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Location: Hayward, WI | I have heard that during the Indianhead Tourny on Bone and Deer this past weekend one of the contestents released a fish by tossing it into the air. A home owner saw this and raised a fuss, but supposedley the guy who did this had a video that explains that this starttles the fish and is the "new" method to revive a musky? I have never heard this before? Is this old news and I missed something? Anyone seen this video?
Edited by kjgmh 8/21/2007 8:43 AM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Nope.
Sounds weird to me, I'm pretty sure the fish was 'startled' enough by getting stuck and netted. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i've seen the release where a guy literally throws the fish straight down on a st. clare tv gig and thought it wrong and odd too, but there they have a name for it and basically are trying to get the fish down to cooler water quickly ... or at least that was the explaination. can't remember now, but i emailed the show afterward and they provided an explaination, it was quite a few years back now ... and i'm old so can't remember
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Location: S.E. Wisconsin | I seen some guy on tv this weekend, "chuck" a tuna in the drink head first, said it was the best thing to do, but thats a tuna. Ive also heard that the back and forth method to reviving muskies can acually drown them, a simple twisting or snake pattern in the water was much better???? Now would be a good time to go over release techniqes from the guys who acually catch fish because every fish I have been around had no problem getting away from me.. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | take the time to get some videos ... badfish outdoors does a great job (with the exception of gordy just grabbing them to land them of course) releasing. if you watch mark, he'll have the fish in the water and tap them on the side and then all of a sudden they explode swimming away ... cool stuff.
otherwise ... you are right. just simply hold them lightly by the tail still and if anything maybe some light side to side ... as long as they can hold themselves upright, they will be good to go ... you can screw it up shoving them all around ...
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Location: Norway | People here use something similar for our sander. They spear/throw them head first into to the water, coz they say that it 'wakes them up' from the shock/trauma of being caught.
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| With tuna, false albacore, dorado, and most other pelagic species, it's a matter of getting that rush of water over the gills, and that head first plunge is what works the best.
I could imagine that with muskies, pike, or other freshwater species it may end up doing more harm than good if the fish has any buildup of lactic acid at all. They would be completely unable to right themselves and recover, effectively drowning themselves in the process. |
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Location: Southeast Wisconsin | The boats that release fish like that on st claire usually have several lines out and dont stop the boat to fight/net fish. Kinda hard to release a ski at 5 MPH..
I saw Doug Stange do it on In Fisherman with a 40"er...Personally I dont think its a very fish friendly release method to be practicing on a popular TV show. |
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| I've shoved muskies down, head first, to get them in the cooler subsurface water. Only after repeated attempts at letting the fish go on it's own. Sometimes, fish just don't/can't/won't stay upright in the higher temp of the surface water. Sometimes, they need a bit of a boost. I always stay around for a while to make sure they are down for good.
I've not launched them from a standing position on a moving boat like they do on some LSC charter boats. I think they call the technique "submarining" them. I do believe it works to a point. I don't hear of a lot of floaters on LSC, and they catch a lot of fish out there. |
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| With the big high sided boats they use on LSC do they have much choice? We have revived Muskies that won't go by hooking a finger under their jaw and move forward slowly with the electric. Opening and closing the mouth slowly. Seems to always work for us. |
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| It's called the "torpedo"
http://www.muskie-lures.com/rocketman/index5.htm
Under catch and release |
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Location: ohio | Thats wild, never heard of it, I use the back and forth method, Hope I havn't been doing it wrong all these years .. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | NEVER move a fish back and forth while trying to revive it. Fish aren't designed to have water go the wrong way through their gills. You end up doing as much harm as good.
Instead keep the fish upright and into the current or if you're drifting put their head down-wind so water is coming through it's mouth and out it's gills. I've heard that softly moving the fish side-to-side works, but I think it's bound to be done wrong when bouncing around in a boat. |
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| I had a biologist tell me that if a fish is very stressed (heat, long fight, yadda yadda) you will actually begin to feel that fish want to "cramp" as he called it. They begin to get rigid, and pulled to one side of center. Supposedly tail wags help to keep the muscle moving and keep blood flowing, re-oxygenating, and carrying out the lactic acid.
While I haven't seen this first-had with larger muskies, I have seen it with 30 inch fish, as well as large trout. Seemed that it did make a difference. I think that as long as water is moving over a fishes gills, and they are upright (provided they aren't already dead when you land them) there is a great chance you can successfully revive a fish. It might take time, but what else have we got? |
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Location: st clair shores, MI | I have been fishing st clair muskys for pretty much my whole life and have found the torpedo release works well. But on most of the bigger fish we usually slow the boat down get on the swim platform and drag them with the lip grip until they are ready to go and then release.Some guys out here will get in the water with the fish and try to swim it down to deeper colder water if its necesary. |
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Location: ohio | When you guy's are talking torpedo ,,, are you talking about having the fishes head already in the water then forcing it down ? if so do you release it or continue torpedoing it ? or just ""pushing"" it down into the water ,,,Thanks... |
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New release method?