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Location: Munster, IN | saw this on MH:
On a day when you would think that anyone crazy enough to go fishing would deserve a big fish, Tom Gelb boated the largest musky of his life.
Gelb, of Conover, WI, and a Musky Hunter Field Editor, launched his row-trolling boat in air temperatures that had sunk into the single digits on Thursday, November 30, the final day of Wisconsin's 2006 musky fishing season.
When he returned, Gelb had boated the largest Wisconsin musky reported since 1989.
"Everybody says they want to catch a 50-pounder, and I caught one!" Gelb laughed while standing at Eagle Sports Center in Eagle River, WI, while his giant musky hung from a nearby scale. Gelb's fish weighed 51 3/4 pounds, measured 53 inches in length, and carried a 28 1/2-inch girth.
The last Wisconsin 50-pounder was caught by Robert Grutt from Big Round Lake in 1989. The last time a 50-pounder was caught from Vilas County waters was in 1975, when Gene Allen caught a 51-pounder from the Flambeau Chain of Lakes.
Gelb's fish was rapidly freezing in the 14-degree air as he recounted how he caught the big musky.
"I had just a devil of a time getting it into the net. I knew it was a 35- or 40-pounder, but when I finally got it netted and saw its side, I knew I had something special," Gelb said. "I couldn't lift it into the boat, so I rowed to shore. In the boat, I measured a 30-inch girth but it was sliding around so much. I couldn't believe it."
Gelb's musky struck a straight model, Harley Davidson blue DepthRaider.
Who said there are no BIG fish in WI? |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Congratulations Tom, I could happen to a more deserving guy!
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Congratulations, Tom. One heck of a fish! |
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Location: The desert | A 50lb'er is a true trophy! They guy has every right to keep it if he wants. Gerard put it best I believe. So I will say my congrats and let it be! Way to go on a frigid day!! Wish I could have gotten out but "the bottle" is calling a few of us tonight after a WICKED test we took! Shots all around for F's all around! Ugh...I digress! Nice fish...hope to see a pic!
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Congratulations to the angler. Can't wait to see a picture. Last day of the year in freezing temps. Now that's a story!
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It's Showtime, almost.
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Location: Cave Run Lake KY. | Tom Gelb was helping Muskies,Ink. Back in 1982 when I first joined #35- Milw. He was a Vice President at Harley-Davidson Milwaukee, and his time was limited but he went out of his way to help make the club into a great Chapter. To make fun and ridicule someone you don't know only goes to show you what you don't know. Tom Gelb was a great sportsman 25 years ago as he still is today. Congratulations Tom. ----- Marv. |
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Location: minneapolis | Very cool story..if I caught that fish, I may have released it and told a select few, or I may have killed it and told a select few..I may never know, either way.. "Judge not , lest you be judged".....maybe next year
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| congrats to the angler. im sure he has put into muskies more then hes taken. its a legal personal choice. |
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| That is an awesome fish and I can't fault him for keeping it great job and awesome fish I can't wait to see the pictures. |
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these pictures are the best so far. all are Polaroids which are not the best in cold weather... digitals should be available tomorrow
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| holy monster batman. |
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Location: The Yahara Chain | Awesome fish, congrats to Tom. |
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| great fish caught by a great fisherman. it took true dedication to be out there today...
congratulations!
to my way of thinking:
it's OK to politely say, "I wish he'd released it."
it's wrong when anyone suggests he's a bad person because he didn't.
they're very different things.
i wish he'd released it.
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Location: oswego, il | If you ever get a chance to see Tom Gelb speak, I highly suggest it. he is good. I Have heard some crazy stories about him and fishing as far as what he went through to fish where he wanted. A beast of a fish. |
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| #*^@ that fish is huge!! i like the pic of it laying on the ground to see how fat it really was!! |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Whoa. That girl was hitting the right cisco buffet. And I thought I was fat.
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| Once again, congratulations Tom on one hell of a catch. I can't think of a better person more deserving to catch a fish like this than you.
