have a 'better idea'; and they're not at all shy about letting you know that you really don't know much about anything.
Most biologists that I know have all but quit fishing and/or hunting. Much of the fun has gone out of it for them. My guess is that there's other things involved than just a career choice, but the fact remains that when you keep getting berated by a user group that you deal with, the easy way out is to distance yourself from them. You can't do that on a professional basis, so you tend to do it on a personal and recreational basis.
The upsides about being a biologist include reasonably good benefits, freedom of scheduling, more vacation time than you can use, and lots of cool uniform items that can be traded for muskie baits! LOL
It's fun and rewarding most of the time, but if I were to choose a vocation based upon it's relationship to my desired recreational activity (i.e., fisheries biologist and muskie fishing), I think I'd choose something else.
S.
BALDY
Posted 10/31/2007 4:37 PM (#282188 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




Posts: 2378


You can come make Weagles for me.

You can live in my garage for free (it's heated), I'll pay you $2 an hour, and you can go fishing as much as you want as long as you get baits done when I tell you to.

Sound good?

Didn't think so.
RiverMan
Posted 10/31/2007 7:23 PM (#282238 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




Posts: 1504


Location: Oregon
Although there are some biologists that actually practice "fish biology", nearly all that I know and work with spend nearly all of their time at the computer or attending meetings. When I was going to college I can clearly remember saying to fellow students "the money doesn't matter", "I just want to be happy". How naive of me! It's hard to be happy if you aren't making good money! I do make a decent living now but again I spent 7 years in college and have been doing this for 20 years.

I spend literally 90+ percent of my time sitting at a computer writing various reports, securing additional cost share funding, or attending meetings. The days of walking along the lake or sampling along a stream still happen for some bios but most field work is completed by technicians and entry level biologists that also make "entry level salaries".

Maybe this is for you but be aware that you are likely in for a minimum of 5 years of seasonal work after 5 years of college. If you want to get into research you will need a master's degree which means an additional 3 years of school. If you pencil it out, you will find that it's very difficult to justify all the additional education for the pay one receives.

One more thing to think about......it sounds as if you are interested in working with musky. As a fisheries bio, you have to go where the jobs are at and many of the jobs involve salmon. Many rivers in the west have populations of salmon listed under the Endangered Species Act. The ESA brings with it tons of funding and lots of jobs. At least 1/3rd of the guys I work with here in Oregon are from the midwest.

Jed V.





Edited by RiverMan 10/31/2007 8:00 PM
JRedig
Posted 10/31/2007 8:22 PM (#282251 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




Location: Twin Cities
As someone who has taken several passions/interests and tried to make careers out of them, go get a well paying job/degree and do something that interests you enough to want to do it, but not something you truly enjoy doing. I always end up submersing myself to the point of disgust with the pursuit. Turning what I loved to do into a job took ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL the fun out of it, eventually. Currently i'm in progress of a degree and something that will allow me to afford what i'd like to do some of the time. I don't need to win the lottery (hahaha yeah right of course I do!!), but a nice new triton or ranger every few years sure would be nice!

husky_jerk
Posted 11/1/2007 5:07 AM (#282275 - in reply to #282251)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




Posts: 305


Location: Illinois
As someone who hires and evaluates teachers, I would like to point out one thing; People who join the teaching ranks for summers off generally don't make very good teachers. Listen, I'm not saying it is rocket science, but the right attitude can make all the difference. Who makes the best teachers? It's the people who leave the private sector to pursue a career in teaching. Don't become a teacher unless you enjoy all kids, even the difficult. Also, be prepared to deal with parents who will fight you on every issue. The days of "the teacher is always right" are long gone. Many times, no matter what the evidence or situation, parents will advocate for their children at any cost. In other words, it takes a certain attitude to do your job well, and unless you have that attitude going in, you won't stay around long. If it's something that truly interests you, let me know if I can help, and I would be happy to do so.

Edited by husky_jerk 11/1/2007 5:11 AM
tomyv
Posted 11/1/2007 5:08 AM (#282276 - in reply to #282251)
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Posts: 1310


Location: Washington, PA
Sales.
Grunt Lures
Posted 11/1/2007 6:09 AM (#282289 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Posts: 786


Location: Minnesota
Don't make lures! This was my worst year for getting out as my weekends were full making Grunts. Also don't have kids! LOL Well, when they get a little older it may help increase my time on the water but not when they are 2 and 3...

