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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | My opinion, no. Bad idea. |
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| As in just let the fish grab the sucker and then ease it into the net? Interesting way of feeding muskies... |
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| Yep, it can work. 100# mono or flouro tied to through suckers nostrils. Let the fish eat it completely. Reel in, and hope you get it in the net before it pukes the sucker up.
I have personally never tried it.
I'm trying to remember the presenter at the Milwaukee Chapter that talked about this. It was around the same time that circle hooks were being experimented with. Maybe back in 99 or 2000?
RowTroller? What happened to the article archive on the Milwaukee site? |
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| That's not fishing, that's "feeding"... |
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| I HAVE experimented with this with some success. It's probably about 40 to 50% for me. It depends upon the time of year, and how good of a net person I've got with me:-)
The equipment that I use is an 8 foot med/hvy rod with a line counter reel(The line counter is a must and will explain later) spooled with 50# Big Game Mono. I then tie a ball bearing swivel from my main line to an 80-100# flouro leader approximateley 4' to 5' long. I may ad an egg sinker just above the swivel if I need weight. It depends on if the sucker likes to dive or swim on the surface. Then, like Shep stated earlier I then pull the end through the nostrils of the sucker and tie 3 to 4 overhand knots.
After much experimentation I have learned that this is a fall to late fall application. I tried this in the summer and did get action, but was not able to boat any due to the fact that the Musky metabolism is much higher and they fight harder and puke the sucker more regularly. In the fall to late fall the metabolism of a musky is much slower and the odds are much more in your favor.
The technique that I personally employ is once you have a musky grab the sucker you wait anywhere from 15 minutes to 45 depending upon the fish. Every fish ids different. In my past experience is that most fish take the sucker and run for a bit then stop when they stop it usually means they are taking the sucker down or already have. Most big fish head for deeper water and most small fish head for shallower water. This is in my experience. Other situatioins may be different. Once you feel the fish has the sucker down you need to position your boat directly above the fish so that when ypou reel it up your net person will be able to get a decent shot at the fish. If the fish swims away you will need to follow it with your trolling motor to maintain a very close proximity. Let me state that this is DEFINETELY a 2 person job!!!! When you are ready to reel you point your rod tip at the fish a reel very diliberetly at a medium pace.....not too fast and not too slow. If the fish starts to fight DON'T stop just keep reeling. Have the net person ready to go. A line counter is also a must. This way you know exactly how many feet you have to go before the fish is at the surface. You must try to net the fish before it hits the surface. In most cases once the fish hits the surface it will panic and puke the sucker. So its best if you can get to it before this happens.
I have used this technique for about 6 or 7 years now. I use this as a kind of X factor. I have had many days where I have had suckers with quick strike rigs and have also had the hookless rig out and the hookless rig out-performed the others as much as 5 to 1. Sometimes the other rigs haven't even got a sniff when i've had the hookless out. The fun and really exciting part of this technique is that for those 15 to 45 minutes you don't know if the fish is 40 inches or 40 lbs!!!!! Talk about drama!!!! The only draw back that one would have (and it has happened to me) is that you potentialy could loose a big fish to this, but you can loose big fish anyway you fish for musky so why not try this? |
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| intriguing.
do you worry about the fish biting through the leader and leaving 6" of fluoro in it's belly?
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| Lambeau,
I detailed my technique and experience in the above post. I have thought about it, but I NEVER have had one bite through a leader or even come close. I am talking at least 15 plus fish. Most of the fish that I've caught on the rig come to the net fairly easy....almost like dead weight. If your interested in a first hand experience, i'd be willing to share a fall day with you and give you the "finer" points  |
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| SORRY.....Supposed to be at least 75 fish not 15. |
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| I question the validity of "guest" and his reply, some of the details are throwing me off.
Sorry, it's the skeptic in me. Call me Thomas. |
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Maybe it's just me, but what's the point in this?
Taking 45 minutes to land one fish?
I guess I look at the hook-set and fighting the fish as the whole point of fishing, that part of it is what is fun and challenging.
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Location: Menomonee Falls, WI | Firstsixfeet,
What part of the reply or post are you questioning? Numbers, Technique, or all..... |
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Location: Wauwatosa, Wisconsin | I guess I'd have to agree with JS - no hook set and "come to the net fairly easy....almost like dead weight" doesn't sound like a lot of fun. What's the point? Besides, I'm not sure that would even be legal in Wisconsin. I believe the Regs specify that the fish must be hooked inside the mouth. Technically aren't you just illegally netting a fish?