After skinning out the fish, there was absolutely nothing in the belly at all! State certified scale weighed the fish out at 51.2 pounds!
I'm attempting to attach some photos taken today at the studio when the fish was brought in. So this is what a 28" girth really looks like! WOW!! A picture is worth a thousand words, or in this case, even more!!
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Location: Greenfield, WI | Congratulations Tom on a tremendous fish caught by an equally tremendous guy! I couldn't wish this fish on a classier guy! Way to go. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Congrats Mr. Gelb. Awesome fish and on a day like today you definitely earned it. I'll bet it made the day feel a lot warmer.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Thanks for the pictures, Rick! |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | That is one hell of a fish! Congrats! |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Holy cow! That thing is just huge in every sense of the word! Battling the elements paid off.
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| No big fish in WI, HA HA! Congratulations Tom, a truly great accomplishment and so very cool to see row trolling pay off in such a big way on the last day of the WI season 
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Location: Ogden, Ut | Fantastic fish; that thing's an absolute pig. Congrats Tom.
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Location: Ontario, California | uhhhhhhhhh.....................
Yeah that about says it all.
Congratulations! |
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| WOW!!..................................maybe I do have to get out of Illinois |
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Location: Home of the 2016 World Series Champion Cubs | Congrats Tom. Thats right no big fish in Wi. I can guess what a lot of the chatter at the upcoming shows will be about.........................where does one get a harley davidson blue staright model depth raider? Just kidding. the latest 50#er coaught in wi. of course. Again, nice job.
Karl
Here's something to think about...The weight calculator figures the fish to go 51.94 pounds. Pretty darn close I'd say. BUT, according to Rick Lax, the fish had a completely empty belly. HMMMMMMMM
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| Good for the resolve and faith of us all to see a fish like this absolutely verified, and a fisherman rewarded for his own faith and resolve.
It can always be the next cast.
Congratulations on what has to be considered a "LIFE FISH"!! |
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| That's a big fish. Small bait too, DRaider's what, eight inches? I find that as interesting as anything. There's water that puts out fish of that caliber every season, one in 2006, one in '89 and one in the '70's puts the 'no big fish in this state' idea into perspective. WI might have some big ones, but three over a three decade span certainly isn't something that sets it apart from anywhere else. Bucher's Crankbait Secrets book is a great resource, and there are lots of pics of Gelb with other great fish. Most of them are the same, real late fall, real big and caught trolling. |
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| I have never met anyone as hardcore as Tom. He deserves every ounce of slime!!! What an accomplishment! Congrats are in order!!
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Very sweet! Congrat's Tom! What a PIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With the wind it was freakin' cold fishing down here on the WI River. I imagine rowing helps to keep you warmer. But I'll bet all thoughts of cold very quickly vanished from Tom's brain when he tied into that beastie.
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Location: Florence, Wisconsin | OUTSTANDING! The fish I was looking for all fall. Probably be looking for it all my life. Congrats.
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | neat
Congrats Tom.
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Location: Presque Isle Wisconsin | Congrats to outstanding Muskie fisherman on an outstanding catch!! |
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| thats why we crazy SOB's fish in crap weather, freeze our butts off, and endure some nasty stuff till the bitter end. Thats what dreams are made of!!!!! It sucks he was by himself and couldnt have taken pics and released, but, I don't think many guys can say they released a 50lber, so they really can't say he was wrong for thumpin this one.
congratulations on catching a bruiser! I think a guy can die happy catching a fish like that. |
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| that is one big fish! I can't fault him for keeping it as that is his choice for sure. (though I wish it was still swimming) He has done alot for the musky world over his lifetime. |
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Location: St. Louis, MO | My buddy and I were fishing this past June. He was throwing a jackpot when the largest fish we've seen comes out the water and missed the lure. The splash was like from an old war movie when they trow the depth charges! We were fishing about 100 yards from Tom's place over the soon to be famous weed beds that are found on this section of the lake..
