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| Couldn't help but notice on the link JJ posted to the Badfish clip there were some other muskie related links.
Here's how not to handle these fish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSEGlkY6KZk&mode=related&search= |
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| That's pretty sad.
Another dead fish.
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Location: The desert | Sure that isnt the best way to handle the fish. But how do you know that fish is dead?? I am not supporting mishandling fish in any sort of way. I always take pride in minimizing handling of the fish and keeping them in the water as much as possible but I think some guys have gotten to the point where people think these fish are more fragile than newborn child. These fish are tough fish.
If you thought that was bad, come to the wolf river dam when the sturgeon are moving and watch how the DNR handles them. We net them, drag them up on shore, measure, tag then roll them down a rocky hill covered by a sheet of plastic with some water splashed on it. And when I say rolled I literaly mean rolled. They bounce off all the rocks and sometimes even get stuck on the rocks for a bit.
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Location: Davenport, IA | Not a surely dead fish. It could be dead though. Its pretty common that people dont' understand that they die much more easily than any other freshwater species of fish. |
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | Definitely not the way to handle the fish. But keep in mind that it's the guy's first ever musky. Think back to how you handled your first musky and how you've improved your handling of these fish with practice. Unfortunately, it's part of the learning curve. We can just hope that new people to the sport learn quickly to ensure healthy releases.
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| I gotta say before I found this site and others like it that's probably the way I would have done it. Net the fish and then bring it into the boat. Using the large nets that most musky fishermen use makes it easier to unhook the fish in the water. Looking at these boys net I don't think they were in tune with proper CPR. Sometimes ignorance is bliss and sometimes it's just ingorance of the correct way to do things. |
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Location: The desert | Schuler - 10/26/2006 1:37 PM
Not a surely dead fish. It could be dead though. Its pretty common that people dont' understand that they die much more easily than any other freshwater species of fish.
Not sure I would agree with that. Can you back that statement up? I look at the pictures we see on here from time to time with fish that have gills hanging out of their gill plate and they are still strong as ever. I think a lot of the mortality comes during the high water temp times of the summer.
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| Haha, I wasn't really even thinking when I first posted this (call me a hypocrit - sp?). I'm gonna be frank here, my first serious year of muskie fishing almost all of the fish were put in the Beckman and then lifted into the boat. I attribute that (place blame on  ) to Joe Bucher's Topwater Terror's video where his buddy, Dropsquatch, loses his grip on a 50+" and a large pike my dad dropped back in the lake after not getting a good hold on it. After seeing that my first year I vowed never to let that happen, so I simply picked the net up and into the boat the fish went (fortunately I think I only caught three that year).
Now, I can't remember the last time a fish has flopped out of my hands. Once my hand slips under that gill plate I grip it as hard as I possibly can. If it squirmed I used to flinch and let up on my grip for fear of getting mangled by their gill rakers. Now I call it muskie knuckle and if a fish wants to fidget as I'm holding it, BRING IT ON, I usually grip that much harder (analagous to a snake killing a mouse, everytime the mouse breaths the snake squeezes harder). I relish the scars on my hands.
Maybe the title of the thread should have been: Please Educate Your Fellow Fishermen.
Anyway, didn't mean to start a rucus. |
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Location: oswego, il | I think it is a state law in indiana that you have to bring the musky into the boat. It must be nearly everybody I see does it. Some use that net too.  |
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Location: Minnesota | That is why I have a Frabill Power Catch Kwik Kradle. ***Sorry for the ad but I did spend the $180 for this net to keep fish alive since this is my hobbie and I feel responsible to keep MY fish alive!!! I keep tghe fish in the water until I take the picute. At that time I do bring the fish into the boat but supported and then snap, back into the water. With that said, I have YET to get a fish in the Frabill this year as it is new but I am usually alone and wanted the extra help to handle that big fish of the future so my son or daghter can catch the same fish or one of its off spring... Just my opinion.
James
Here are my kids in my net LOL:
http://www.gruntmuskielures.com/lures.html
Edited by Grunt Lures 10/26/2006 10:20 PM
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| Pointerpride102 - 10/26/2006 3:26 PM
Schuler - 10/26/2006 1:37 PM
Not a surely dead fish. It could be dead though. Its pretty common that people dont' understand that they die much more easily than any other freshwater species of fish.
Not sure I would agree with that. Can you back that statement up? I look at the pictures we see on here from time to time with fish that have gills hanging out of their gill plate and they are still strong as ever. I think a lot of the mortality comes during the high water temp times of the summer.
Mike
Its pretty simple...I've had many muskies out of the water for 10 seconds that I've spent 20 minutes holding in the water til they had the power to swim on their own. I've seen people have catfish out of the water for 20 minutes and have them swim right off. If you release a muskie like a bass there is a good chance it will go belly up. I've seen many fish caught from shore, out of the water for 2 minutes dead in the water the next day. |
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Location: Rhinelander. | No way in HE-- can you compare a stugeon to a muskie. The sturgeon is an exception to the rule. They can take alot of abuse. I'm not saying its good to treat them that way but they survive> I've been there and seen it several times. Been on the the boat when they netted rough fish on winnebago and seen them netted and hauled aboard,removed from nets after many minutes and put back in good enough condition I'd say to make it.
