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| what knot should i use for tying flurocarbon leaders? |
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A crimp |
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Location: Racine, Wi | If you do a search here, this has been discussed a few times. I use the DuBro nail knot tying thingy. Works well, and I've never had a failure using this knot. I think R+H has them http://www.muskyshop.com/modules/cart/products.php/keys/nail+knot/p... as does Bass Pro Shops. |
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| Do a search on this topic, it's been raised many times. I tie a knot (name?) and then paint it oh-so-lightly with super glue. I copied Extreme Mike's approach. Not a single failure in the last 4 years. Solid wire for gliders and 80# Flouro for everything else. The Dubro tools are GREAT for making straight wire leaders. |
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Location: Suspended | I use the Palomar Knot for flouro up to 80lbs. |
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Location: St. Louis, MO., Marco Is., FL, Nestor Falls, ON | I, too, suggest you look at crimping instead of knot tying. I believe most crimp failures are a result of improper crimping. Sometimes it's just as simple as crimping in the wrong direction.
I use double barreled crimps and a decent crimping tool. After reading the attached link on how to crimp, I discovered I was using the crimping tool improperly. This is the best information I have been able to find on how to make good crimps. I know I can crimp leaders a lot faster than I can tie a knot and properly draw it down. I love the tip on using a lighter on the tag end and flattening out the soft ball on the end. It makes a more sure and cleaner tag than trying to cut it after the crimp.
Hope you enjoy this link:
http://www.leadertec.com/tipsandtechniques/crimp_techniques.html |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | Use heavy stuff, 130 or 180 QUALITY fluro...not cheap stuff or light weight (less than 100) |
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Location: Northern Illinois | I'm a dinosaur. I can't talk myself into trusting the tooth resistance of these leaders. In steel I trust. |
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| I use the UniKnot when I premake my leaders. I stretch them on a board between nails, ala Capt. Extreme. In the boat, I just use a plain old clinch knot. I've not had a failure yet. I use 50# and 80# Scientific Angler, or Seguar. Which ever I can get.
I guess if I used 130# and up flouro, I'd have to consider crimping. Don't see that day coming any too soon. |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | If you decide to use the smaller lines, you are running the risk of having it break.
Clear is clear...not matter what, so why not use something you won't have to worry about? Why run the risk of getting it bitten through?
Use proper gear |
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| I agree with Mike...the reason I started making and using my own 180 lb leaders 3 yrs ago is fluoro is clear no matter how thick in the water..so 50 looks the same to the fish as 180 lb...i've heard of bite off's with 50 and 80 lb fluoro...try taking a sharp filet knife to 80 and then do that to 180...big difference in how much force it takes to cut thru...
180 lb crimped with double barrel sleeves...these leaders can be purchased from Stealth Tackle....
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| Yup, agreed, clear is clear. But for me, I like the bait action better with the 50# and 80#. Never had a bite off yet. Doesn't mean I won't, I understand. That's a risk I'm willing to take. It certainly doesn't mean I'm not using the proper gear. |
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| I'm with Shep, though I've never tried anything bigger than 80#. In particular, I like the action I get twitching cranks and jerking Suicks with the 80#. Maybe 130 or 180 would work just as well. |
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| i will be using them for magnum and supermagnum bulldawgs. i was thinking of 130#. but should i use 180#? |
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Location: Columbus, Georgia | Does anyone (else) feel that there are lighter lures that simply lose their action when you drag it behind a 180 lb. test leader.
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| the difference in width from 80 lb to 180 is .33 of a MM...
to answer your question I feel the action on all the lures i throw is not hampened by the 180 lb leader...at least the fish don't seem to mind ... |
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Location: Columbus, Georgia | Point well taken. Thanks. |
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| Has more to do with rigidity than diameter. 180 pound fluoro is much stiffer than 50-80. Take your 80 and make a circle with it. Take your 180 and make a circle with it. Which takes more energy to make into a circle (i.e. maneuver with)? Eeeexactly. |
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| like I said...the 175 fish I've personally caught the last 3 seasons haven't seemed to mind plus the other 125+ my friends have caught with them..to each there own..i'll stick with 180 so i don't ever get bit off.... |
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| I use vanish 100lb with a palomar knot. I change leaders often (daily), at least after every fish.
My question is has anybody sliced the heavier floro 180 with razor/ knife and compared it to the 100lb. Is it really that different? Raw strength on a straight pull is differen than durability against a slashing tooth. Just Curious.
I do have more faith in knots than crimps unless precision is ensured. When cutting tag ends use sharp equipment, floro has a tendency to splinter. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | You guys are changing my opinion on the fluorocarbon leaders. I'm going to try some this year I guess. I guess I was looking at them as a high strength mono. I can see where you'd get more strikes with an invisible leader. Time for Renaldo to upgrade. I was very concerned about notch sensitivity. Hey, I'm no spring chicken.... |
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| 300 plus fish on 50# Vanish since I started using it. Not one single bite off. I don't get them for free. I tie a modified palomar knot. I will try dubro piece. Thanks for the suggestions. |
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