Way to go Tom - I wonder if it was the same fish.... |
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| Hell of a fish. Congrats on your catch. What a beaut! |
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| For all of the 100's and 100's of musky that you have caught, and released, you deserve this one. A true once in a lifetime opportunity, and fish. There is no one more knowledgable or experienced out there. NO ONE. I vote we change the bait name to the GELBTAIL. Thanks for being there when I caught my first (little) musky, and for convincing me to let her go.
1st vote for the GELBTAIL Lure. |
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Location: Madison Wi. Chain | The image of that behemouth will stay with me until opening day and get me through the winter months. Could of easily added another pound or two if had anything in it gut. WOW. BG |
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| Great fish, Tom!
Rick, did you get a mold of that behemouth? How about the age? Any idea? I would say that is a relatively young fish, as it has a rather samll head compared to it's huge body! Bet she left a lot of young'uns in the lake, carrying those genes!
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| Congratulations Tom!! You have renewed the dream of all muskie fishermen with that catch.
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| Kick arse dude! Congrats on a very, very nice fish! Huge.... |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Any idea where it came from?
Thing looks like it ate 4 bowling balls. |
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| That's the fish of a lifetime right there!!
Congratulations!!
I just have one question:
If that's an empty belly, what would it have looked like after a meal?!
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| I'm glad he kept it. The verifiable information gathered as a result is well worth it. Great fish! Congrats! |
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| conrats on your big fish especially in weather like this |
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| Congrats for SURE!!!
I'm glad he kept it also, a lot can be learned from this fish.
What a beast!!!
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Location: north central wisconsin | WOW!!!!!! That dude has been on the late season slobs for many years now. He finally cracked the fish of his dreams, after quite possibly releasing it a time or two in prior years. Sure glad he caught it, as I just don't need that type of taxidermy bill during the holidays.... and you would have heard the thump all the way to MN. We hit the river one last time ourselves from sun up to sun down hoping for the dream fish, but came up short. Braving the elements were not fun yesterday and a big heater in the boat didn't help much. I am even more proud of Tom, knowing the conditions he dealt with to stick that pig yesterday. Way to go on the first true 50lber in WI in decades(wasn't the fish from High Falls flowage in Marinette Co the last one?). |
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Location: 31 | Rowing up a 50lber the last day of the WI season in the bitter cold on a H. D. lure... Wow! Tom, you just leapfrogged up near the top of my personal list of muskie heroes (you were already on the list BTW).
For your efforts I wrote a short poem to help you commemorate this historic event: "$hit it's cold". I don't know why I thought you'd like that... I just thought you would:)
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Location: Prior Lake, Minnesota | How do you row troll a depth raider? Im from MN and we are allowed to troll - Im just not familiar with the term.
I cant imagine you would get it to dive very deep by oaring. - or do you use this in current.
-Any info would help my pea brain understand
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | neids33 - 12/1/2006 11:59 AM
How do you row troll a depth raider? Im from MN and we are allowed to troll - Im just not familiar with the term.
I cant imagine you would get it to dive very deep by oaring. - or do you use this in current.
-Any info would help my pea brain understand
-thanx
I'm no expert, but if it were me on deep water like North Twin, I'd use a weighted countdown, let it sink then start rowing.
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| Imagine what that thing would weigh if it had just eaten a 30" walleye or pike.
Monster says it all.
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Location: Yahara River Chain | If you have a rowing boat (made to row & looking more like a canoe than a v-hull) you can get going pretty fast. You say you can troll in MN, at what speed do you? That boat he has can do that easily (3 to 5 mph). As far as getting that H-D DR deep? I don't thing Tom said he caught it deep. Besides he could have been using wire line which will get you twice as deep as the braided line. Who knows. You'll have to weight for the information to come all out. |
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| Any idea where it came from?
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Location: minneapolis | Wow !
What a great fish and even more impressive is the fact he successfully managed the net job on that monster by himself !
With the increase in "superfish" being caught I think we are sometimes easily lulled into forgetting how RARE A TRUE 50 POUND FISH IS to be seen - MUCH LESS CAUGHT !
