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Location: Blaine, MN | Why do people go through the trouble of blocking out the background in their photos? Are their spots really super secrets. it makes me wonder what they would do if they were fishing and someone saw them catch one on that spot, would they go "men in black " on them and delete their memory with the little pen thingy. not sure why this is bothering me but...Ahh, its slow at work today....
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Location: Musky Country | I was wondering the same thing myself?  |
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Location: Black Creek, WI | I often wonder that too.
If someone can recognize that spot due to the background... they probably already know its a good spot... and are at least already fishing the same water.
If the water itself is an untapped fishery and it has some blatantly obvious landmarks..... then I guess I can understand the motive.
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | BECAUSE IF YOU SHOW WHERE YOU FISHED.....EVERYONE WHO HAS A MUSKIE ROD WILL CHANGE ALL THEIR PLANS, FIND A WAY TO CLEAR THEIR SCHEDULE, AND GO TO THAT LAKE, THAT SPOT, AND TRY TO CATCH THAT FISH (again)!!!!
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| I don't go through the trouble, I just quit posting pictures for the most part, and if I do decide to post a picture, I will block the background.. The waters I fish are heavily pressures, and people do try to figure out exactly where you caught a fish and show up at that spot.. I can see a great musky spot from the front of my cabin, and the spot normally has 3-4 boats on it on a Friday night.. During the week a couple weeks ago, someone posted a picture of a big fish, and you could tell by the background, exactly where that fish was caught.. That coming Friday there was 14 boats on that spot.. I'll bet half of those boats where their because of the picture on the internet.. |
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| Because they are not smart enough to pay attention to the background when they take the orginal picture?
I know I would never block out backgrounds. Waste of time. You want to fish my spots feel free, you still have to catch the fish. And if you do catch a fish I hope it's your fish of lifetime. Good for you!
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| By the way, if you believe that only one musky hangs out on one piece of structure, you are VERY wrong.. Normally on the lake I fish, if you catch one fish, you can expect many other fish on the same structure, sorry, but I don't like to give up my fish to others.... |
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| "Because they are not smart enough to pay attention to the background when they take the orginal picture?"
Sorry, my only concern when I have a fish in the net is to get a photo, measurement VERY quickly and get that fish back in the water to swim away... I will fix the background later on my computer... I will not pick fish up and carry them around the boat to make sure the background is correct... I want the least amount of stress put on the fish possible..It Aint because im a so stupid i a kan't figure thiangs outa.. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | I don't like to give up my fish to others....
*how is it you go about distinguising YOUR fish, from someone else's fish?
If I catch a fish in Canada, is that my fish....or only on my "home waters"? If I catch an undersized fish, is that still my fish? And if that is my fish, then is it my fish for all of time, or just for like a season, or a week, or a month? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | As I have paraphrased a few times, Crocodile Dundee said something like:
"It's like fleas arguing over who owns the dog they are on."
I give up spots all the time, even mark maps regularly for guys I don't know. So I sure wouldn't take a background out around a fish. That's just me, I guess...
I frequently set the background by having the netman (me lotsa times...hehehe) moving the boat the way I want it while the fish is in the net. I'm more worried about a good picture than the background. |
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Location: Stevens Point, Wi. | MY fish - MY spot - MY lake WOW!!! |
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| why do people block out the background when the post pics online?
1. they want the ego stroke of someone telling them "good job on catching a fish"
2. But they dont want to ruin or make thier spot worse by adding 200 times the pressure it's use to handling..
3. They caught caught the fish w/ a someone who told them "if you post the picture, you have to delete the background"..
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If you are only concerned with looking at fish that people have caught, why do you really care if they cut out the background?
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Location: Contrarian Island | to each their own....post pics, don't post pics, post reports, don't post reports..block out backgrounds or don't...we all have different opinions and attitudes towards the areas, lakes, spots we fish and if you want to show a pic of a nice fish and block out the background...who are we to say that is wrong or right...
