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| I recently saw someone catch a musky, net it and then drag it half way across
a few hundred acre lake while still in the net. Then he took it to a dock to get it photographed because he was by himself.
Just want to know if this can hurt the fish?
Would this be considered good catch and release?
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Location: Lockport, IL | I can't imagine that this is a good practice. The faster the fish is released under any circumstance the better. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | If the fish was in the water the entire time while in the net other than the CPR photos, then the answer is yes, the fish should be fine. Better to let her go right away? Sure. Remember, we can speak to good release practices, and educate those who need it carefully and reasonably, but do NOT need to dictate or appear elitist. Main point is the fish was kept in the water, the angler cared enough to make sure of that, so an effort was made. Better to learn camera techinques for CPR while alone of course; there are many threads covering that subject onsite. |
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Location: lansing, il | id have to say depends on how the fish was laying in the net?? was it backwards so water was flowing back into its gills or small enough so it was swimming freely in the net as the boat was moving, or was it curled in the net with the net pressing against the fins and side of the fish...i would think common sense would say this is bad. just my opinion though. |
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | I agree with muskihntr's thoughts and would add that the health of the fish would also be dependent on the speed that he traveled across the lake. The faster the speed, the tougher on the fish.
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Location: lansing, il | also what type of net? i have seen fish before with net marks on the side of the fish probablly from doing just that very thing! |
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Location: The desert | I agree with the speed comment. If the guy just putted slowly across the lake so the fish wasnt being "dragged" through the water then I'm sure the fish is just fine.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I doubt that, htnr, this isn't something I've seen much of but I HAVE done that myself, on the Goon a few years ago with a 54 and then a few minutes later a 54.5. Both within 150 yards of Claybanks Marina and Hannah's camera, so I dropped in the electric and eased over there. No harm to the fish in my big net, that's a certainty. No 'net marks' on either fish. |
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Location: lansing, il | without seeing or knowing how the guy did it its hard to say did he motor with his trolling motor or outboard again how was the fish laying too many variables to even argue about it..personally i wouldnt do it! just my 2 cents! guess its a "had to be there" |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | I think its ego was hurt somethng bad.  |
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Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI | .
Edited by C_Nelson 6/7/2008 12:34 PM
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| everyone already knows the answer. its only common sense. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Q: Just want to know if this can hurt the fish?
A: Most likely not, unless it was high water temps, this would add to the stress already inflicted on the fish, which would decrease its chance of survial.
Q:Would this be considered good catch and release?
A: No, in WI because he/she moved, it was at that point becomes a possessed fish, therefore he got his limit for that day and is done fishing for muskies - regardless of him releasing the fish or not. In states where culling is permited, this is considered catch and release, but become very questionable wheather it is "good" or not. |
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Location: Black Creek, WI | Question: Is it possible to DROWN a fish... especially a musky? |
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| jlong - 10/27/2006 8:45 AM
Question: Is it possible to DROWN a fish... especially a musky?
Absolutely. Pull it backwards in the water, and they cant breathe
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| BALDY - 10/27/2006 8:52 AM
Absolutely. Pull it backwards in the water, and they cant breathe
Short and sweet. Agreed.
Was this at Shabbona? lol |
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Location: Black Creek, WI | BALDY - 10/27/2006 8:52 AM
jlong - 10/27/2006 8:45 AM
Question: Is it possible to DROWN a fish... especially a musky?
Absolutely. Pull it backwards in the water, and they cant breathe
This is what I was taught to believe... but is there any science behind it? |
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Location: lansing, il | was wondering that myself...logic says when were releasing a fish go to the downwind side of the boat so your not poulling against the wind and forcing water through its open gills thus drowning it..but what do i know. |
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| This is Shabbona, and we keep telling Denny at lakeside that the floaters we see near his dock are a direct result of this practice. |
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| jlong - 10/27/2006 9:14 AM
BALDY - 10/27/2006 8:52 AM
jlong - 10/27/2006 8:45 AM
Question: Is it possible to DROWN a fish... especially a musky?
Absolutely. Pull it backwards in the water, and they cant breathe
This is what I was taught to believe... but is there any science behind it?
Found this link that kind of details a little science behind the gills.
http://www.erin.utoronto.ca/~w3bio325/Fish%20gill%20ventilation.htm
I havent found anything that explicitly says water over gills backwards is bad, but the valves and such that are in place in a fish's anatomy to prevent the backward flow of water over the gills lead me to conclude that it is undesirable... |
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| ??? fish can swim backwards - watch panfish do it all the time on a aquaview! Are the holding their breath then?  |
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Location: lansing, il | are thier gills plastered open from the force of the water going the wrong way though????? |
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| There is a difference between a fish swimming backwards and a fish being dragged backwards for a great amount of time. I havnt seen it personally but have heared of plenty of fish dying as a result of "dragging."
Edited by Reelwise 10/27/2006 5:43 PM
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| Never drag a fish backwards! |
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| Musky Man,
1) Did this person that you witness leave the fish in the net and in the lake water and travel with that fish across the lake that way?
2) Or did they bring the fish aboard and leave the fish in the net laying on the floor?
3) Or did they bring the fish aboard and put the fisn in a large livewell with full aeration?
1) This could be done successfully if the speed of travel was very slow and they were conscious of the fish as others have stated
2) This would most likely be leathal to the fish leaving it in the bottom of the boat and not in water to breath and also the removal of slime coating.
3) This would be the best idea to allow you to move faster across the water to get to a photographer then to allow the fish to be returned to the water faster. But then, of course, as someone stated, only if transporting is legal or then if they were to abide by the laws of the limit for the day, etc.
I guess enough info wasn't given within your initial post to determine exactly what was going on... |
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Could this hurt a musky???