Congratulations ! |
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Location: Miller time Wisconsin. | Congrats to Tom. Glad to hear someone who's paid their dues got a 50#er |
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| Something with a belly that big should have Type II diabetes |
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| Congrats Tom. Glad to see all the time and effort finally paid off. A true fish of a lifetime. Welcome to the 50 lb club.... |
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| Congratulations Tom, that thing is HUGE......A fish of a lifetime for sure..... glad to see your having LAX REPRODUCTIONS do the mount, I have seen their work at the musky shows and it is the BEST..... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Lax did my Goon fish, and it's stellar work. He absolutely NAILED the color and markings. Beautiful mount! |
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Location: Oregon | MuskyFlyGuy - 12/1/2006 4:17 PM
Something with a belly that big should have Type II diabetes
That's funny right there!!
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Location: Apollo, PA | Congrats to a great fisherman and musky educator. Your tactics Tom have helped me alot.
Thanks for sharing and Great Job!!! |
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Location: Rhinelander. | I tip my hat to you Mr. Gelb> That is a beautiful fish and will look great on your wall as you reflect on the many days you spent in pursuit of such a fish. Congradulations!!!!!!!!
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Location: Monee, Illinois | All I have to say is wow! |
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| What a beautiful fish, and what a die-hard angler. It's like I used to say when I was a hard-core duck hunter..."It's not the guys who are there on opening day who are the real duck hunters, it's the guys who are out there on the last day."
I remember watching 2 guys who were hard-core row trollers on a Vilas County lake where my dad had his place. They had boats with seats that moved, pointed on both ends, a rudder system and rod holders in different positions. They had hand-made 9 foot rods that were almost like Dipsy rods that we used on Lake Michingan. This was in the 70's, and I watched them rig up big spoons with in-line keel sinkers and big Rapalas and other minnow type lures. Sometimes they would troll Bobbie Baits or Radke Pikies, and they often waved me down to show me walleyes that were 8 to over 10 pounds that they netted before they would release them. Fishing in 70-100 feet of water with long lines and lures that weren't made to catch muskies, but they did. We even gave them a box full of J-Plugs and Grizzlies to try for a season, but they never caught anything on them but trout.
Looking at the pictures of the fish and the fisherman who caught her, I just can't help sliding back in time, watching the 2 guys that always fished side by side, down the lake for 3 hours and then turning around and heading for the boatlanding. I always wondered what it would be like to fish like that, and since the Dr told me that I need more excercise..........don't even think about it. Maybe when my daughter starts dating, I'll ask her suitors to go fishing for a weekend and we'll see what kind of stamina they have.
Yup, those boats were a work of art and laid out to perfection, and the guys who rowed them while I drifted or used the electric motor, were a different breed. And I mean that with the outmost respect.
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| I couldn't think of anyone else, who more deserves this fish.Row trolling in single digit weather is hard core.Congrats Tom,you are one heckuva Musky fisherman,even before this brute. |
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Location: Pigeon Forge TN. | Thanks for the emai lwith the picture Tom, again, all I can say is that it couldn't have happened to a better person.
Congrats again Tom.
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Location: WESTERN WI | Congrats on the fish!!! Beauty, since I first saw this thread yesterday, I had a crazy dream where I was row-trolling. I have never considered this before but my subconcious is telling me it may be time to invest in a row troller.
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Location: Iowa | What a freaking giant...congrats to you...
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| well just want to say congratulions to tom on his northern wisconsin monster. that is a swasome fish one which we all would love to catch. i was at the lax shop that day and to see all his great work in there. i also got to witness one of the most amazing things i will ever see... that was an awasome fish tom caught in person it was even bigger then the picture shows. congrats to tom again on a fine fish and also to rick for the one blessed to mount it. just need to add tom dont worry he will do a geat job like he all ways does.... |
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| Great fish...Tom !! Have caught a few muskies over the last 50 some years in my home town of Eagle River...but nothing close to that monster. Something about "row trolling" even makes it extra special too . Last 50# musky that I heard of.....was in Lac Du Flambeau...bclieve around 1960 or so ?? Guy named Allen?? "Remember..if you're too busy to go fishing....you're just too #*^@ busy !!" Marv "Bwana" Elliott Cape Coral, Florida |
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| Grats on the 50 lber what a nice way to end the season and a great start at a new one and Hello marv. this is jerrys son you used to Goose hunt by use cousin... |
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| Tom,
You are my hero. A friend sent me a copy of Bob Riepenhoff's article on you and your fish to me in Chicago. We come up in October. Maybe we should pack more cold weather gear. What a great fish and story!!!! |
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Location: Duluth, MN | beachpig - 3/5/2010 1:15 PM
Great fish!!!