I do get a kick out of the pics of all the less than avg. fish I see some guys posting on this site with the backgrounds blocked out or cropped...I can just see the musky train following you around to those hotspots...funny stuff..
go fish.
Edited by MSKY HNR 9/14/2007 7:11 AM
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| I can see why, since there's a difference between not wanting anyone to know where you caught a fish and not wanting EVERYONE to know...
I think blacking out the background is pretty silly myself. How often are you taking the picture in the exact spot, facing the same direction you were when you caught the fish?
Like BN said -- you choose who and how to share information. If you post a picture on the internet, you have to realize that any number of people are going to see it, and a lot of them would go fish that spot if they could figure out where it was.
But the "my lake, my fish" stuff? Come on... Even if you own property on the lake it ends where the water starts.
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Location: Madison, WI | How about you have to use M1st moderators in order to block out the background if you're going to post on muskiefirst :P
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| "sorry JClymer but just the first few sentences of the above post you are doing a bit of grandstanding...imo. "
That is fine if you think I was "grandstanding", however, I was trying to make a point to Tomcat, that people do not block out background, because they are looking for a ego stroke...
People block out background because of the people on the internet who need to zoom in and locate spots they can not figure out on their own.. I am sorry, but I do not want to share that information with you, for the same reasons that I will probably not catch a big fish and come on here with on GPS coordinates and let the entire world know where this fish was caught, doesn't make much sense... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Ugliest fish picture on the web.
I know that lake....I can tell from the reflection on the water.
Just take the picture in low res, and if one zooms in, one just gets pixels the size of Slamr's visor. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | I'd just like to say for the record, I am the only moderator with hair. Now get off my lake! You're coming near to MY FISH! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Your lake maybe, but my, rock..always a fish there.
sorry, inside joke. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Your rock, and you're jealous of my full head of hair. |
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Location: Watertown, MN | Learned the Lesson several years ago, in the PMTT Champ on Tonka, our first fish we caught, we had spun and put an object in the background on the pic, needless to say the they were several people snooping around there they next day. The best part was the we had drift away from were we had caught the fish, and it kind of miss lead the people about the location. Two day later a friend was fishing the spot, and guy on the dock asked him if some had seen a monster there. He had never seen so many people fishing there before. It didn't take long for people to check out the pics and start investigating the spots.
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Location: Grafton, WI | You can all have my spot, just not my fish....
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| ...Ahh, its slow at work today....
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Location: Sun Prairie, WI | The lakes and fish and for that matter all game belong to the public. If you are so vain and paranoid that you have to block out the background of your pictures, I feel a true sportsman helps his fellow man in his pursuit of fish or game.
There are NO secret locations, only those who think there are.
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| If you block out the backgrounds then I won't know where to fish for muskies!! LOL!!!!! |
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| Blocking out the fish and person... THATS COMICAL MAN!!! Here's the spot but you'll never know if its a 25 lb musky or a 25 lb carp! HAHA. I feel if you really don't want anyone seeing the picture (spot) than keep the whole thing a secret. Otherwise thats a chance you take in sharing your accomplishments. Unless your on Mille Lacs, then you just shoot towards open water lol  |
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Location: Nowheresville, MN | The real hilarity here and in other posts when this topic comes up is you guys that think sharing information and the resulting increased pressure doesn't affect fishing. Heck, I could go fish Kentuck lake right now and fish productive spots without ever looking at a map. All I'd have to do is print out the thread from a few weeks ago and drive to the lake. It never ceases to amaze me. You will also see a theme in these information spewing posts: the people that post info on them don't fish the lakes all that often and make trips every now and then.
"Hey, we're in N. WI and not catching anything, what should we do?" "Well, I saw on the internet they are pounding them on George and the Moen, lets go there."
Yeah it's public water, but there's only so many cookies in the jar.
