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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Finally, this feels like northern Wisconsin Winter. |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Must be that pesky global warming.
Kevin
It's the cows.
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| Just hit 0 degrees (no wind chill) here in Champaign, IL.
Long, cold walk to Assembly Hall, but well worth the numb face after watching the Illini hand it to Minnesota!!!!  |
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Location: Carney, Mi (in da UP eh!) | -14 below zero with a windchill of -29 outside, papermachine I'm working on 105 deg's on top of coater tech dryers, just a little temp difference..Randy |
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| -22 with -44 windchill, it's time to put away the shorts!!!! |
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Location: ladysmith, wi | and i have to help with a icefishing tourny tommorow, please spring hurry up |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | hey ... somebody go start my diesel ... it's been sitting in the airport parking lot in rhinelander for 2 weeks ..... she's gonna be a peach to start when i get back!
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| only 0 here and my diesels plugged in. boy will yours moan. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | zero degrees?!!... BALMY.
-10 degrees... NIPPY
-15 with wind... A LITTLE RAW
-20 wind or not CHILLY
Below that it's all the same...Just cold. Down right cold.
Just think what it would have been like with more snow on the ground... I know northern MN would have been much lower if there was snow. Gotta wonder how many water mains are cracking with very little insulation on the ground..
Steve
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| -30.4 in Hayward this morn.Couch looks inviting again today! |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | Supposed to make it to 47 here today... 
Ice fishing in T-shirts.
S. |
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Location: vermilion bay,ontario | -38 in vermilion bay,-47 with the wind chill,think i will stay home today and tune into the super bowl.looks like about another 3 days of this stuff. |
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Location: The desert | Went ice fishing in the blustery weather yesterday. Only took a half hour to set up the first tip up cause it was so cold. Worth it though, caught lots of walleyes! |
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Location: West Chester, OH | 6 degrees here this AM. You guys, who know real winter, would consider that a heat wave, but most people around here are behaving like it's a sign of the apocalypse. Fairly certain that there is a bread & milk buying panic @ the grocery.
I, too , have a diesel (of the 18 wheeled variety) sitting unplugged since Friday. She's gonna be real cranky @ 5AM tomorrow.... |
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| I too went icefishing yesterday. Not a bad day at all. Been out sitting on a bucket in stuff alot worse than this. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I love to Ice fish, but will not sit on a bucket ( or a portable, unless someone is crazy enough to go out there with me) in 15 below and 15 mph winds, I guess I'm a wuss. It was minus 21 at 9AM, I decided to leave the bluegills alone today. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | Someone go out and chip out my tipups for me please. Or they are staying there........ |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | I have no hot water.
However, I do have a frozen pipe in my laundry room where my hot water heater is.
So the good news is that I know why I have no hot water.
Bad news is that frozen pipe is also burst, with frozen water along the outside of it.
So, the bad news is that I am going to be staying in a hotel tonight so I can take a hot shower.
The good news now is that since I rent, I can just charge the landlord for the price of the fixing of the frozen and burst pipe, and I will try to charge him for the hotel room.
Moral to this story is that if you're going to live in a hundred year old house, with the plumbing running outside and/or in rooms with no heat, make sure you RENT that house. |
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| Hot water freezes faster than cold water....................weird, but it is a fact..... |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Smokin Joe - 2/4/2007 1:05 PM
Hot water freezes faster than cold water....................weird, but it is a fact.....
I don't see why that would be scientifically possible. The farther the water temp is from 32 degrees the longer it should take to slow the movement of the molecules to make the liquid a solid. Explain why, I'm interested.
Kevin
It's the cows. |
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Location: Eau Claire,WI | Muskyhopeful,here is the info...
http://itotd.com/articles/521/water-freezing-and-boiling-myths/
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Ever been to a hockey game? The zamboni is resurfacing with hot water. Because it melts the surface scratches/cracks on the rink and also freezes faster.
Edited by bobski 2/4/2007 2:39 PM
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Paul, I think you might have misinterpreted the info on that site. Under some conditions, hot water can freeze quicker. It didn't work, though, for that guy's experiments.
From your link.
