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| I got a chance to look at the rumbler on display at the R&H booth in Milwaukee Friday night. I was a bit surprised. I had heard that this bait was going to be pretty hot this year and a lot of the talk centered around the solid plastic body and its weight. Frankly, it just didn't feel very heavy. People had stated that the extra weight would help create further casts and wouldn't get blown out of the water as easily. The bait didn't feel all that much heavier than a regular topraider. I've gotten kind of tired chasing all these new baits the past few years. Some of them just don't improve much on existing baits. Does anyone know the weight of the rumbler?
I know that Doug Johnson is involved, at least in testing and advertising, with this new bait. I can't say that sixty fish among five guys for a year of testing on LOTW's is any better than a topraider would have performed. I know that sometimes the little things can make a big difference at times however. Does anyone have both a new rumbler and topraider and can compare there weight? It would be nice to have a prop bait perform as good as the topraider and not have to worry about busting that internal weight on them. Any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated.
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Location: Columbus, Georgia | I am out of town and do not have access to my Topraiders in order to weigh them to calculate the difference, but for those of you who have never seen The Rumbler ... here it is.
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| Bill, give me a call at R&H and I'll go weigh our sample on the postal scale. We sold every Rumbler we had at the Chicago show and the one you saw at Milwaukee was our sample for the catalog photo. By the way, the tail hook on that one is not what the stock Rumblers will have as I understand it. I think it is a bit heavier than a TR but how much, I'm just not sure.
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| Great spots on that map, Craig!!! Lol!
Back to the original question. It is heavier. There is a large keel weight that helps add weight, but I think a lot of it comes from the solid wood resin (not plastic) that the bait is used from. Try contacting Don himself and maybe he'll be able to answer your question more thoroughly (www.crazycrank.net).
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Location: Columbus, Georgia | esox50,
Walsh's Baystore Camp August 4 to the 13th.
Bet your life I'll be throwing my Rumblers!!!
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| Couple of my favorite milk run spots are on that map! |
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| esox50 - 2/12/2007 9:39 PM
Great spots on that map, Craig!!! Lol!
Back to the original question. It is heavier. There is a large keel weight that helps add weight, but I think a lot of it comes from the solid wood resin (not plastic) that the bait is used from. Try contacting Don himself and maybe he'll be able to answer your question more thoroughly (www.crazycrank.net).
We received a cut away sample from them at Rollie & Helen's and I believe they said it was a poly-foam resin. Doesn't look anything like a wood composite resin to me. That's really neither here nor there but as I said I'll try to put one on the postal scale and get an accurate weight for you guys. |
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Location: Girdwood, Alaska | cjrich:
We'll be staying at baystore camp from July 28 - Aug. 4th for the first time. It will be my first ever trip to LOTW and i'm pumped for it! |
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Location: The desert | I'm not going to come out and say the bait isnt going to be effective, perhaps it will be the next got to have bait, who knows? But when I was in Chicago holding it in my hands the bait didnt scream buy me I'll catch fish. I cant justify the price either when if you look in stores at the right times you can find TR's and Super TR's for much lower. I have no bad things to say about the bait, but I just dont see one in my box anytime soon. |
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Location: NeverNever Lake | We are blessed to have such great veteran muskie anglers to visit this board from time to time such as Doug J. Be lucky to meet a handful of peeps in our entire lifetime whom are direct and to the point, without spin and BS. That don't nourish themselves with ego and pride and one-upedness.
I asked Todd M to get me a Rumbler at the Chi Show and he did. It's snot green and hangin beside the console in my truck. I have showed it to a bunch of peeps already. Can't wait to throw it!
If Doug J tells me eating dog poop before the hunt will help my game, I will tell my friends it's only a cigar................get my drift? |
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| Pete Stoltman - 2/12/2007 10:40 PM
esox50 - 2/12/2007 9:39 PM
Great spots on that map, Craig!!! Lol!
Back to the original question. It is heavier. There is a large keel weight that helps add weight, but I think a lot of it comes from the solid wood resin (not plastic) that the bait is used from. Try contacting Don himself and maybe he'll be able to answer your question more thoroughly (www.crazycrank.net).
We received a cut away sample from them at Rollie & Helen's and I believe they said it was a poly-foam resin. Doesn't look anything like a wood composite resin to me. That's really neither here nor there but as I said I'll try to put one on the postal scale and get an accurate weight for you guys.
Checked my emails. You were right, Pete. Don said it it's made out of a plastic resin.