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| So a "true" sportsman that hunts deer on public land, would scout the land, find the movement of big deer, put all the hard work and effort behind completeing the task of bagging a huge buck and than jump right on the internet and make sure that everyone know where they bagged that deer? Of course not....
If being a "wimp" is blocking background or not sharing pictures at all, I guess I am a wimp... I work too hard to let the whole world know where, what and when....
By the way, when I said "my lake and my fish" things were taken out of context... My home waters and my fish that I have work very hard to pattern and locate...
One last note, this is an internet site, with people that sit behind a computer and shoot out opinions, I think I can handle "Your truth." Did you think you would ruin someones day with your almighty opinion? |
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Location: Aitkin, Blaine, Minnesota | This is funny. I hate Lake X/ blacked out photos because I think there are a lot of visitors to this site that believe every big fish must come from Mille Lacs. When in doubt, probably Mille Lacs. I dont own Mille Lacs, Just 100' feet shoreline on the North End. I get to see the muskie parade every weekend. I would like to see some of the other awesome fisheries get some press so maybe I could fish my own home waters with only ten boats around me instead of twenty ( a man can dream. . .).
Show me a pic of a mille lacs fish and I can at least tell North/ South/ East /West. Thats enough to add afew extra boats to the musky spots.
I am just happy Ronnestrand and Hammernick dont post any pics. Everyone would think Mille Lacs Muskies were as easy to catch as bluegills (40 lb gills). |
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It seems rather odd that some people are more than happy to show off pictures of themselves with big fish, but yet go to such lengths to hide details about catches.
Seems rather bi-polar, "Here's me with my big fish", "Won't tell you anything about it though!"
Why not just show pics to people you know then, instead of strangers that you are worried will hone in on your spots?
Why would you care if people you don't know see a picture of you with a fish?
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I find the blocked out pics quite absurd. I agree people are paranoid about their big fish spots. Just because a nice fish was caught in a general area does not mean that every person on the board is going to flock there. What are the odd that someone will be fish the exact spot anyways and they will put their bait in front of a hungry fish. Even if ten people registered on this site decide to go try fishing the general area on the lake immediately after reading the post this only comes out to 0.003% of registered users on MuskieFirst. This is by no means qualifies as everyone going to that spot to fish. |
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| to each thier own. If I do not want pressure on the lake or spot then you do not get to see a pic with background. Simple as that. those of you that do not like the blacked out background, find another spot. |
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| For those of you who do not think you can get info out a photo, well then, you are not looking close enough. I would rather see a photo with blacked out background than no photo at all. |
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Location: oswego, il | I do crop pictures when I post, basically have to resize them anyway so I make it part of the process. I am posting a picture of a fish so I maximize that part but there is background. If you don't want the background in, kneeling is the best way to get rid of it in a photo. I have only posted one picture on the site with an erased background, I did it because it is not my area and my buddy would like to keep it secret. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Yeah, George has been PACKED. Only a single other muskie boat out there the last couple times I was out. Moen has been even worse. No one. LOTS of cookies in this jar, and I don't mind sharing; 9 times out of 10 no one seems to even notice. If the lake has a couple other boats, so what. Mille Lacs has more in 100 acres on a weekend than most of our 500 acre lakes do in a month. Thanks, MN, I'm near all alone up here most days.
Bit of an exaggeration that an average angler who doesn't know Kentuck could read a thread and go fish that lake successfully without ever looking at a map. Most guys I know have trouble finding spots I give them WITH a map. Information spewing? Please, if you don't want to share, don't, but don't step all over other's willingness to. I won't step on your unwilling attitude in return. Just don't forget where WE ALL get quite a bit of our info...we ain't closed- books- slam- dunk got- it -all- figured-from HUGE personal experience. No one is, if they are smart.
There are so many reports on the board one wouldn't have a clue which way to point the truck. SOme folks get all bent out of shape if they see another boat on a spot they think is personal...and then question how that spot was found. Who cares? If you are so inwardly turned, you shouldn't care at all. Just a point, that 'spot' was there before we were even our daddy's Idea, and will be there LOOOOOONNNNGGG after all of us here are gone.
