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| How about sharing photos of your favorite hand poured creatures. Attached are my four favorites.
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Location: Rhinelander. | Nice looking,I'd throw them> I see you like old fan dango tails on some of them. Use to use alot of them.
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| Don, the top two in the photo are my workhorses for most of the year. The one on top is a full round bait made from a two piece mold. It's a replica of the old 7 1/2 inch Fliptail Creature. The second one down is from a flat bottom mold. The master is the body (slightly modified) from a Moore/Worrall creature with the Fliptail tail. The third one is also a one piece flat bottom mold. The master for that is a Moore/Worrall body with a Kailin Magambo tail. The bottom one is a Scampi body, a large twister tail, and glide wings made from something else that escapes me that I cut up.
I was hoping to get some others to join in and share some of their best Frankenstein creature creations!
I tend to make everything black, black with black flake, or black with red flake. Has anyone had success with other colors of creatures?
How about blades as tails like Gene Curtis uses? I never did well on them. How about any of you?
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Location: Racine, Wi | What are you making your molds out of and how long do they last? That would be a pretty cool topic to hear about the mold making/plastic pouring process to get those dudes to take shape. |
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| They are made from plaster of paris (POP), then coated with thinned epoxy. I don't know how long they last. I still haven't even had to re-epoxy coat one yet. As far as I know they last till you accidently drop one. Then it becomes sidewalk chalk for the kids. The detail you can pick up with POP is incredible.
The flat bottom pour molds (one piece molds) are a piece of cake to make. Two part molds are a little tricky, but still not bad.
When I get a good master that I like (like the second one down in the photo) I keep making molds from it. I think I have six of that one. Then when your plastic is ready you can pour multiples. A bait that thick takes about 4-5 minutes to cool before you can strip it out and pour again. It gets tedious if you only have one mold. I stash away the masters for future molds.
I was forced to learn this a few years ago when I found out that Fliptail was out of business. |
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| Just to get you guys thinking......
I don't use many bulldawgs. But if I did.......
That would be an easy pour!!!
Look at the tail on your bulldawgs. Thats not a curly tail when it's poured. It's a solid round tail that they cut a circle out of the middle (easily done with a sharpened piece of copper pipe or x-acto knife) that is clipped free at the end. That makes things very easy to pour without injection equipment. It would be a two piece mold that would pour like a one piece from the bottom. |
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Location: Racine, Wi | LOL, as I was reading your other post, I was thinking the exact same thing. You could at least make the tails for those dudes. Thanks for the info. I may have to figure this out for a nice winter time project outside of tying bucktails. |
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| I've played a little with molding my own plastics. Mostly just copying others, never made my own original mold.
It's very easy. I just have too much on the plate now to play with that too.
Lots of info on the interlink Joel. Check out tackleunderground.com |
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Location: Racine, Wi | Thanks Luke. I'll see what I can find.
By the way, I have some pics for you as soon as I find some time to put them on the puter and send to ya.
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| plaster of paris works great for a simple mold. cheap and easy to use.
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| My dad has all of the original Fliptail molds. Just not enough funds to bring them back. Maybe one of these days they will make a return....
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Location: Eden Prairie & Pine Island | Great information guys! What do you use to make them out of, plastisol? |
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| Fliptailman, I was told that a guy named Jerry Dean (Honey Hole Mag.) had the molds for the Creatures. Is that your father? I'd sure like to get a couple hundred black ones!!! |
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| GMan, yes I like Calhoun plastics. All you need is a microwave and a pyrex measuring cup. Oh, and a place to pour where you won't stink up the whole house!! |
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Location: Minnesota | Any public data on that "Formula X"? I would like to make a few test models with that stuff. I am assuming it is a "secret" formula... Would not be too hard to figure out just easier to ask  |
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Location: Champaign, Illinois | I am a basement lure builder.....just addmitting to the sickness. In the late 90's I started making soft plastic baits for sale. with a little work and alot of imagination it can be fun and rewarding, as in catching fish. Here are some pics. of a mold and the finish product. The mold is fairly simple to make and low cost. |
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Location: Champaign, Illinois | plan b |
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Location: Champaign, Illinois | pics. must be to big, i'll go to plan c. Or i can mail them.
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Location: Janesville | I make my own rubber bait s for musky fishing and fished 3 wmt tourny last year and caught fish in them all with my rubberbaits and also caught my Biggest last year on it to and it was 50.25 inchs long. I can make any color I want. I will post picture when i can figure out how to post it. Here are some that were caught on the lure. The top one is 50.25 inchs and caught on leech lake and theother was caught in wisconsin and is 48.5"
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Location: Appleton,WI | www.chemionics.com
I think this is formula X. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The Fliptail Creature was one of my designs, too. I used a Fliptail Flirt and a Fliptail Lizard combined to get the Creature, making the Lizard a bit larger and the Flirt shorter. I was working with Stembridge Products at the time, and had them build three sizes. Two made it to market.
Yellow is a great color. So is Orange/Chameleon.
Dick Moore bought my lure company after all the design work was completed. Jim Cairnes and I did the Super Creature, the lure you call a Moore/Worrall. I had three sizes of that lure built, as well. |
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Location: Janesville | try agian to down load a pic. How do i get the pic smaller to down load.
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Location: Champaign, Illinois | here are the pics. of my molds and lures.
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Location: Champaign, Illinois | and the mold
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Location: Minnesota | Ike,
Love it! Just my opinion but, if you just extend those two tails out about 3x furhter with a slight twist/curl that bait would sell!!! How does she run with the bill? I just got one of the new ones with fromulax in them from Dunwright(?). A little pike with a bill. Can't wait to see that one get destroyed! To keep from going broke I think you need to make your own soft/swim baits. Not sure how much in BullDawgs I have went through... Ike, is that a wax mold?