2 1/2 years later!!
But that is a great fish!! |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | 2-1/2? Try more like 4-1/2... Look at the date of the original post...
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Location: Brookfield, WI | VMS - 3/5/2010 3:53 PM
2-1/2? Try more like 4-1/2... Look at the date of the original post...
Time moves quickly on the Musky Interweb.
Kevin
Golf show tonight. I don't need anything. |
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| Tom has backed that catch up twice since the orginal fiddy pounder in the fall not to mention the June and July hogs he's been boating.
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Wow what a hog.. I think ive read articles and seen pics of his row trolling |
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| ive heard the fish was caught on north twin anyone know if thers any truth to that?? |
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| Tom Gelb's fish is extra special for it has a LARGER girth than the IGFA world record muskie.
From John Dettloff's rebuttal to the WRMA Johnson Summary Report:
"In a section where the report compares the side width of the Johnson musky to the side width of the Gelb musky (a 53" long fish), they not only reduced the Johnson's musky's length (and correspondingly its side width) down to the same scale as the Gelb fish for comparison purposes...but they also incorrectly indicated the boundaries of the side width of the johnson fish on the photo. Such a comparison gives the false impression that the Johnson musky's side width was less than the side width of Gelb's fish. However, once you enlarge the Johnson fish to the proper scale of 60 1/4" and once you realize that the shadowed area alongside the right edge of the Johnson musky in the photo is actually additional side width that the WRMA missed, it becomes evident that Johnson's fish does not have a smaller side width than the Gelb fish. This extra side width that was missed by the report gives the Johnson fish conservatively an additional 1/2 to 3/4" of side width and, consequently, more girth."
First off, when comparing the photo of Johnson's fish to Gelb's, the WRMA was NOT comparing the actual side width of one fish to the other. They were comparing the side width to length RATIO'S of the two fish. Gelb's fish has a side width that is 19.15% of it's total length compared to Johnson's at only 16.52%.
Also, the side width measurement INCLUDED the shadowed area John Dettloff was referring to on the Johnson fish.
The ONLY way to properly compare the side width to length ratios is to show the fish at the same length or scale. When both fish are shown at 53" this results in Johnson's fish having a side width of 8.7556" compared to Gelb's at 10.495". This is what was shown in the Johnson Summary Report. (8.7556" = 16.52% of 53") (10.1495 = 19.15% of 53"). Here there is a difference of 1.39" in side width.
If you enlarge Johnson's fish to a 60.25" scale and compare it to Gelb's at 53" the side width of Johnson's fish becomes 9.9533" compared to Gelb's at 10.1495". (9.9533" = 16.52% of 60.25") (10.1495" = 19.15% of 53"). Now the difference is only .1962" but the side width of Gelb's fish is still wider than Johnson's meaning it still has a larger girth.
If you INCORRECTLY add .75" like John Dettloff says to the side width of Johnson's fish the side width becomes 10.7033" which only .5538" wider than Gelb's.
Gelb's fish has a 28.5" girth. How much more girth would .5538 of additional side width represent? The side width on Gelb's fish of 10.1495" represents 35.61% of it's girth of 28.5".
The side width of Johnson's fish with John Dettloff's .75" adjustment is 10.7033". 10.7033" is 35.61% of 30.06". This is STILL 3.44" short of the claimed girth of 33.5".