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Location: The desert | For me, if I block out the background, which I dont often do its mainly because the spot already sees tremendous pressure. I'm not so much trying to hide the spot, but more of trying to keep down that the spot is turning on and fish are starting to go. Although I think some on this site will attest to the fact that if you want to go out and catch fish and ask me, I'll take you there personally and show you how to do it. |
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Location: Nowheresville, MN | "fish the north end cribs just to the right of the access.
Use Topwaters, Bulldawgs, Double Cowgirls, say in 14-15 feet of water and throw towards the reeds" -- That's probably real tough to find.
"fish the shallow water cove behind the rock bar, great weeds and big fish." -- This one's probably even harder to find. Those coves can be a real bugger to locate you know, since every cove has a rock bar in front of it..
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| that is because all of the fish we have see lately out of moen are so big we are affraid to fish it.
if the fish were maybe 45 -50" class people would be there, but there are hundreds of lakes around there with the little/average size fish that are being posted. that 45' the other day was the first "ok" fish we have seen on this site in the last 2years. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Moen really treated me well this year and last. I know several folks from this website who did better than 45" on Moen from my rig. Most guys hate it because of the serious need I exhibit to fish the slop. A couple over 4' from there last year...heck even FSF got a decent fish with us on Moen last year. Far as I know none of those folks have been back there since...and I haven't posted a fish from Moens in months.
If you don't want to share information DON'T. If others want to they will. Edit your pictures all you want, I will choose not too. What a weird argument.
Tfoot; community spots and certainly not secret if the guy HAS a map and can read the thing. Get over it, mebbe buy your own lake. Whatever it takes to make you feel better...  |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | Mine are all Photoshopped...
In fact, I live out on the coast by Sponge and those aren't muskies, they're stripers. The mountains are done in crayon.
The secret's out now I guess, sorry I ruined our spot Sponge.
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| "Thanks, MN, I'm near all alone up here most days. "
Maybe that explains why people in MN are becoming so tight lipped.. I drive around the lake and all I see are plates from WI, IL, IA, etc.. All hauling musky rigs, that is fine and dandy if out of state people are coming over to experience waters that actually have a chance of producing fish in excess of 48"... Just don't expect me to post pictures of spots that I already get cut off on almost every weekend.. There are not many secrets, but there are spots that have less presure.. It is easy for someone who fishes a 500 acre lake and maybe sees 4 boats on a busy weekend to wonder why people would block out backgrounds, come on over to MN, its a different experience.. Once again, this is no exaggeration, a fairly well-known spot that usually sees about 5 boat every night (I know this because it is right in front of my cabin) and someone posted a picture of a big fish that clearly shows the background. Two days later, there was 14 boats on that spot.. I'll bet if everyone was honest, 7 of those boats would have admitted to being on that spot because of the internet picture.. Sure it is not "my lake" or "my fish" but if I show backgrounds, I now have many other boats to manuver around, get cut off by and possibly catch active fish when the window opens.. I don't know about you, but I sure like dumb, unpressured (less pressured) fish, they are more fun....
Really this thread is pretty dumb, if people want to post a picture of a big fish and block the background, that is their business.. Like blocking background or not, we all like to see pictures of big fish and others success... I personally choose not to post pictures on this website, others may choose to block the background and you may choose to let it all hang out, do whatever makes you feel good.. I for one, like to see pics of big fish...