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| If you have to wait 45 min......you just missed the feeding window!!!!
In the fall the feeding windows are short and quick, where you can boat 3-6 fish in 45 minutes....
I would rather do that, than boat 1 fish, and only have a 40% chance at that one!!!!
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| To each his own I guess , but it's kinda like what I call " The sailboat theory " ( Muskie Mike has heard me ssay this a thousand times !! ) ... sailboats are cool and all but I'd rather hit the key and roll . Just like I'd rather set the hook and fight the fish . It does sound interesting though , might have to give it a rip !! Hopefully if I do I won't find out that it's not legal , that would be my sort of luck !! |
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Location: Menomonee Falls, WI | I agree that feeding windows are short in the fall and yes you can boat 3-6 fish in 45 minutes. The only draw back is that it slows you down. But if you are using suckers anyway it wouldn't be any different. I utilize this technique in conjunction with casting presentations as well as having other quick strike rigs out. Sometimes the casting and the other livebait presentations don't work and I may have never gotten bit if it weren't for having the hookless rig out there. So IMO it would be worth the 45 minutes to wait for a fish that may not have even bit if it weren't for the hookless rig.
As for the fun of the hookset and fight I see where you are coming from Greg, but when you have that fish on the end of your line for up to 45 minutes not knowing if its 40 inches or 40# is something that IMO can be just as much fun.
Another thing I didn't state is that as safe as quick strike rigs are when used properly, there still can be some cases when a musky is hooked deep and doesnt make it. With this rig that is not a threat cause there are no hooks. And if the musky doesn't puke the sucker it has a meal to get it even fatter;-) So the fisherman gets his/her thrill and the musky gets its meal.
As far as the legalities....I looked into this right away and I have personally spoken to WDNR wardens and it IS legal. It is just cosidered another line.
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If the muskie doesn't puke the sucker, what do you do?
Cut the line?
How can that be good for the muskie, swallowing a sucker with a bunch of mono and hardware on it?
Sorry, but this just sounds like a bad deal all the way around.
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Location: Verona, WI | My first reaction to this was that this sounds really bad - letting a fish swallow the bait, any hardware, and leader. The more I thought about it though - how much different is it than a circle hook? In that case you are letting the fish swallow a hook and then reel it out.
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Location: north central wisconsin | I don't think it sounds like a 'bad deal' at all. For him it apparently isn't and I beleive the guy at his word. I don't think I'd emply the method personnally, as it doesn't suit mI style, but to say it is bad for the fish would be a stretch in my opinion. i'd say the injury obtained from our circle hooks and quick sets(which I'll continue to employ) along with multi hook lures would be far more traumatic than swallowing 5 inches of monofiliment. Prolly doesn't have to be any hardware either if the method shep spoke of is used. I have seen jig heads, twister tails, crawfish claws, leader material, line and all sorts of wierd stuff hanging out the rear end of a fish. I doubt they'd have much trouble passing 5" of floro. I'd be more worried about losing the fish after the puke job myself. If the dude says it works, I beleive it works. Why doubt/ridicule it? Heck, I'd rather see people doing it this way than using square hooks, which are still legal(in many areas) and widely used. |
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Location: Menomonee Falls, WI | To answer your question John, Yes I do cut the line. Usually taking a mouth spreader and cutting at the base of the throat if possible. If not then just inside the mouth. I don't believe this would harm the fish. The rig dosen't have any "hardware" except for the ball bearing swivel which is 4 to 5 feet from the sucker. Nothing attached to the sucker except for a couple knots.
IMO, I don't believe the flouro does any more harm to the fish than a musky who eats a perch, bluegill, walleye, etc...those fish have bones. I think that would be more harmful to digest than 4-6 inches of flourocarbon. I have yet to hear of fish dying from eating fish with bones. Again this is my opinion and everybody else has a right to theirs.
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Location: Madtown, WI | why couldn't you just make the flouro leader one large loop? Tie one end of the leader to the swivel, put the other end through the nose of the sucker and then all the way back to the swivel making a doubled up 5ft leader using 10 ft of flouro. That way if you did catch a fish you could just cut the flouro and pull it through, heck, you could just retie the flouro and use it all day. Also the fish could keep his meal as well!