James
PS-Thanks for the link www.chemionics.com MuskieE! |
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Location: Pewaukee WI | crasher,
i'd like some if available. look good.
Pm Me
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| Wow Steve,.. you developed a great lure in the Creature. No my dad is not Jerry Dean. Jerry was one of my dad's many partners. The money ran out and the revival of Fliptail didn't work out. My dad has all of the old molds, but I think he and Jerry did have a few new ones made that Jerry may still have. I just recently bought some old fliptail stuff off of eBay. It included a 1971 catalog, 1974-75 catalog, some 7 1/4 purple worms from 1965, and a handful of Fliptail Yo-Yo worms in black. It was a great find in that these are the old purple color that was a huge seller back in the day. I'm hoping one of these days we can get Fliptail back out for those diehard Fliptail fans. Great talking to you... Fliptailman |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I think we talked a while back about the Fliptail molds, etc. I was working through Mary Stembridge back then, and don't remember anyone else's name unfortunately. Thirty years is a long time.
I bet I know some people who would revive the Fliptail Creature. |
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| Fliptail going out of business and not being able to get the 7.5" Creature is what got me into the whole soft-plastic hobby. They are the life-blood of my Musky fishing. So, I'd be in for a few hundred.
I'd like to get my hands on one of the old 4.5" ones too. I'd make a mold for that one too. I used up my last one many years ago, not knowing they were no longer available. That was a GREAT walleye bait. Steve, you must remember that little one. Smallies loved that thing too.
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| I can get a hold of some 4 1/2 inch fliptail lizards. |
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| ike do you injekt that mould or do you just pour the plastersole? |
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Location: London, England | Don't know if they still make them, but Bucher used to do a lizard (dragon lizard?) which was made of formula X type plastic. It was really tough, but melted if it came in contact with plastisol baits. Only about 5-6" long, but I caught a few fish on them and they were very buoyant. |
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| Remember the old JW Ding -A-Lizard? Liked the paddle tail on that one a lot, then started buying some local guy's baits from Goerke's Corner. LOL. Many moons ago. Steve |
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| Yes, I sure do remember the Ding-A-Lizard. I still have a few that I use to make molds. It's an easy pour. No curly tails!
Tim Kelly, I think that Dragon Lizard was an Odyssey product. I haven't seen them for a while. |
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Location: London, England | You're right Partycrasher. Rings a bell now you say it. |
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| Partycrasher, Moore's Lures still sells the 7 1/2 inch Fliptail lizards if you're interested. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | HAHAHAHA! Some local guy??? |
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Location: SE, WI. | Page 23 of buy sell trade, has some of my patterns for creatures. Have about $400 of molds of about 40 different varieties of patterns. All my favorite plastics patterns are now easy to make. That is something I do in the cool spring months or fall periods. I pour mostly in the garage. Smells up the house tooooo much. Fandango's were so hard to come by so I made my own molds and won several bass tourney on hand poured plastics. Skies the limit with patterns and fun catching fish on your home made baits. Hardener is key when pouring certain plastic like paddle tails. Experimenting and dicovering new patterns and properties in plastic pouring is the key to pouring succesfull plastics. Like adding bronsing powder!!! Been doing this for close to 21 years. You can also make your custom jigs with plaster paris!!! Someday I will post all my patterns....It will BLOW YOU AWAY!!! JIM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Creatures are easy to build. I made my original molds out of pouring plastic, taking the lead master and using it as a 'blank' adhered to the bottom of as glass bread baking dish coated with mold release. Pour the plastic over the master, let it kick, and pop it loose. Now you have a mold to pour your lures, thousands of pours no problem. We used steel molds for our jigs untl we got Paul Repka from Rockford, long gone now, to build them for us. My father designed the very first stand up jig making plaster of paris molds, and brought the Harold Ensely reaper north for use by his friends Jim Cairnes, Larry Latino, and Tony Portincaso.
I started building custom plastics in the 70's, and used to be known as the 'creature man'. I helped Mary Stembridge build and sell the Fliptail Creature and Jim Cairnes and I designed and built the Super Creature that Moores still sells to this day and jdsplasher has improved upon several times. I still remember guiding that young man and his wife for the first time... oh....a few years back...
Here's an image of the original packaging.
Lots of history here.
There are 2 50" plus mounts on the wall at Lakeview on Pelican I caught on the designs in the laaaaate 70's when I was guiding near full time..
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Location: SE, WI. | Steve; See what you created!!!;) ;) |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | jd makes some of the best basement creatures out there, I especially like the little cork floats in the tails on some he sent me! |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | What is everyne else using for coating/sealing your POP molds? I read somewhere to coat it with Mod Podge, but that didn't work too well for me. The first bulldawg replacement tail I poured last week made the Mod Podge extremely sticky. It didn't hold up too well to heat I guess. I am working on getting the Mod Podge off now, and need to reseal my mold.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Make a new mold out of resin, no problems with that stuff at all. |
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| Cisco Kid, Devcon 2-Ton Epoxy (Wal-Mart) thinned a little with acetone. The first coat will soak right in. The second and third coat will get you a nice shiney galzed looking mold. |
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| sworrall - 3/2/2007 10:09 PM
The Fliptail Creature was one of my designs, too. I used a Fliptail Flirt and a Fliptail Lizard combined to get the Creature, making the Lizard a bit larger and the Flirt shorter. I was working with Stembridge Products at the time, and had them build three sizes. Two made it to market.
Yellow is a great color. So is Orange/Chameleon.
Dick Moore bought my lure company after all the design work was completed. Jim Cairnes and I did the Super Creature, the lure you call a Moore/Worrall. I had three sizes of that lure built, as well. |
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