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Location: Utah | I can "personally" attest concealing the background on Musky catches can be a very good policy to practice especially when fishing on a "very" small body of water. With a very small body of water and a large Musky catch posted with a "National Geographic" tourist picture background....guaranteed you'll have an armada in the area of the catch that day and continue for several days or a week. So, IMHO concealing a background all depends on the the fishing area. I agree, where one is caught others are also there. But having a grundle of the bertha sizes in same area is highly unlikely IMO. So for those "bertha" catches be very wary of posting background pics of these catches especially when on small bodies of water. It could and can turn out to be a "Musky Massacre" because of those who want that "catch-of-a-lifetime." |
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Location: Sun Prairie, WI | I don't consider my opinion "almighty" and I did not say a person HAD to get on the internet and post all their photo and information, but if you are going to post photos and other info, you leave yourself open for questions and you should be able to answer them truthfully.
You are not the only one that works hard and long to have a successful hunt or fishing trip, far from it.
As far as working hard to pattern and locate fish, everyone does it, its called fishing. And the more time a person has to do it, the better they get at it.
I also don't sit behind a computer all day looking to rip someone or voice my opinion just for kicks. the low number of posts I have can attest to that.
So I am sorry I ruined your day with my truthful opinion, maybe some day we'll meet on the water and I promise to buy you a cold one, if you handle the camera when I hold my nice fish up.
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| Easy on the KY. bashing. While your crew struggled to find fish that one week I lost 5 over 50 one night. Ended up with 3 over 50. Wasn't being rude but we didn't talk to you guys. We shook fish off that weren't over 50 or didn't take pics or pick up the net to avoid the pressure. You guys cry over background shots? I'll catch crap for it but I put my time in on lakes everywhere. When your a weekend warrior like me you better believe you keep quiet. Sorry to vent but I caught fish of a lifetime and won't share it here. This is the closest to my 15 minutes of fame I'll share because I want supertanker to myself! I could never guide because I'm just to greedy. Hats off to the people who give big fish up to clients. I never could. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | anytime a picture of an average or below size fish is in a pic with the backround knocked is good entertainment ... why do you post the picture in the first place? ... to call attention to yourself ... then when you get the attention, it's a surprise ... but again, good entertainment ...
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| people black out the backgrouds for dumb reasons.
If it is a good spot, most people who fish that certain lake know about it.
If you don't want to show off the picture, then learn to take better photographs with anything in the background.
This is just dumb, but with the ego's some of you have most of your comments didn't suprise me any.
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Location: Racine, Wi | sorenson - 9/13/2007 8:30 PM
Mine are all Photoshopped...
S.
Of course they are. Everyone knows there aren't any 50+ tigers ANYWHERE, much less Utah of all places.
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Location: Brookfield, WI | tuffy1 - 9/14/2007 7:15 AM
sorenson - 9/13/2007 8:30 PM
Mine are all Photoshopped...
S.
Of course they are. Everyone knows there aren't any 50+ tigers ANYWHERE, much less Utah of all places.
:- )
You're right, of course. And what about that cute little kid in that last picture he posted? He must have plucked that out of an online magazine or something. We're supposed to believe a kid that cute is his?
We're on to you and your CGI high jinx, Mr. Big Utah Tiger.
Kevin
"I dream of meatball sandwiches. All you can eat. Two bucks."
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"So I am sorry I ruined your day with my truthful opinion, maybe some day we'll meet on the water and I promise to buy you a cold one, if you handle the camera when I hold my nice fish up."
Funny post... Believe me you did not ruin my day with "your truth", you are just another internet name... Also, I am MORE than happy to hold up the camera and take pics when someone in my boat catches a big fish.. I am generally the person controlling the boat, and if I am able to get my boat positioned correctly, on the right structure at the right time and someone has the opportunity, that is awsome.. I have netted and held the camera for 3 different people and their first 50"+ this year and a first timer who got a fat 49", these catches were FAR more exciting than the fish I have caught!!! In fact, I would rather see the person in my boat catch the big fish, so I'll be more than happy to hold the camera.. I do know that if the picture was going to go on the internet (without blocking backgrounds), you would not be fishing with me in the first place...