I'm not sure if digesting flouro, mono or any man made item is a good thing. Fish have evolved to eat fish, and I have no idea how you could justify saying flouro would do less harm than something a fish has consumed since the species evolved. You must know something I don't.... just to be sure, tonight for supper try 5 inches of flouro and post in the morning how your doing.
I fail to see any harm in this sucker rigging approach, but.... I don't think I will ever try it. My favorite part of using suckers is the anticipation when your about to wind up, not knowing what you have on, and then when you set the hook there is no feeling better than the solid thump back of a good hook set. Although there is no worse feeling than setting the hook into oblivion and have your hooks come sailing back at you.
Perhaps your just trying to pull some legs but hey, you may have perfected the next step in catch and release... no more hooks!
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Location: The Sportsman, home, or out on the water | john skarie - 8/30/2007 12:45 PM
Maybe it's just me, but what's the point in this?
Taking 45 minutes to land one fish?
I guess I look at the hook-set and fighting the fish as the whole point of fishing, that part of it is what is fun and challenging.
JS
AMEN!
How has puking worked out for all of those "hollywood starlets"?
Do not want to see my WI girls look emaciated. Bulimia in muskys, or women is not attractive. lol |
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Bones are edible, meaning they will digest.
Plastic is not.
Little bit of a difference there.
What happens to a fish when flouro gets stuck in the GI tract?
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| If, if, if. And what if you have an equipment failure and the fish gets a lure with 3 trebles stuck in it's yap. Or you have a fish swallow a sucker on a quick set? Or you're icefishing and a fish hits and swallows a minnow with a small treble? The fact is, if you muskie fish, you will injure and kill fish occaisionally. Geez, is the sky always falling in your part MN?
As Reef Hawg said, I've also seen a lot of stuff coming out the poop shoot on not only muskies, but other fish as well. Sheepshead on Bago have been eating zebra mussels. Those shells do not digest, and those fish seem to be just fine. Fish have passed a lot worse than a foot or two of mono.
Regardless, I can see why you wouldn't want to practice this, John. You're in MN, the land of only one rod per angler. I believe he said that he employs this along with using quick strikes. Another tool in his arsenal. If you don't want to do it, fine. But don't condemn someone because they do things you don't.
As I said, I haven't done this, but it is a bit like fishing with circle hooks. I have fished with circle hooks, and most all of them have puked up the sucker. If not immediately, then on the surface or in the net. |
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Didn't condemn anyone, just bringing up the issue of intentionally leaving flouro in a muskies gut.
There is a big difference between an angler knowing something could happen to a fish which may harm it while fishing, and intentionally fishing in a way that will harm it.
Like the old days when guys with single hook sucker rigs just cut them off and let them go. Anyone with common sense knew stomach acid doesn't dissolve steel.
But I'm glad that people did speak up and say something about it.
I don't think it's out of line to question whether or not it's good for a fish to leave flouro in it's belly.
People can fish the way they want to, and others can have opinions about it.
It's called everyone is different, no reason why we can't disscuss things like this without being overly sensitive about it.
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| I see a few things that could potentially go wrong:
1. The fish actually digests the flourocarbon. Could he harmless, or it could be toxic. I wouldn't want to eat flourocarbon.
2. The flourocarbon passes through the fish. The fact that it makes it out the other end doesn't mean there isn't some sort of injury/infection that has taken place. I wouldn't want to poop flourocarbon, either.
I doubt any delayed mortality studies have been done with flourocarbon, so nobody can say for sure if it would harm the fish or not.
Personally, I don't think that its ever a good idea to leave anything inside of a fish that doesn't belong there.
Until someone actually proves one way or the other what happens when you leave flourocarbon inside a fish, all we have are opinions. Would be nice if we respected each others opinions enough not to turn this into a personal attack on the people that think it doesn't hurt anything. |
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| It wasn't leaving the hooks in the fish that kill them. It's ripping open a hole in the fish's stomach on the hookset and fight that eventually kill them. In the single hook study that was done, the were several fish that didn't have the hooks in them when they were autopsied. Were did the hooks go?
