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| Does anyone no if the 54 inch 42 pound muskie in lake Saint clair was a cpr??? They say its the biggest fish to ever be caught in this body of water??? |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | LOL and its not even April 1st |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It WAS April first a while ago...
Haven't heard about that fish. |
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Location: Webster Lake | I seen it in a publication from Michigan. I cant remember the name of the paper. I was at the Webster Lake Ramp someone there was showing the picture around. It looked like it was kept from the picture but I don't know for sure.
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Location: st clair shores, MI | That fish was not released. |
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Location: SW Michigan | According to the article in Woods-n-Water News the 54 incher was just over 30# & #6 in the state overall. They also caught and released a 58 1/2" that same day! WOW |
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Location: st clair shores, MI | That was a differant fish those where caught in June with Capt. Harvo on big tuna charters.The 42lb fish was caught last weekend.
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Location: Burlington, WI | Holy smokes! That is a big fish. Too bad it didn't go back. |
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Location: SW Michigan | I kind of suspected it was a different fish. thanks for the pics. Great fish! |
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| Someone from our organizations needs to have a talk with those darn fish keeping charters up there! |
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Location: st clair shores, MI | Its not the charter guys or the normal crowd out here killing fish.Its the novice fisherman that is the worst offender.I stopped in to my taxidermist friend the other day and he had 2 muskys about 46 inchers. He said they were the only 2 he has taken in this year one was caught by a guy casting for bass off the seawall and the other was a kid and his dad perch fishing .These are the people that do the most harm here not the regulars and charter guys. |
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| That fish was taken in a cash tourney. unfortunately theres been an onslaught. The clubs based in michigan have a cash tourney every month, with a couple others run out of Huron point yacht club. As for charter boats they do more harm then good. They will not properly c.p.r. fish. if a fish belly ups they dont turn back to revive. Hopefully things will change. . that was a beauty and fall will produce bigger yet. Hopefully m.i. would get involved in changes. They need help from every muskie hound, for change. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I think I saw a post a bit earlier on another thread that challenged the idea charters won't stop to revive a fish. I know some do, so maybe that attitude and practice will spread.
Tournaments don't cause any significant biological impact, that's been proven over and over. The CPR ethic OVERALL is what's important, and tournament groups in general and specifically in Michigan ARE stressing CPR. One way to encourage the ethic even more is to disqualify a kept fish from the awards and offer a replica for the largest as part of the payout. Many clubs in the Mid West do exactly that. |
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| Its not the charter guys or the normal crowd out here killing fish.Its the novice fisherman that is the worst offender.I stopped in to my taxidermist friend the other day and he had 2 muskys about 46 inchers. He said they were the only 2 he has taken in this year one was caught by a guy casting for bass off the seawall and the other was a kid and his dad perch fishing .These are the people that do the most harm here not the regulars and charter guys.
i'm pretty fervent about catch-and-release, because of the people who started promoting it 25 years ago i've got better fishing opportunities today and i'm grateful for it.
that being said, i'm not quite willing to get upset when a kid catches a 46" muskie while perch fishing and decides to get it mounted. in fact, i'm downright ok with it. statistically, it's all of us muskie fishermen who probably do the "most harm" through delayed mortality of released fish. it's not intentional, and we do our best to release fish healthy, but that kills many many more fish than the bass fishermen or kids who are perch fishing.
cash tournaments that allow for kept fish to be qualified are another story, and although legal, i wish that people would make other choices. and i'd be willing to say so to them (without calling them names) if i ran into them. however, i'd congratulate the perch fishing kid on a nice trophy, mention the idea of catch and release and ask them to consider it next time, sure, but i wouldn't criticize.
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Unreal how St-Clair can keep producing with the number of fish killed. The Canadian side is almost 100% C&R but many of the MI charters keep fish as well as having the worse C&R ethics ever seen. From not stopping to reel fish in to have them flop on floor for hook removal then pictures are taken then the fish are just thrown overboard without ever a care. And all that because they are fishing with extra lines out as MI laws allow for 2 rods per anglers but not Ontario. MI also has these kill tourneys where many 50+ inch fish are killed every single time, just try and find MMOC to see the slaughter pictures.
BTW I was on St-Clair for 4 days last year and every day I saw a floater. In all my years of fishing the Ottawa and other water bodies I have seen 2.
BTW 2 St-Clair does produce the odd 40 pounder, I'm sure it's no record but it used to be a nice fish. |
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| so true!st-claire on the us side is a real slaughterhouse but the canadian side also have a lot of problems because a lot of them cross the border  |
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| We've got a situation in Musky fishing that has two types of folks trying for trophys now, especially on the big waters of the great lakes and parts east where trolling big water is the norm as opposed to the harder more physically challenging approach of castinig all day. The industry has been quite successful in hyping the big fish caught and the mystique of the Musky, so much so that your average Joe is interested more than ever in hooking into one of these monsters on vacation if possible.
IMO it's similar to Billfishing. There are folks in both sports who really treasure the resource and put alot of their $$ and time into chasing fish and looking for the big girls, then there are the one time tourist types who see these fish on TV and in magazines and want a shot at one. On the big big bodies of water, typically more eastern great lakes influenced waters folks hire the guides with big boats and downriggers, side planers and multiple rod holders and just ride around with the guide until a musky gets caught by the boat and the captain and they get to reel it in and say they caught it, get their photo taken with it and mount it for a trophy. I took a guided charter out one time for Salmon on St. Clair before I started musky fishing and was so soured on the experience that I really can't see how anyone would want to do it. Sitting there all day long waiting for someone else to catch a fish for me is not my thing. Reminds me of the trophy safari hunts in Africa, they take you to the place where the buffalo eat every day, hand you a rifle and tell you when to shoot, you shoot, then they cut off the head for you and next thing you know you have a buffalo head in your executive den. Never got your hands dirty, Never ate any buffalo in the process either.
I truly believe that most all guides and charters are good guys who value the resource as it is important to their livelihood. Unfortunately, there is an "old school"
attitude that exists and is IMO more prevalent in the Eastern US, big bodies of water, that they are limitless oceans, especially when muskys are stocked every year. When these charter guides meet the Tourist trophy hunter then you've got a situation that will keep the old school attitudes going. All we can do is continue to educate in an inclusive way, and hope that these attitudes change. It's not the harm that keeping a few trophy fish every year can do, it's the overall attitude that will lead to such practices as those barbaric practices outlined in above posts. As far as I'm concerned it's immoral to waste a resource like that, and it's no different if it's a crappie, Quail, Squirrel or Musky. Heck, my grandpa and dad would tan my hide if I went fishing and gut hooked a bass then tried to throw it back because I was too lazy to clean it. Don't throw it back if it might not make it. Don't waste it, eat it! If you can't fish for musky without kiling them, then you only get to catch one keeper a day! Even the fact that in Michigan one is allowed to fish two lines at once is to me an indication of the old school attitudes of catch and kill, catch as many as you can as quick as you can. Reminds me of the old guys in Central Florida with 10 crappie poles out and a freezer at home bursting with filets from last year, but they just can't stand to throw them back!
Again I say, can't blame guides and charters for wanting to use every available option to put clients on a fish of a lifetime, just think that they'd be more protective of their resource and insist on CPR and replicas instead of skin mounts and dragging fish, then throwing them on deck for however long it takes for CP then throwing them back for lack of something better to do with them. Betcha they'd change their procedure a bit if a DNR person was there to make them clean and eat if it was obviously not going to make it!
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