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| Just looking for some thoughts on a boat.I've been real interested with a used 1760 tiller but the only thing that is holding up me buying it is the fact it has a 90 on the back and I'm worried it will cause me problems in the future because of the 75 rating now[was there ever a time they where rated for 90?]although that boat should handle just fine being rated for 150 with a wheel.I no there are a few out there from message boards on walleye central and here.I don't know if I'd really look at the boat with a 75 not enough power,would probably go with a warrior with a 115.Thanks for any thoughts. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Sworall should be able to fill you in on the other details, but as for your question to having problems in the future with a 90 on a boat rated for a 75. Yes, you can have problems if you were checked. However, the boat may have got rerated, which means in that case they were able to put that motor on it. Having that larger engine on it without it being rerated, that can also I believe cause problems with being able to insure the boat. Because if you were to have a problem with it, or something would happen while on the water and the insurance company would find out you had a larger engine than what it was rated for, that could also cause some major problems. Not only that, if you went to resell it, that would definitely hold a majority of people back from wanting to purchase the boat if it weren't rerated by the Coast Guard. |
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| i've got an '06 Tuffy 1760 tiller for sale right now with a 70hp Suzuki and it runs low 30s with a full load: $18,500
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=30...
i've seen some '06 Warrior 1890 tillers for sale with 115hp 4-strokes on them, not sure of their top speed: $28,500
they're slightly longer and a bit wider than the Tuffy 1760, but not quite as big as the Tuffy 1890. (ie., not entirely comparing apples-to-apples)
over a distance of 5 miles, going 40mph will get you to your destination 2 1/2 minutes sooner than going 30mph.
for some people, that kind of a difference in speed is worth $10k.
as for running a boat with a motor above the Coast Guard rating, definitely talk to your insurance agent! |
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Location: De Pere Wisconsin | I think Lambeau is on to something. Sometimes some simple math will help clear what could be a misconception or basic misunderstanding. I have an 06 Esox Mag with a 60 hp Etec. I spoke with Lambeau about his boat and was concerned about speed also...but the Tuffy specs don't state that the caples version weighs I think Mike said like 250 lbs. less.
So, here's my comparison - no one ever said esox mags were underpowered, and the 1760 without a cap weighs like 300 lbs. more is and is rated for 15 more horses. Should be fairly well powered - and boy does an extra 10g's come in handy!
But don't buy it cause I am interested too 
so here's the boats ...
esox mag 900 lbs - 60hp
Esox 1760 1250 lbs-75 hp (70 for Lambeau's)
Ranger 618T 1600 lbs -90hp.
Seems perfectly reasonable to me. |
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| An 18' Warrior is over horsepowered with a 115 tiller, regardless of what the manufacturer says. A tiller under 20' is still a tiller, regardless of whatever hydraulic steering system you choose to put on it, and needs to comply with the coast guard tiller horsepower ratings. |
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| Not sure what you trying to say. measureme. If the boat is rated for a 115, and has the CG plate on it, it is all good. And, if the boat has the Merten's system on it, it may be rated higher than the normal tiller rating. It's just that most manufacturers don't spend the extra money to qualify them that way. Take the Ranget 620T. It's rated for 150 HP with the Merten's on it, but only 90 HP as a plain tiller.
I would wait for Cory Painter to weigh in on this. He's got the 1760 with the full cap in a tiller, at the rated 75 HP, I think. I don't think you could convince him that he's underpowered. |
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| 620T rated for a 125 w/o the Mertens, 150 with the power steering.I have a 115 with the Mertens.Alone with a light load, pushes 40mph.Heavy load is in the mid 30's. Steve |
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| Thanks alot for all the input,valid points where brought up.Do alot of my fishing on lake winnebago and don't need the fastest boat but would like to get in the upper thirty's.I've had a warrior,alumacraft,skeeter and lund in the past but never a tuffy,I've heard the 1760 is a nice boat in big water?Been without a boat for the last 2 years cannot make it another year and I thought that 1760 in the classifieds would work out,but I am worried about resale down the road.A 90 on this boat is perfect for it's weight.Crestliners 1750 is rated for a 90 and it is also 17'6".Shep have you seen any of these 1760 with 90 out there?well got some thinking to do..Thanks |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | speed vs. getting up and flat are two entirely different things and before you do anything, understand the difference of getting out of the water before you buy a boat! there's nothing worse than buying a bulldozer and having to live with it! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Don't worry, Sled, this one isn't a 'bulldozer'.