Do you guys think that these fish only ever eat baitfish? I bet there's a whole lot of stuff that these fish swallow and pass through in their lifetime.
"How can that be good for the muskie, swallowing a sucker with a bunch of mono and hardware on it?
Sorry, but this just sounds like a bad deal all the way around."
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"There is a big difference between an angler knowing something could happen to a fish which may harm it while fishing, and intentionally fishing in a way that will harm it."
Sounds like condemnation to me. And do you know for a fact that some mono or flouro WILL harm the fish?
I'm not attacking anyone. Just trying to stick up for Abe, and his right to fish his way.
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Shep the second quote in your last post was directed at your statement regarding having things go wrong. You're implying that since things may happen which are bad for a fish, that you shouldn't make a negative statement about how others fish.
That just doesn't make sense. Because a fish could die from something out of your control, you shouldn't avoid situations that you can control?
Flourocarbon will not dissolve in stomach acid, that is a fact. Plastics don't dissolve in sulfuric acid either, hence the reason battery acid comes in plactic liners. FYI stomach acid is much, much weaker than most commercially used acids like batter, or sulfuric acid.
If you believe that no harm will come to a fish if you leave a flourocarbon leader in it's gut, than fine, go ahead and fish that way.
All I'm saying is that there is more than a reasonable chance that it's going to screw up the GI tract, and for that reason I wouldn't think it a safe way to release fish.
Sorry my opinion is not the same as yours, but I'm not sorry I have an opinion, or that I have a place to state it.
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Location: north central wisconsin | Shep is right on. Some people just hate it when others rebut their 'all that is good and rightous for the fish' opinions. They are just that, opinions by all of us, and mine might just be way off too hehe..... Just allow them at that. Just fair debate. I rarely get involved with any thread anymore, but feel there is as much argument for Abe as against. Again, I am of the opinion there is more injury taking place with trebles ripping through flesh, tongue, eyes etc, than a 5" piece of swallowed florocarbon will do. Will I employ the method? No, as I would rather not purposely leave anything man made in the fish either, or like to wait that long to do so. But, I highly doubt he's harming the population of fish in his lake one bit.
That said, just swallowed a 5" piece of floro. Will let you know how it goes upon my return from antisuckerdom(MN) in a few days....
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Location: Racine, Wi | Reef Hawg - 8/31/2007 11:48 AM
That said, just swallowed a 5" piece of floro. Will let you know how it goes upon my return from antisuckerdom(MN) in a few days....
That is too funny!!!
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Location: north central wisconsin | Just PBR for me Joel.... and the shelves are always well stocked with it over there(too busy drinking Schmidt or something of the sort there). Same three dusty 12ers still sitting on the shelf in a Tower shop last weekend... soon to be 2....hehehe
You are right though. We used to buy a case of blatz at UWSP and eat the bottle cap from each one. Cannot remember pooping a single one. The empty cases made for great apartment furniture too. Think my girlfriend/wife thought I was attractive??? Phhooooof, she just liked my home decorating skills.
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Wow, is it January?
This topic intrigues me, and I would have to say this is a pretty unique/creative way of fishing. As some have said, to each his own. I agree that setting the hook, getting fish to jump, etc.. is a blast and why I do it. However, the anticipation that Abe mentions is a whole new aspect some of us may have never, or will ever experience. Heck I may even be willing to try this out.
Not sure how this method could be condemed. Sure fish saftey is important, and we should always be concerened about it....to a point. I would be a whole lot more concerned for a fish that I may hook it badly than I would about it passing a few inches of line.  |
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| The empty cases made for great apartment furniture too.
ah, the halcyon days of Leinie's coffee tables...
All I'm saying is that there is more than a reasonable chance that it's going to screw up the GI tract, and for that reason I wouldn't think it a safe way to release fish.
let's keep in mind that fishing this way does not automatically mean the fish ends up with a meal of fluoro, it's only the rare fish that it happens to. Abe states that the vast majority of fish puke up the sucker, and i imagine a couple tugs on the leader in the net would help encourage it to do so.
fishing quick strikes is my preferred method, but i've had a couple fish take the sucker deeply and get hooks back in the gills. i don't think those fish lived. come to think of it, i've had one or two take a bucktail deep and not survive too. there's a small but significant (~10%?) amount of fish who don't survive being caught. to my mind, this technique probably reduces the likelihood of fish mortality.
and heck, it sounds interesting. it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but we are a bunch of people who choose to fish for muskies at least in part because they're hard to catch. this technique actually increases the challenge to a certain extent...