Remember a couple years ago when you would see bloody, vertical holds on fish... Rarely do you see those pictures anymore, people handle fish better (for the most part), they snap photos faster and care about the survival of the fish.. Lets take a positive spin on this thread and say that musky photos and release has come a long ways in the past few years and everyone should be commended.. I know I personaly handle fish far better than I did 5 years ago.. Who cares what people do to the photos afterwards, as long as the fish was safely placed back into the waters it came from.... |
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| Yeah thats just what we need. Hold the fish up longer until the boat swings around until the background is to your liking. I do not understand why you guys are getting so bent because the background is gone. For those of you who do not fish in MN. You have no idea what pressure is. |
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Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI | I caught these on Lake Julia. I photo shopped in the Manitowoc sign and its cleaning station. These are a new strain of musky. They fight a lot better than the other musky I have caught and they taste good too.
When Tuffy1 and I hook up in October, we will post the pics of all the big fish we catch. No photo shop needed as it won't matter anyway, no one really fishes the water that we will be going to and people won't have a clue.
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Location: Minnesota | Most guys won't even post photos because of how word travels. One guy in this post has fish from this summer that would make your jaws drop and he hasn't posted one of them for that reason. Word gets out way to fast these days.
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | This thread has gone all over the map regarding secret keeping.
First off I love to see pictures of BIG fish, it reminds me they are actually out there, when I am struggling on the water. If someone wants to blank out the background because people know were they fish and it’s an obvious spot I have no problem with that.
Fishing pressure has been talked about over and over on all the different web boards and I would say that most people believe that increased pressure at least has some effect on the fish.
If you have a spot that is being consistant for you by all means keep it to yourself. Two times I have seen pressure negatively effect fish. Both times it was on lakes that are under 200 acres. First time it was myself and a couple friends and we where consistently seen huge fish, we each told a couple friends and before you new it 2 or 3 times a week someone was fishing this lake that maybe saw musky pressure only a couple times a month before that. Guess what all of us started seeing fewer and fewer fish on the prime spots, they where still there and they could still be caught, but it became much harder. Second lake we did a better job of keeping to ourselves but this lake was even smaller and just our own added pressure moved the fish off the prime spots. So in my opinion it does have an effect.
If you have a good lake and an intelligent musky fisherman finds his way there likely they are going to be able to have the same success you are having, and then IF they have the time they will return, that’s the reason for keeping smaller lakes a little more quite. Because of this board and others, there is a heck of a lot more intelligent musky fishermen. And because there are more of us, period lakes that used to see maybe 2 to 5 musky boats a week may now see 10-20. The good thing is I am lucky to live in Musky country and fishing during the week, especially this time of year there usually isn’t many other boats on the water. But weekend pressure still can move the fish around.
Just my opinion, but hey why jump on someone for blanking out the background of a pic. There are tons of reasons not to post pictures on the boards but I don’t feel that’s one of them. I would rather see the fish pictures, they all tell a different story.
Nail a Pig!
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I fish MN during the summer months, and the pressure there is NOTHING, like not even a full percentage, but a fraction of a percent of what it is like in Indiana.
585 acres.....25-35 musky boats....
THOUSANDS of acres and 40-50 musky boats....not even close.
Minnesota pressure still hasn't caught up with Indiana yet.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'I frequently set the background by having the netman (me lotsa times...hehehe) moving the boat the way I want it while the fish is in the net.'
As in while the fish is getting unhooked, Maxey. Where else here does it say anything like:
'Yeah thats just what we need. Hold the fish up longer until the boat swings around until the background is to your liking.'
I don't think anyone is saying the fish should be out of the water for a longer time while the boat is adjusted for background. I'm absolutely certain I am not.
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Hey Mike;
Your not exactly comparing apples to apples in your pressure scenario.
Take Plant for instance, a lake I've seen you on.
It may be 3 times bigger than a 600 acre lake, but how much of that is water the muskie anglers are actually utilizing?
Most of the water is deep and the anglers are all fishing the same stuff.
Pressure is very concentrated even on bigger bodies of water.