I think young, single, rich muskie guide would be the "job" for me to help get me on the water more
stephendawg
Posted 11/1/2007 6:31 AM (#282290 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: RE: career related to muskie




Posts: 1023


Location: Lafayette, IN
I gave up self-employment for the factory life. Great benefits, 27 days off plus paid vacations and because I remained blue collar I don't have a growing "in basket" on the days I take off. Does factory life fulfill me? Not a chance. But taking care of my family and having time off with them when I want is "Priceless!" Oh, and I get to fish about as much as I want. It all boils down to priorities.
Steve (Dawg)

Edited by stephendawg 11/1/2007 6:32 AM
jonnysled
Posted 11/1/2007 6:33 AM (#282291 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





Posts: 13688


Location: minocqua, wi.
just get a talent, then a great job with flexibility, then a blackberry ... your office has now just become wherever you are at the time and there's no reason it shouldn't be on the boat. make sure to treat your responsibilities with the appropriate priorities and then you start living life.

the talent piece is the tough part ... become good or trained or experienced at something that is both needed and something that is unique ...

with all of this said, your first thing to do is go to school, study hard and do well. the rest of it comes later in life after you've paid your dues ...
musky-skunk
Posted 11/1/2007 6:54 AM (#282292 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: RE: career related to muskie





Posts: 785


Get a teaching job, or move to a "musky town" with some good lakes and find a job thats over at 3-4:00 p.m. and fish five nights a week, and weekends!

That or be a REALLY good musky fisherman with some money to get you started.
Professional Edge
Posted 11/1/2007 7:34 AM (#282300 - in reply to #281964)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




Posts: 401


Would it be possible to make it as a rod builder full time? Maybe. Others have. But I never will. It would take the fun out of building sticks. Depending on the next sale to feed your family adds a bunch of pressure. I have intentions of doing more full time rod building but it will be when I can retire.

I have been blessed with a growing business but with that comes added stress which can take the fun out of it. I learned that this year when I was put behind the 8 ball not having product during my normal build time (winter). This meant I did more summer building then I have ever done before, which took fishing time away. Two years ago I did not build a stick from June to September. I might be back to that in 08.

I would take the advice from a guy like Doug J. He has seen a bunch of people come and go in the business. Agrimm you are living the dream.
Larry Ramsell
Posted 11/1/2007 8:27 AM (#282312 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




Posts: 1291


Location: Hayward, Wisconsin
Another thing to consider in Jeff's "250 day OTW"...for those days to be "booked guiding days" is nearly impossible, even for the best in the business. It takes years to get well established. And unless you are flexible and able to move, what do you do when your established clientele decides to move on to the next "hot bite" such as has happened to my guide business. Unless you move to that "hot bite" (as some have done), you loose. I have lost about 80% of my old clients/guide business in the past 5 years! I'm too old to keep moving around chasing the "Holy Grail", but it is certainly something for those contemplating the guide business to think about and consider. Thank goodness I don't have a wife to support and get a stipend from SS.

And another thing. Guiding is WORK! Having to "go" when you don't feel good or the weather is bad, or... can really take the FUN out of it! Take it from someone who has "been there".
MuskyStalker
Posted 11/1/2007 12:00 PM (#282384 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





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I looked into going to UWSP for the fisheries dept. great school, but I ran away crying when I saw starting wages around 18,000/yr...if you were lucky. hats off to those who do it.
Pointerpride102
Posted 11/1/2007 12:57 PM (#282393 - in reply to #282384)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





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Location: The desert
MuskyStalker - 11/1/2007 12:00 PM

I looked into going to UWSP for the fisheries dept. great school, but I ran away crying when I saw starting wages around 18,000/yr...if you were lucky. hats off to those who do it.


HAHA! Pretty low isnt it! I've found a new passion for Raman noodles and have developed some pretty nice recipes to use with them. I never expect to live in a big house, drive a decked out truck or run the fanciest boats. I expect to have many bills, strugle to pay them, and not enough money to buy the latest and greatest baits, rods and reels. But I cant see myself doing anything else...Construction (couple of trades), been there done that, gained a nice vocabulary though. Farming, been there done that, never again. Other random jobs that were no fun. To me money isnt everything. I cant take it with me when I die, so why store up more than I can spend.....I'd rather spend more than I have, then die.
esox50
Posted 11/1/2007 3:14 PM (#282426 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





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Fish4,

I've had to wrestle with this thing called "career choice" for a while now. I'm going to PM you with my thoughts instead of ramble on here.
ghitierman
Posted 11/1/2007 3:43 PM (#282433 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





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Forget a job that is related to Musky fishing, and get a job that allows you to work while musky fishing. There are a lot of commission sales positions that allow a flexible spending account for pursuing sales. For example sales professionals in the pharmaceuticals field are alloted a certain amount of money for entertaining doctors in order to persuade them into buying their drugs. However this particular event is on the downfall as the FDA tremendously frowns on this sort of special treatment. I used to know a guy that either fished or golfed every day of the summer and wrote it all off as work expenses. He also put all of those expenses that he was compensated for on his Cabella's VISA and in turn bought new tackle every year with the points he earned. Thus my pursued major in Marketing and Sales.
ghitierman
Posted 11/1/2007 3:50 PM (#282435 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





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Hey Muskyboy when did Illinois become a "great state" I didn't even know it was a good state or at that an ok state. Illinois sucks, GO PACK
Dave N
Posted 11/1/2007 4:31 PM (#282442 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: RE: career related to muskie




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If your singular passion is musky fishing, and you think that will never change, then becoming a fishery biologist may not be the best route to maximizing your time on the water for musky. Here's why. Good fishery scientists are extremely curious by nature. They seek to understand the complex relationships among ALL the species they manage, not just one high-profile predator. Spending the time needed to PERFECT one's musky fishing knowledge and skills would take time away from other pursuits, such as analyzing and reporting your own multi-species data, critically reading the published reports of others, seeking to influence policy, and fishing for other species that are JUST as interesting as muskellunge to a real fishery ecologist. There are only a handful of professional fishery biologists in North America who spend the bulk of their time thinking about and working with muskellunge exclusively.