DougJ mentioned it sat lower in the water than other prop baits, this is due to the keel weight which reduces the buoyancy toward the head of the bait.
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| Pointerpride102 - 2/12/2007 11:15 PM
I'm not going to come out and say the bait isnt going to be effective, perhaps it will be the next got to have bait, who knows? But when I was in Chicago holding it in my hands the bait didnt scream buy me I'll catch fish. I cant justify the price either when if you look in stores at the right times you can find TR's and Super TR's for much lower. I have no bad things to say about the bait, but I just dont see one in my box anytime soon.
Same can be said about A LOT of baits, including (IMO) the Weagle or almost any bucktail ever created... However, like the Weagle there are very subtle nuances that make the bait unique and give it its fish catching properties. |
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Location: The desert | Yep you are right 50......I never bought a weagle or a XX or really any of the hyped up baits. By some dumb luck I won a few in a raffle, so obviously I'll use them, but wasnt planning on spending the $$. I'm sure you know just as well the quality cash situation I am in LOL! |
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Location: Iowa | How much does the Rumbler Run at the show so I can plan accordingly...
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| I own protoypes and I will have the new production version soon. I have fallen for many baits based on "Hype" before and it is those baits of mine that you will find on the buy,sell,trade forum. As busy as that part of this website is it looks like I am not alone! I can assure you that my Rumblers will not end up there. We all have the right to talk them up or put them down.......just don't do either until you have given them an honest effort.
Bait manufacturers build baits for two reasons :to catch fish and fishermen.......not necessarily in that order.
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Lower $20. Like $22.50
They will have a better collection of colors later on. |
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Location: Columbus, Georgia | My understanding is that until they begin to mass produce these baits ... The Rumbler is all gone.
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Location: The desert | FYGR8 - 2/13/2007 10:30 AM
I own protoypes and I will have the new production version soon. I have fallen for many baits based on "Hype" before and it is those baits of mine that you will find on the buy,sell,trade forum. As busy as that part of this website is it looks like I am not alone! I can assure you that my Rumblers will not end up there. We all have the right to talk them up or put them down.......just don't do either until you have given them an honest effort.
Bait manufacturers build baits for two reasons :to catch fish and fishermen.......not necessarily in that order.
Todd Williamson
Care to explain why they wont end up like some other hyped baits that didnt pan out? Why should a person have this bait over a TR or Tally Whacker or the like? |
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| Solid bait, a dream to cast and just a bit different. Will it replace every other topwater bait?.....NO! Is it worth owning?.....YES! Will it make you a better fisherman?.....NO! It is a quality bait that will be a favorite among a percentage of those who own and use them. Like any bait on the market......everyones experiences will be different. No one will ever build the only bait you'll ever need! If you can afford to fill numerous boxes to clutter up your boat....add it to the arsenal....if not continue throwing your TR's,globes,pacemakers,tallywackers,thunderheads,topkicks,awakers,etc.......................I think you get my point.
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Location: Columbus, Georgia | I just happen to be a topwater nut. I don't purchase every topwater lure that has ever been made, but I do have dozens of surface baits that are known to catch fish at one time or another.
For me, throwing a lot of these baits is like playing with toys. I might truly enjoy one of them, but that does not mean that I cannot enjoy playing with the other toys in my box as well.
I understand that throwing a bait that does not catch fish (or as many and as often) seems somewhat counterproductive .... I just feel that I get bored playing with the same toy over and over and over.
Topraider, Pacemaker, one of Holcombe's baits, AHL. My list goes on and on, as I am sure most other guys does as well.
I have a great time whenever I am on the water. Catching Musky is of course the overriding purpose -- but playing with those toys goes right along as well.
Don't know if anyone else feels this way too.
When I re-read the threads about everyone's "LOTW Top Ten Lures List" I know very well that there really is no concrete and valid reason why I should warehouse 300+ Musky baits and counting. There is no apparent need. Fish can be caught consistently using a handful of proven and time tested baits.
But, for me it always leads back to playing with these toys, and I sense that I derive as much pleasure from that as I do those few minutes (sometime less) of excitement landing a nice fish.
Yes, yes. A little too philosophical, but that's how I feel.
I really do get a lot of enjoyment from the MuskieFirst board. This is such a great resource and learning tool for me.
How often have we all seen (or actually remember ourselves) a child getting a gift (new toy) on a holiday or for an occasion: the child is wild about the toy and a couple of days later his Mother will say, "It was all the rage for a day or two and now he barely gives it a second look."