On operer this year, Elk lake had 10 boats on it, it's a 200 acre lake.
Anyway, I really think being paranoid about people fishing spots in pictures is a little over the top.
I could post pictures of the 10 biggest fish I ever caught, and 99% of the people that saw them would have a hard time even figuring out what lake it was on, much less getting close to where it was caught.
Then of the people who could figure it out, how many of them are the types that would actually search for spots in that sort of way?
To each his own, if anyone wants to know where I caught a fish, I'll tell them straight up. Part of the fun of fishing is finding new spots/lakes anyway.
There are two kinds of fishermen, report makers, and report chasers.
The report makers are always one step ahead, finding new spots and new fish.
JS
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Location: Algonquin, ILL | Just fish at night, then the background will not be an issue
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| Then they need to utilize more of the lake and not just fish the same 5 spots then....
Pretty simple.
There are muskies in more than 5 spots on a 2500 acre lake.
Pressure is pressure and our Indiana pressure is way more intense than MN.
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Post pics, dont post pics.
Blackout backgrounds, dont blackout backgrounds.
Post reports, dont post reports.
Share info, dont share info.
All of the choices are fine with M1st, yes we have our own opinions, but if you keep your postings to the stated permissions, then all is good. We're NOT going to censure people for making fishing reports and we can't make you do so. We're not going to stop people from fishing YOUR water, and we wont make you tell where you're fishing.
Everyone has their choice of what to do in terms of helping others to learn to find waters to fish or helping them along. Help, dont help, your choice. |
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| i agree hulbert you guys have pressure. but you also stock the ponds full like aquariums. When BIG fish are moving here we get them from all over, MN, WI, IA, ND,SD, MI, IN, IL. When fish are moving in IN you get more locals out. With over 15,000 lakes here and under 100 managed for muskies and at least 20 times the amount of anglers coming to MN than any other state to fish for the beast, the pressure does build. Tourny type atmosphere on any given evening during the MIDWEEK.
I do not post Pics so I am not at liberty to cut those who do.
It does not make any sense to argue background vs. no background. I like to see big fish whether their is scenery behind it or not.
I fish the Metro area a ton and if I did post pics you would not get the background.
If that is selfish, OH WELL.
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| What I think is fascinating is the vast difference in opinion on this topic, and how closely it relates to where people fish.
Hulbert: Fishes in area with so many muskies and so many people fishing for them that 10 more boats or 100 more boats aren't going to make a difference. 5 -7 fish per acre, launches full by 5:00 am, boat on top of boat... Pretty much "post the picture, whoever shows up will be boat #20 through the spot anyway"
Worrall: Fishes in an area where there are more lakes with muskies than there are musky fishermen to fish them. "post the picture, chances are anybody who sees it on line wouldn't be able to find the lake in the first place. Even if they found the lake AND the spot, there'd be two boats out there instead of one, so what??"
Then there's the MN guys, who over the last few years have seen their home waters go from a boat here and there to waiting in line for a chance to fish a spot. "don;t post the picture, it's becoming a zoo out here. We need LESS people fishing, NOT more. I live here and I'm a minority -- all the boats from IL, WI, IN? GO HOME ALREADY!"
The guys regularly fishing 200 - 500 acre lakes? They've got a good thing going -- quiet, relatively low pressure, good fish to be had. 10 more boats is a crowd. They'd be stupid not to try to keep their little honey holes a secret.
It all comes down to three types of fisheries:
1. It's already a zoo, what's the difference?
2. It's becoming a zoo, and we don't like it.
3. It's great and we want to keep it that way.
The bottom line is that if you talk about it on the internet, people are going to read it. You don't know who they are, where they are, or what they will do with the information you share.
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Play golf and don't worry about pictures. HaHaHaHa.
Kevin
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
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| It's a matter of who you trust and who you don't. If you post a pic with notable landmarks and in the following days that area gets hammered, to me you've got no grounds to stand on when complaining about the increase in pressure.