Johnson's muskie at 30.06" x 60.25" = a girth that is 49.89% of the total length. The fish is claimed to have a girth that is 55.60% of the total length.
So you can see that even with John Dettloff's side width claim the girth is still far short of 33.5".
I hope this shows everyone how extra special Tom's fish truly is.
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Location: Duluth, MN | Umm can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said about the things.... |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Lundbob,
That was very funny, Thanks for the chuckle .
Great Fish of a lifetime.
Jerome
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Location: Eagle River, WI | Lundbob - 3/7/2010 9:32 AM
Umm can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said about the things....
Nice simpsons reference. |
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| You don't need that fancy math to tell there's no way Cal's fish was even remotely close to Gelb's fish in any direction.
Tom Gelb SHOULD have the WI state record, not Cal or Louie! |
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| I realize that MOST people know that Gelb's fish is clearly the larger of the two but there are still some that feel this isn't the case because of John Dettloff's ridiculous rebuttal.
John Dettloff's rebuttal of the IGFA Summary Report was never properly addressed in any of the other threads. This rebuttal was nothing more than a bunch of lies and this needed to be exposed.
If people would just take the time to carefully measure the side width and length of the images shown in the Johnson Summary Report they would realize how badly John Dettloff is misleading people.
IF the length of Johnson's fish was 60.25" (proven untrue by professional photogrammetry), the side width (depth top to bottom) would be just under 10" (9.9533") while Gelb's is just over 10" (10.1495"). The girth of Johnson's fish is supposedly 33.5" while Gelb's is only 28.5", a difference of 5" with Gelb's fish having the greater side width (depth top to bottom)! Anyone with any common sense can clearly see this is impossible.
When both fish are scaled at 53" Johnson's fish has a side width of 8.7556" (8.7556" = 16.52% of 53"). (Professional photogrammetry found 53" to be the maximum possible length of this fish when measured from the upper jaw).
Gelb's fish has a side width of 10.1495" (10.1495" = 19.15% of 53").
Gelb's fish has a 28.5" girth.
The side width (depth) of 10.1495" on Gelb's fish represents 35.61% of it's girth of 28.5".
The 8.7556" side width (depth) on Johnson's fish would represent a girth of 24.59" (8.7556" / 35.61% = 24.59").
The bottom line:
Tom Gelb...28.5" x 53"
Cal Johnson...24.59" x 53"
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| I think it's an insulting slap in Tom Gelb's face (or any musky fisherman for that matter) for Dettloff to say that Johnson's musky is even in the same league, let alone bigger. There is just no way it's possible! |
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Location: Almond, WI | North Twin is quite possible; I know he fishes that area a lot and registered a couple 50"+ fish with Muskies Inc out of there this last season. North Twin produced a 53lbs 12oz. fish in 1953 and a bunch of mid to high 40lbers over the years, so it's a possibility. The same year Gelb got this particular 50lber, a 54lb 10oz fish was caught out of Green Bay. No disrespect to Gelb (I'd be as happy as anyone if they gave him the record), but there are other contenders out there for the legitimate state record, like the two just mentioned. |
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| Hey Guest-
Doesn't Gelb say in the opening post that the fish has a 30" girth. I didn't read every word of every post here, so maybe that was the dead girth and the reported weight was the dead weight?
Where'd I miss the 1.5"?
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Location: big cove tannery pa | Congrats That is a monster of a fish. |
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| tyler k - 3/9/2010 7:21 PM
North Twin is quite possible; I know he fishes that area a lot and registered a couple 50"+ fish with Muskies Inc out of there this last season. North Twin produced a 53lbs 12oz. fish in 1953 and a bunch of mid to high 40lbers over the years, so it's a possibility. The same year Gelb got this particular 50lber, a 54lb 10oz fish was caught out of Green Bay. No disrespect to Gelb (I'd be as happy as anyone if they gave him the record), but there are other contenders out there for the legitimate state record, like the two just mentioned.
What are the specifics of the 54lb 10oz fish out of Green Bay? Who was the angler?
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| The same guy that killed like 10 that year. |
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