"Hot water freezes faster than cold water. Most experts say that, all things being equal, cold water freezes faster. However, things are not always equal. A curious phenomenon known as the Mpemba effect can, under some very specific (and poorly understood) circumstances, result in hot water freezing faster than cold water. One of the several possible explanations for this effect involves evaporation: if you start with extremely hot water, a good bit of it will evaporate (and a smaller quantity of water will freeze faster than a larger quantity). And so, according to chemists, this one is not a myth, and this is presumably what my high school chemistry assignment was getting at."
The experiment:
"Freezing Water: I started with three identical glass containers, each holding 100ml (about 3.5 fl. oz.) of filtered water: one at room temperature (72°F/22°C), one at the same temperature as my hot water tap (115°F/46°C), and one boiling (212°F/100°C). I put all these into my freezer, which has an air temperature of 0°F (–18°C). Since I knew that the water would not turn from liquid to ice all at once, my arbitrary standard for frozenness was the time at which a wooden chopstick dropped into the center of the container would no longer touch the bottom. I checked each of the containers every 5 minutes. The results? The room-temperature water froze in 50 minutes. The hot water froze in 80 minutes. And the boiling water froze in 95 minutes. My verdict: no contest—not even remotely close. Given the conditions in my freezer and the water I used, I could not reproduce the Mpemba effect.
I also tried a container of previously boiled water, now at room temperature. It froze in 60 minutes—more time (not less) than the unboiled water had taken, but not by much."
Seems like the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Much like global warming.
Kevin
It's the cows. |
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | I think I'd prefer global warming over global cooling...... |
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| Hopeful,
I have been Plumbing for 20 years, every time someone calls about a frozen pipe, 90% of the time it is always the hot water side, I cant explain it I am a dumb plumber not a scientist........... |
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| That's because the cold water pipes are used to being cold, while the hot water pipes are used to being nice and warm, and are a bunch of wussies. They don't tolerate the cold as well, and freeze first.
Speaking of freezing plumbing, I went out this AM to shovel the little snow that drifted, and almost froze mine! |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Shep,
That's because you're plumbing is old. The pipes aren't what they used to be.
Mine either.
Kevin
Global warming, it's the cows. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Hopeful, which one froze SOLID first? Today would be a good day to experiment in the driveway.
Edited by bobski 2/4/2007 4:11 PM
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| You guys are making me laugh so hard, my plumbing just sprung a leak....LOL
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Location: Williamstown, WV | 6 degrees here and a pipe under my house froze...thawed it out...found a nice leak. spent sunday fixing a water leak in 6 degree temps. Now I finally have water and I spent 25 minutes in the shower and I'm still cold. Summer I miss you
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| 24 below...... 83 below with the wind chill at 11 yesterday (bemidji) |
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Location: The Sportsman, home, or out on the water | figures it would be so cold today. I had to work on Lori's Jeep and my step-daughter's car. BRRRRRRR!
Sometimes it sucks to be handy. |
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Location: Rhinelander. | Its 9:39 in Rhinelander and just went out to look see what temperature is> Saw its
-20 at the moment and still. Schools here announced they will be closed tomorrow. In 8 weeks the boat comes out of storage.......Think Spring guys!!!!!
Pfeiff |
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Location: The desert | What freezes faster water the is 212 degrees or water that is 32.1 degrees (farenhite for both)? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I would freeze faster than both. I proved that in minus 20 this evening trying to gather some wood for Darth's Outhouse. That thing is incredible. Heat is good. |
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | What cold?
This is just winter. Heck I spent 22 hours in the shack starting Friday night at 5pm till 3pm Saturday. A pile of eyes from the night and only a muskie to show for the day time fishing. Best part is the $110.00 I won for the 1st and 2nd place in the walleye division in the jamborie I was in.
Suck it up and fish. Monday we will fish Rocky Point, virgin water baby. WHAT COLD!!! |
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Location: Maribel WI | You use cold water more often in the house, thats why the "hot pipes" are the ones that usually freeze up.
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| I have worked in water treatment for over 10 years and some real theories are based on the very fact that hot water feezes faster than cold. If you start with the same volume of water, hot water will freeze faster if it is exposed to freezing temperatures (below 32F) if there is oportunity for evaporation. There will be less water volume to actually freeze.