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| When all is said, I honestly believe we tend to "fragilize" these fish. By that I mean, I think they're a lot hardier than most believe... |
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| Hey pal I'm from Indiana and I take offence to that statement! We are not all dumb Hoosier hicks despite what you may think. There are plenty of us from Indiana who use the appropriate methods when handling these fish. I personally have handled hundreds of muskies over the years including three over 50" and I know several other very good musky anglers from this state who have done the same. About the video hopefully these guys will use the wealth of information available to them these days to educate themselves on proper release methods........ |
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Location: The desert | I realize that sturgeon are much tougher, but the fact of the matter is we hold these muskies like they will die if we look at them wrong. Again I'm all about proper care for the fish and minimal time out of the water. All I am saying is that just because a fish is put into a boat doesnt mean its dead.
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| I agree with the above...
A fish is not automatically dead if brought out of the water, or if it caught on 8 lb line, or if caught on a hot summer day.
I know all of us here practice the "musts" ( i think), but if someone who doesn't share our passion or experience at least makes an HONEST attempt to release a fish I can't fault them too much |
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| Fragile or not, I'm still going to handle them the same way I do. If they could survive a bullet to the head I still would not bring the net in the boat with a muskie in it. And if they do die "just by looking at them," they are still the baddest freshwater fish that swims in my opinion. |
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| Boat rod, if you spend that much time on the water in Indiana, then you surely must see all the guys who do lay thier fish on the floors of their boats, or bring the entire net and fish into the boat to unhook. i dont even fish that much, and i see it way way too often. fish flopping in in the net, on the floor of thier boats. or people laying fish down on their carpet of thier front decks...those things happen EVERYDAY on indiana lakes.
dont get upset from ToddM's statement...his statement is very accurate. a third of boats on indiana waters are IL boats..so he's not calling Indiana residents poor musky handlers..just many of the people who fish the lakes in Hoosierland are poor fish handlers. that's true.
Hey pal I'm from Indiana and I take offence to that statement! We are not all dumb Hoosier hicks despite what you may think. There are plenty of us from Indiana who use the appropriate methods when handling these fish. I personally have handled hundreds of muskies over the years including three over 50" and I know several other very good musky anglers from this state who have done the same. About the video hopefully these guys will use the wealth of information available to them these days to educate themselves on proper release methods........ |
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| here is another video i found on u tube on how to NOT handle a musky! there was another video posted by these same people netting a muskie and pulling it into the boat after a 40 minute long battle on light line but it got deleted. they were TARGETING them too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtdSGY83zPg |
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| Yep some guys from Ill-a-noise ice fishing for musky in march. They had to use planks the move from ice floe to ice floe to set their tip-ups. |
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| Wow I cant beleive there are that many people still handling fish this way. Dont these people read any of the Musky magazines or frequent any fishing websites? This should be fairly common knowledge by now one would think. I started fishing Indiana waters in the early 90's well before the crowds. It's gotten to the point now where I only log 6 days or so in Indiana and thats because my partners dad lives on Barbee. I fish other waters now. I see this kind of fish handling going on in areas like LSC with the big charter boats. I have also seen the charters torpedo release fish. Nothing against charters I guess they do this because their boats are to big to reach a fish thats still in the water. I did see a guy on Green Bay this year bring a netted fish into the boat he was fishing alone trolling three lines and d&%$ near ran into our boat while he was dealing with the fish. He never pulled his other lines or even bothered to take his boat out of gear or even idle down at all. Unbelievable! |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | boat rod, its a huge world out there. I'll bet some have never heard of Muskies, Inc. |
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| The guys in the ice fishing video clearly showed their level of intelligence when they crossed the black ice with the wooden plank. We will be reading about them in the papers someday soon. In the obituaries! |
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Location: The desert | Not everyone in the world is as "elite" as you boat rod. |
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| Thats funny. I dont consider myself to be an elite type of guy. But a little common sence goes a long way in life. |
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| what do you guys think of this release ?
http://www.driftertackle.com/video/video.html |
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| Called a torpedo release. I've seen it done quite a bit on LSC. |
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| I'm sorry, but there's a difference between a torpedo release and dropping the fish back in the lake.
I wouldn't call THAT a torpedo release... more like a fumble! |
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| No difference to me. I'm not fond of either. Those fish will more then likely be belly up! |
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| I hate seeing guys toss (literally) muskies off the side of the boat like they are carp Just makes you cringe!
Edited by Reelwise 10/28/2006 10:59 PM
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Location: syracuse indiana | well seeing the vid's makes you really hope that these fish did make it but odds that they didnt.. as for indiana fishery and the fishermen that chase them. i have fished with todd many times and he is a ok guy. as for his comment he is kinda right. i have lived here in indiana all my life and have chased these fish since i was 15 yrs old when i stayed at my family cabin up in wisconsin and back then we did not have good catch and release ethics like we do now. but anyway i spend alot of time on the indiana lakes webster and the barbee chain/tippy and palistine and bruce and brookville ect. and i have seen my share of idiots doing what they do to our fishery. but all we can do is try to teach them the right way and hope they use it. i spread that as much as i can when just talking musky to other anglers. so it does happen EVERYWHERE not just in indiana so lets all pull up our sleves and teach the world about our sport . and maybee people like in the vid's and people i have seen will learn and do better to our fish......bill
Edited by archerynut36 10/29/2006 7:11 PM
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How NOT to handle these fish