I've seen two different types of pics posted with backgrounds blocked out. This is not only on this site, but others as well. In fact I would say there is a clearer distinction elsewhere on the internet than here. 1) By those who genuinely want to keep a spot or location secret 2) Those who do it just to spite others. The latter can usually be sniffed out by how defensive that person gets when there are guesses made as to where it was taken. I don't have a problem with either one, but those who seem to do it for spite are also those who have shown a history of having a need for self importance and are constantly looking to stroke their own ego. They are easily ignored.
I also don't post pics, or try not to unless it is warranted. Even then those pics won't show a distinct background in them. Alot of water, far off shoreline, release shot, etc. I've been followed as it is, by guides nonetheless. On the plus side there is a good chance that I am doing something so off the wall that it's quite entertaining seeing the looks of others when they are spying on me.
This time of year you won't see the giant increase in pressure as you would have just a few short weeks ago. Now that tourist season is over and kids are back in school the guys you'll see out are more and more of those intelligent muskie fishermen that MRoberts talked about. Those who do their homework instead of the weekend warriors that are looking for a shortcut. I see this on my home water. The Monday before Labor Day the launches were still packed. Last week, even with that real warm weather the numbers dwindled considerably. This week has been great.
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Location: Sherry, WI | i know it's cold in central wisconsin, but it ain't winter yet! or is it?
if i share information that results in increased pressure on a spot, and i can't fish the spot when i want, my bad on ME. does the breadth of the realm of information distribution affect the amount of "new" pressure on a spot? yes and no, likely that is situation dependant.
i have a small group of friends that i share everything with, and i get same in return. we understand that what we share between us is for us, not an internet board. there definitely are only so many cookies in the jar, and if we have something figured out so we can have a few more cookies, great. we also enjoy the gamesmanship amongst ourselves of figuring out where a fish was captured based on the picture background. it's easy to leave clues in the background. it's also easy to shoot so clues are not visible, and we are so good we do this without even swinging the boat around!.
what i cannot control is what other anglers do with their information. if they want to share/post, that's ok. if not, that's ok, too.
i can't get bent about what other people post. i only have so much energy any given day, and i need to expend it on what i can control instead of what i can't.
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| For me and I have posted pics with and without background blurred its the "it's great not a lot of pressure and don't want the cat out of the bag just yet." A lake where there is a lot of fishing pressure but not for muskies is rare. Have you ever had someone come up to you and ask if that big fish you just released was a walleye or pike on more than one occasion? I get it all the time - and granted jonnysled a 41-45" fish isn't big for you, but it is for me, so don't laugh or make fun of guys who block out backgrounds to save a lake from more pollution or/and more pressure. We all pay the same price for the right to fish these fish, no one is in the right or wrong.
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It is pretty simple Mike;
People fish areas of the lake that hold fish. A 2500 acre lake doesn't mean it has 2500 acres of muskie holding structure.
When 1500 acres of it are open water, what does that leave you with?
When the fish are up shallow and in the rushes on Plant, that's where everyone is going to fish. Haven't seen 2500 acres of shallow bullrushes on Plant.
On the other hand, when the open-water bite is on, and you have 15 boats trolling around each-other in circles, even though it's a 2500 acre lake you're still concentrating pressure on a small part of it.
To say MN doesn't have a fraction of the pressure other waters do is nonsense.
We are getting pressure from guys that know how to fish, and are willing to travel to do it. One of these guys takes more of your chances at catching a fish away than 10 guys just our frothing the water for something to do.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Here's my latest picture, a 56" monster from Lake Wheresdafish:
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| I recognize that spot! I'm not going to say exactly where it is, but it's pretty small, and it's kind of in the middle of nowhere on the South end of the lake! If you blink you'll miss it! |
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| about all that's worth saying about this one has been said.
thanks to all who chimed in.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | That, lambeau, is the understatement of the week! |
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