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Location: The desert | FYGR8 - 2/13/2007 10:42 AM
I am speaking of the hyped baits that I have purchased that did not meet my expectations. The Rumbler already has! Does that explain it? Everyone has their own opinion....this is mine. Sorry if I offended you!
Not sure how you read into me being offended? No need to get defensive just asking a simple question of HOW it has met your expectations. WHY is it not like other hyped baits? WHAT sets this bait apart from something like a TR or Pacemaker or Tally Whacker? There was no offense taken on my part, just curiosity and asking to elaborate on your statements. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | I have a few Rumblers at my house right now. I can tell you this: their color will not scratch off because the material it is made with is dyed through with the paint, the construction seems as solid if not more so than other comperable lures. The tail is made to be easily adjusted so that you can hit that "right sound" by tuning it. It has the weight needed for cast accuracy and the weighting system seems to have a better chance at lasting longer versus other baits of the same type. All of this added on to a positive endorsement from some pretty reliable names means that I'll give it a try in 2007.
My guess is that just bringing it to the lake probably wont put fish in the boat. Casting it to spots where there are no muskies probably wont put fish in the boat. Fishing it on lakes where there isnt a strong topwater bite might not be the best place to try them. However, I do feel pretty strongly that the Rumbler will supplant at least one other lure of the same type into my bait rotation.
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| Hyped baits.I love this one.HR, DDD, Weagle....the list goes on.I would suspect that the aforementioned baits have caught a few fish.Cowgirls?Oh, and maybe just a few there too.Too much $$$$?How much is a big fish worth?I think $25 per 50" would be a bargain.II played with the Rumbler in Chicago and thought it was pretty cool.Mind -blowing- must have...... no.Will I have one this season?You bet.Why?Because I have a job(that allows me to purchase baits) and a curiosity as to what makes it different.And if it's good enough for my friend Doug, it's good enough for me.'Nuff said. Steve |
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Location: Iowa | Well put Jonesi...well put...
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Location: Kentucky | I snagged one at the Chi Muskie Show, and I have to agree with Jonesi. It's durable, easy casting, and has great sound. My first trip to LOTW was last year, and am going back this summer. After putting my TopRaiders and Pacemakers through brain damage due to my poor casting, I'll be glad to give this one a try.
Craig, that's an accurate analogy. It's a toy... and a tool if someone is auditing the expenditures required by our fine sport. Part of the fun is playing with all the toys; part of getting the job done is using the right tool. If you took away all my prop-tail topwaters (or screwdrivers), I'd have a tough time. That doesn't mean I need 25 flat head screwdrivers in similar sizes. Sorry, I'll quit Rumbling... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Hey Slamr,
Cast that bait over by that rock...
I also have a new Rumbler, and think it sounds and looks pretty good. |
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | Weight comparison......
I just put both the Top Raider and the Rumbler on my postal scale. The Top Raider came in at 2.32 ounces and the Rumbler at 2.88 ounces.
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| Couple of points here. Aaron is right on with the weights. My scale wasn't quite as detailed but came in at 2.4 for the TR and 2.9 for the Rumbler. Slamr, one slight correction the paint/dye on the Rumbler is not all the way through. It's a surface paint although appears to be a good one. The cutaway versions I have of these (2) show that the material underneath is sort of an off white. |
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Location: Columbus, Georgia | Don Schwartz, the man who has made all of the Rumblers to date, has told me (emphatically so) on two occasions that the color is consistent all of the way through the lure, and stated that subsequent Rumblers will simply be painted.
Mr. Stoltman, how did you determine that the lures to date were painted? What is a "cutaway version?" I'd like to examine my Rumbers to determine the same thing.
Thanks,
Craig
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| Not sure on the overall weight versus a topraider, etc. but it's weight per volume (density, eh) is definitely higher. And that's what's important - it sits considerably lower in the water than anyother rotating tail topwater that I have seen. That's cool. How's supply doing on these - I know they sold out in Chicago (got the last 3) and other shows, but don't see them available on ebay which is a shocker. Where did all the weagle capitalists go? |
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| Just got back here and Craig and I have had some PM's back and forth. When we received delivery of our first batch of Rumblers we were also given a couple samples of them that had been cut in half lengthways. This was to be able to show customers the solid core nature. That's what I'm referring to as the cutaway version. Now on those baits the finish is on the surface only and beneath that finish is the core resin material that appears to be kind of an off white color. That's what I meant and hope that clears things up. |
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