Edited by Musky53 2/4/2007 11:02 PM
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Location: The Sportsman, home, or out on the water | Let some derned tree hugger tell me about "global warming" right now! I'd break his derned nose! |
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| wooho. and i was ready to whine. its only 4 below on st clair. its time to dig out my shorts. |
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| If you guys debating hot water freezing faster want to see something really cool, take a pan of boiling water outside and flip the water out of it up into the air. It will turn into freezing pelletts mid-air at these temps. A reporter in Duluth did it on the news last night. |
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| -28 this morning on way into work north of brainerd. Tough to ice fish in this! |
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Location: Stevens Point, Wi. | UNCLE !!! |
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Location: Minneapolis | How about the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change? Not a whacko, tree-hugging group, but a peer-reviewed, consensus report from over 600 scientists from more than 40 countries? http://www.ipcc.ch/ The consensus? Global warming is here and it's "very likely" (90% confidence) caused by human activity.
It's dang cold now, heck I raced 25 km on cross country skis yesterday with windchill down around -35F, and it would have been easy to break (shatter?) my nose it was so cold, but the climate is warming up. Period.
It's time we start taking climate change seriously. I, for one, would like to continue cross country skiing in Minnesota. I don't want to have to travel to the Yukon for a little snow. As fun as peacock bass are, I don't want to be fishing for them in Minneapolis!
Off the soap box now... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The obviously ridiculous thing here is that the weather being so cold causes a huge spike in fossil fuel consumption adding more carbon dioxide to the air contributing to global warming.
I am the walrus... |
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| Actually, Steve...
The part that is ridiculous that in an age of I pods and wireless internet technology we can come up with no better way to harness energy than by burning carbon based fuels...
Am I the only one to see the irony behind the fact that the very things which brought us out of the dark ages and allow us to thrive are the same things which will ultimately lead to our extinction? |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Cold cash.
Spent a good part of today searching everywhere for my wallet. Finally gave up and went to a couple of appointments. In my wallet was a couple hundred bucks, all my credit cards, and most of my fishing mentors' phone numbers as I am too stupid to figure out how to load them into my cell phone. I could not imagine where I could have lost it because I had it with me when I picked up a couple burgers for lunch yesterday and never got out of my car.
Came back from my appointments and while driving up the driveway saw my wallet under my wife's car hidden behind one of the wheels. I had looked under there but didn't see it. Must have fallen out of my coat pocket as I was wearing sweat pants when I went for burgers.
Gives a whole new meaning to the term cold cash.
Now I can call Joel, Mike, Troy, Slamr, etc. and beg them to take me fishing, and that warms my heart.
Kevin
Global warming. It's the cows. Eat more beef. |
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| LOL
How many of you guys read that post and instinctively checked to see if your wallet was still there?
Hopeful, if it was me and I found something of mine behind the tire of my wife's car, I'd be very careful about crawling under there to get it. Her car wasn't running at the time and she wasn't behind the wheel was she? |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Nah, she was inside tearing the house apart looking for it. We looked everywhere. In baskets of folded laundry, the frig, the freezer, dug the fast food bags out of the garbage, in boots on the floor of the utility room, everywhere. I even went to the neighbors and looked around in their driveway, TWICE, as I dropped my daughter off there to play yesterday afternoon.
When I came in the house and threw it on the utility room counter, she had been looking for almost two hours straight.
God bless her, she's sicker than a dog, too. I'm going to go to the store and buy her some chicken soup with the money in my wallet.
Kevin
Global warming. It's the cows. Eat more beef.
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| Chocolate bro
Buy her a box of chocolate
wait until she's eating the soup and then take the chocolate out and say "oh yeah, I got this for you for desert"
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| I put this in the wrong spot before.
Global warming is not all bad. There is always two sides to every story:
http://www.abd.org.uk/green_myths.htm
I supect there will never be a consensus on global warming. Fish as much as you can, enjoy the warm days, turn your furnace up on the cold days, and enjoy life. The plantet is a great thing to enjoy. There is nothing wrong with being conscientious about the environment, but don't fret about the things you can't control. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It's going to hit minus 20 here again tonight.no
bad for your
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Location: minocqua, wi. | small world .... got home from china and of course the diesel wouldn't start ... got a lift from some folks from minocqua, wi. that i met in tokyo ... he works for yamaha. |
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| dare I?
anyone remember the "global cooling" scare of the mid-70's?