Folks like me spend an enjoyable percentage of their time thinking about and working with muskellunge. But we're just as likely to be evaluating movement and harvest mortality of lake sturgeon; or estimating walleye density so we can set harvest restrictions consistent with our goals; or buying land to preserve critical habitat; or commenting on proposed developments in order to minimize their potentially negative impact on aquatic habitat. If we do our jobs well, we share our knowledge (written plans, reports, and news releases) and spend time meeting with people of all persuasions -- listening carefully and trying to establish and achieve fishery management goals that are in the overall best interest. That balancing act is not for the faint of heart, because there will always be people you cannot please. Done well, it's not a 40-hour-per-week job. You have to really care about your profession to work through the public criticism and the inevitable frustration with bureaucracy. The Missouri Department of Conservation has a large plaque hanging over the entrance to the Fisheries Division offices in their Jefferson City headquarters. It reads, "Quality Fishing -- Our Mission, Our Passion." (I received a $50 gift certificate to Gander Mountain for coining that phrase, which will buy you 3 musky lures and a beer!) Bottom line: If you're not passionate about fishery science with all its diverse aspects and challenges, then choose a different careeer that you CAN be passionate about, and one that may afford you a bit more time to fish for muskies.

As many have already mentioned, money cannot be a major motivator. You can make a comfortable, secure living if you rise in the ranks and have an income-producing spouse; but you'll not likely have the toys or the time that some others have for the singular pursuit of muskellunge.

Dave Neuswanger
Fisheries Team Leader, Upper Chippewa Basin
Wisconsin DNR, Hayward
tfootstalker
Posted 11/1/2007 5:10 PM (#282451 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: RE: career related to muskie





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Location: Nowheresville, MN
SELL SCREWS!!!!!!!!



Seriously. You will make more than 18,000 a year and there is one HUGE factor coming now and for at least 5 more years...BABY BOOMERS. DNR's (all states) will be overturning in employees in a very large proportion. MN will overturn 40% of the fishery division alone. That said, forget it and go make money.
ghoti
Posted 11/1/2007 7:06 PM (#282473 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: RE: career related to muskie




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Location: Stevens Point, Wi.
Many years ago, I met an intertesting gentleman camped on an island in Canada. He was a professional bowler! Spent his winters on the tour, and his summers fishing in Canada.

While fishing a reservoir in Arizona in early February a while back, I spent an evening having dinner in a motorhome of a gentleman who owned a construction business. He spent about 7 months of the year working 7 days a week. The 5 months during winter he spent traveling the southern US, living in his home on wheels and fishing.

There are multiple ways to attain your dream. It all depends on your priorities.
DEMolishedyou2
Posted 11/1/2007 8:30 PM (#282487 - in reply to #282473)
Subject: RE: career related to muskie





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Location: Omaha, Nebraska
If you really want to serve the baby boomers than open a retirement home. There will always be elderly people to fill them and you make great money. Once you get it going after ten years, you will hardly have to do any work, and you will have people there doing the work. It is one of the best businesses that you can open and won’t fail.
muskyboy
Posted 11/2/2007 8:13 AM (#282559 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie


IL is a great state, but it is all relative

I was born in WI, go Pack
Andy
Posted 11/2/2007 2:07 PM (#282616 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: RE: career related to muskie


Making musky lures and working at a bait shop! woot!
Andy
Posted 11/2/2007 2:08 PM (#282617 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





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Location: Lake Tomahawk, Musky Central, USA
I thought i was logged in hehe
muskynightmare
Posted 11/2/2007 6:17 PM (#282657 - in reply to #281836)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie





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Location: The Sportsman, home, or out on the water
Get yourself a honey of a wife, with a great income, so you can work at a sports shop, and sell musky stuff all day long. Works for me!
Believe it or not (no, honestly), I was a student that teachers hated to have. One day, I asked a teacher that never gave up on me (Mr. Polzin) "why do you put up with my $%!&? I cannot be the ONLY one!"

Mr. Polzin said "four reasons: I believe in you, even though you do not believe in yourself, and the last three: JUNE, JULY, and AUGUST!"

Why, o why, did I not get it right then and there? (oh yeah, I got detention for saying $%!&! to him. LOL

Edited by muskynightmare 11/2/2007 6:25 PM
IntroC
Posted 11/3/2007 2:11 PM (#282717 - in reply to #282188)
Subject: Re: career related to muskie




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BALDY - 10/31/2007 4:37 PM

You can come make Weagles for me.

You can live in my garage for free (it's heated), I'll pay you $2 an hour, and you can go fishing as much as you want as long as you get baits done when I tell you to.

Sound good?

Didn't think so.


Does that come with meals and use of your boat? I'm in.