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Location: Oconomowoc, WI | I find this entire thread quite humorous. |
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Location: chicago | Did anyone ever see them fish for sail fish with dead bait. They make a harness threw the eyes and then take a circle hook and attach it to the harness. Works great not a bad idea for muskies!!!! |
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Location: Avilla, IN | If it is legal then he certainly has a right to fish with this method. I personally wouldn't want leave a foreign object in the fish. I also wonder how much internal damage is done to a muskies stomach. After all, you are hauling this fish in by using an object wedged in its digestive system. Maybe thats why they come in easy. |
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Location: Menomonee Falls, WI | First off...let me start by saying that by no means did I wish to start a debate about what is and is not good for a muskys digestive system. The original post asked if hookless sucker fishing works. I mearly responded that it does work and detailed what has worked for me and what to expect if you do try it.
I respect all of your opinions and you all have a right to speak your mind. That's what makes these boards great. BUT.....I'd prefer not to be ridiculed for something that most fisherman aren't familiar with. It seems like the HOT topic of debate here is the flourocarbon that would potentialy be left in the stomach of a musky. I say potentialy because I have had only a couple fish that have never puked a sucker. In all but those 2 cases the musky has puked the sucker. Here are those examples:
A: When realing the fish up
B: Before we had a chance to net the fish
C: As we netted the fish
D: In the net after
E: As the fish was being released
IMO this tactic poses no more of a risk to a musky than fishing with quick strike rigs!!! Actually I think it poses less of a risk. Those worse thing that can happen is that the musky would have to pass a foot or two of flouro. I think that's better than a throat full of trebels as Shep stated earlier. |
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| Nothing wrong with inciting a debate, Abe. I just get a bit riled by some who go to extremes to cite reasons for not doing something a certain way. Reasons that bear absolutely no fact, but are stated in such a way to make them seem factual. You know, the old, "There's a good chance that this is not good for the fish" And pretty sure digestive juices in a fish are different than ours, and sulfuric acid.
If as you say, in 75 fish, only 2 have not puked up the sucker, I'd say that is a pretty good ratio. And, there's a good chance that those two fish survived.
And I ain't gonna be waiting on Reef Hawg's next bowel movement to see if that flouro comes out. I'll leave that for TuffDaddy.
John, I understand some of your reasons for not agreeing with this method. But, in general, you disapprove of any live bait fishing for muskies. Correct?
So, I'm done with this one, except to say again, that I have heard, and I do believe this is an effective way to fish for muskies. It's another tool to use, that's all. Like circle hook fishing, without the hook.
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| I find this intriguing as well. Would take a deft touch to perfect no doubt. Never hurts to pioneer a little on a personal level, it makes for a better angler in the long run. I don't really think this would hurt the fish too much either, the leader is not poisonous. Would be interesting to see how long it takes for the mono to pass, I bet it would in a few days. I've caught "lesser" fish(walleye) that have line coming out the back but it still attached to a hook stuck in the gut, so the line is able to pass. Its interesting way to fish, I'd like to see how it's done firsthand.
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Location: Menomonee Falls, WI | Just to let everyone know. I didn't pioneer this method, I didn't invent it. I just mearly use this as another tactic in my arsenal. I had heard about this method about 6 or 7 years ago and like many others was very skeptical. A friend of mine told me he used it and it worked with some success. BTW. He isn't the pioneer either. I asked him and he showed me how he rigged it up and explained the technique. I then (out of sheer curiocity) tried it out myself. To my amazement...#*$%!!!!! It worked!!! The first fish that I had action on actually puked the sucker out at the net, but I was sold that it could work in some fashion. So like anything, the more you do it the more proficient you get. Which is why I still employ this method today. Simply stated IT WORKS! |
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Location: WI | 2 out of 75 fish seems like pretty good odds to me.......
I would suspect that they average quick set sucker fisherman would not be able to say there was a CHANCE that 2 of their 75 fish might not have survived after being caught on a quick set.
The worse case scenerio on this style is the flourocarbon didn't pass through.
Maybe some innovator can come up with a "muskie ipecac syrup" and we can all go home happy tonight.