George Will said (and I'm paraphrasing here) that the earth's temp has increased by 1 degree in the last century. How accurate is that? We have to stick a thermometer in an orifice to get our own temp, but they can say for certain that the earth's has gone up 1 degree?
"it's the cows".....I LOVE that one!
Lake Erie froze over in less than 48 hours this weekend. Ice as far as I can see. Easily the fastest I've ever seen it freeze up. Warming? Really? I vote we use some "rare" sense (it just ain't that common anymore, is it?) and reduce energy use, reduce non-natural chemicals we introduce into nature, quit fightin' and go fishin'!
I'm heading up to my warm 'nest'....the wife just headed up with some night time snacks....hope everyone else can be as warm and lucky as I am!
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| Smokin Joe - 2/4/2007 3:47 PM
Hopeful,
I have been Plumbing for 20 years, every time someone calls about a frozen pipe, 90% of the time it is always the hot water side, I cant explain it I am a dumb plumber not a scientist...........
Because you run the hot water less than the cold water imo. |
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| And the universally recognized flush uses what type of water???? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Wet? |
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| My flush uses warm water, I have a hot cold mixing valve so the tank doesn't "sweat" |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Many of the schools in our area were closed today. The ElmBrook school system that we're a part of stayed open. Now we hear tomorrow our district is closing. I don't recall schools closing because of cold when I was a kid.
When it got below zero we stuffed our jackets with towels and shredded newspaper, put socks on our hands, slid our sneaker shod feet into plastic bread bags before putting them in our galoshes, threw a dog on our head and a cat around our neck, and trotted off to school.
We'd play tackle pom pom at recess and go sledding at the end of the day. We had so much fun the frostbite induced gangrene didn't bother us. Nine and a half fingers and seven and a half toes is plenty.
Kevin
Global warming. It's the cows. Eat more beef. |
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Location: The desert | This is good ice fishing weather! Headed out tomorrow! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It's 24 below here at 8:30 AM. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 200 degree water in minus 20. Ice pellets when it hit the snow!
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | > COLD IS A RELATIVE THING. . . .
>60 above zero:
>Floridians turn on the heat.
>People in Wisconsin plant gardens.
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>50 above zero:
>Californians shiver uncontrollably.
>People in Madison sunbathe.
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>40 above zero:
>Italian & English cars won't start.
>People in Wisconsin drive with the windows down.
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>32 above zero:
>Distilled water freezes.
>The water in Superior gets thicker.
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>20 above zero:
>Floridians don coats, thermal underwear, gloves, wool hats. People in
>Wisconsin throw on a flannel shirt.
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>15 above zero:
>New York landlords finally turn up the heat.
>People in Wisconsin have the last cookout before it gets cold.
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>Zero:
>People in Miami all die.
>Wisconsin close the windows.
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>10 below zero:
>Californians fly away to Mexico.
>People in Wisconsin get out their winter coats.
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>25 below zero:
>Hollywood disintegrates.
>The Girl Scouts in Wisconsin are selling cookies door to door.
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>40 below zero:
>Washington DC runs out of hot air.
>People in Wisconsin let the dogs sleep indoors.
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>100 below zero:
>Santa Claus abandons the North Pole.
>Wisconsinites get upset because they can't start the Mini-Van.
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>460 (-459.67 F below zero):
>ALL atomic motion stops (absolute zero, zero on the Kelvin scale.)
>People in Wisconsin start saying..."Cold 'nuff fer ya?"
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>500 below zero:
>Hell freezes over.
>Wisconsin public schools will open 2 hours late. |
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| I actually brought a hat to work today, first time this year.
Still not sure I'm going to actually wear it, though.
If it gets any colder I'm going to have to dress like I would for a day fishing in November!
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| Actually 460 Below is Cold, Everything else has a level of heat in it. But I sure couldn't tell when I let the dog out this morning. |
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Location: West Chester, OH | About 20 years ago, the wife & I took a winter trip to Eagle River. The morning we were to leave, temperature close to zero, our "southern" car, a pre-fuel injection Olds, wouldn't fire. I had the hood up in the motel parking lot & was giving it a good snort of ether, when a motel employee, wearing a short sleeved shirt, strolls out toward the dumpster carrying trash bags. He laughs as he sees what I'm doing & asks "What would you do if it really got cold?" |
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