I have owned a couple 1760 models. They plane in less than 5 seconds with a full load and a 75, so this one will be better.
My new boat this year is a 1760 GC with a buck and a half, and Shrimp at Mr. Marine bets me I'll crack 60. We will see in a couple weeks! |
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| matching the right motor to your particular boat/hull is important.
there is a full range of motor options available to customers (amount of hp, 4-stroke vs 2-stroke, etc)
investigating that prior to purchase is a good idea.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | it was a general statement that of course applies to all boats ... i've personally been running centers for 10 years and made the mistake of having a whaler with a tough time getting up and flat ... the most miserable 4 years of boat ownership i've ever had. it seemed like i had to plough bottom for half the lake to get up on plane and i would actually fish dead water or putt instead of going through the nonsense to run to a spot or try to get out of shallow water. i made the mistake of not running it fully loaded before buying it and got something i didn't like. the boat was great, but the package was terrible ... the tillers are in a tough place with performance and safety working in a delicate balance. it seems that yarcraft and warrior raised the max. hp bar within uscg guidelines and the others are following ... am i missing something?
i'm going to be in the market for a boat either this year if a couple deals develop or for sure next year ... others really studying what they are looking for should learn from all our experiences worth sharing.
the current boat i run will get up and flat immediately and i have the confidence to launch in less than 2' of water without wondering ... it's a great piece of mind to have when considering a boat ... that's the message i intended to convey. the only problem is that there are no seats and i'm getting old. |
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| That Tuffy 1760 is no sled, no pun intended. It gets up on plane easily with the 75. Cory Painter had his out on Michigan several years ago for the SalmonFirst Wolfpack outing. There was no issue getting on plane, even with 3 in the boat. I've seen a couple 1760 tillers on Bago over the years. One white one with a Johnson 4 stroke? was out quite a bit. Pretty sure it was not a 90. I don't think you'd be disappointed with the rated 75. The CG rating does say Max Recommended HP, though I'm not sure how that unfolds with insurance and the CG itself.
All the Lund 1700's have a 75 HP rating for the tillers. 90 HP for the 1800's. As I said, perhaps Painter wil show up and offer his experiences with his 75HP.
Also, bear in mind that Cory's is a 75 2-stroke, and I believe the 2-strokes outperform most 4 strokes in that size range. Just my opinion, though.
Edited by Shep 3/13/2007 7:09 AM
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| Corys is a 75 4 stroke...I've been in his boat quite a bit..it moves just fine with that particular motor |
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Location: lansing, il | brad are you saying shep is wrong????? come on man...not possible! |
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| It is a 4 stroke? Well, I guess I look a little foolish on that, now don't I?
Whatever, I know Cory is very happy with his Boat/Motor combination. Hope he post here and shares his experience.
Edited by Shep 3/13/2007 1:14 PM
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| If I was going to buy new I would be ok with a 75 after all the positive remarks with the performance of the 1760.But this one is a slightly used one and looks to be a nice boat and would help with the tight budget I have at home.But I am one of those guys That keeps a boat for 2 or 3 years and trys something else.I am just concerned that I will have a tuff time selling it because of the 90 4 stroke on back right now although I think it would be a great boat and perform great.Maybe I'll have to keep looking,hard one to pass up... |
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| Sled,
What did Yar Craft do to re- rate tiller horsepower? Nothing. Boat has to rate by USCG formula. Warrior is playing with BIG fire. Rating a boat with the tiller power steering they build as 'remote steering'. Enginesteer ( way better system) can't get rated as 'remote' so the Warrior system won't either. Caveat Emptor. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i don't know ... the ratings for tillers had been different between brands with similar specifications and it seems everyone is getting increases in their units now to compete.
you seem to have some answers ... how does one brand have a different rating than another when the size of the boat is the same?
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