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| Kevin Mahlberg - 8/31/2007 12:15 PM
I find this entire thread quite humorous.
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Location: Wauwatosa, Wisconsin | LMAO @ ReefHawg ! I was wondering who would take up the gauntlet and give it a try. I bet you were the guy in high school who dared to swallow the goldfish! Can't wait to hear how your lower colon flossing went.
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Location: Lincoln UK | So if I'm reading this right you are advocating allowing the fish to swallow a bait so that all the forces of the fight are exerted on the stomach? I can't off the top of my head think of anything to do with angling that would increase the rate of mortality than that, Esox are delicate creatures at the best of times but pulliong them in by their stomachs is an absolutely ludicrous idea. The fight would surely be prolonged as the fish would "have it's head" if caught in such a fashion unlike being hooked in the mouth where the head is the part being controlled.
To actually worry about a few inches of flouro in the stomach when the stomach is being exerted to so much trauma is surely the last of the fish's worries. |
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Actually I fish with Mainia Lift Off rigs quite a bit. I love to fish with suckers.
I caught my biggest fish ever last fall on an 18" sucker.
Listen, I'm not trying to personally offend anyone.
I'm just reading about this for the first time, wondering about it and asking questions, and giving my opinion.
You don't have to agree with it, or like it. But don't put the assumption out there that I think I know more than anyone else, or think I'm better than anyone else.
I agree 100% with what Chico said, I'm sorry, but I just can't see this technique being good in any way for a fish.
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| I have never tried this before either but you stated that every time they come to the top the puke right away so could you just measure the fish take a few pics with the sucker still in its belly and then put it back in the water and just let it puke your bait and line back up? Just a thought. Either way no hooks sounds much safer to the fish than big hooks in the face, gills, or even some times the head. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | Not feeling the best today. Could be due to a long night at/after the unbelievable Alice Cooper show last night. Still in music dream land. Ooooops.... felt a bit of pressure.... gotta GO!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Location: Muskegon Michigan | Heres waht you do. I almost tried to make and patent this. Its called Fish line . Made from braided Salmon skin. I would build the line to be about 50 lb test. I would thread it through or tie it around the sucker . I would use a soft downrigger rod spooled with 30 lob mono. I would let the Musky swallow the sucker and then gently reel him in with the drag very loose. If the fish wanted to take line so be it. The soft downrigger rod works like a shock absorber. Bring the fish in,net it , photo it and cut the leader off. The leader is not only unharmfull but good for the musky. You get your picture the fish gets its dinner. I thought about just using cotton string. The No strike Rig. Has a neat ring doesnt it? I would think any digestable string would work fine. Cotton, Wool, Horse hair, But making a leader out of Braided fish skin would be cool no? Fish Line ha ha ha ha ha . A side note ,anyone who has ever stripped the hide off of a big King Salmon knows how sinuey and tough the skin is. Kingfisher
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Location: Bloomington, Illinois | I'd like to hear a fish biologist's opinion on the effects of the fighting/reeling in a fish with the pressure on the stomach of the fish (delayed mortality a possibility?)...I learned in college (more than once) that the esophagus is not a two way street LOL This thread does seem more like one of the dead of winter cabin fever discussions...To each their own...Interesting concept...interesting reading... |
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Location: The desert | I dont think this is something we need to be getting our panties in a bunch about. Sounds like Abe really knows how to work the hookless sucker rigs and do it effectively and safely. To me its rather intriguing and would like to see this technique in action.
Delicate creatures? C'mon. They are actually relatively hearty creatures. They arent newborn children that we need to be very gentle with. |
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Location: Lincoln UK | Pointerpride102 - 9/1/2007 9:23 AM
Delicate creatures? C'mon. They are actually relatively hearty creatures. They arent newborn children that we need to be very gentle with.
very hardy in their own enviroment but vert holds, bad handling etc and the mortality rate rockets. Vert holds have been written about everywhere, excess strain on the organs is something to be avoided at all costs, pulling in by the stomach....which century are we in? |
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Location: West Chicago, IL | If they're such delicate creatures, we shouldn't be sticking them with a face full of metal as hard as we can. A lot of our full force hook sets are in their throats and gills. I can't really see how this way of fishing could possibly do more damage to them as that. |
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Hookless suckers