Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?
CowgirlAddict
Posted 10/11/2006 11:11 AM (#214004)
Subject: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?




Location: Minnesota
The author of this thread has apparently decided it's not on track, but I see alot of very good answers and quite a bit of thinking about the subject here, so why destroy that? We'll leave this open for discussion with me asking the question...

Steve Worrall
OutdoorsFIRST Media
Big Perc
Posted 10/11/2006 11:17 AM (#214006 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




Posts: 1188


Location: Iowa
I know of a couple fish that were caught that pushed the state records in a couple different states and I would do exactly what those anglers did...I would release her to swim and fight again another day...the way that I see I really don't care if I catch a record or not...I am just in it for the thrill of the fight and maybe to stick a 50...someone else might as well have the same shot I did at her so why thump her...give someone else the saem thrill with the hope that they have the same conservation ethic that I do...just my opinion anyways...

Big Perc
Dacron + Dip
Posted 10/11/2006 11:24 AM (#214007 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?


There's no way the average guy would be able to ID and make a judgement call on a fish big enough to beat the record. (There'd be a lot of 40#-45# fish killed, that's for sure). Maybe just hang it off a weigh hook, to be sure. Anything with a girth over 24 inches, hang 'em on the scales. Agree 100% with Big Perc, that's what I'd do too.
muskihntr
Posted 10/11/2006 11:25 AM (#214008 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




Posts: 2037


Location: lansing, il
state record.......id release it without a doubt...world record, dont know til im starin it down...your #*^@ed if ya do, #*^@ed if ya dont! i used to say id thump it in a minute..but to be honest with ya the more i think about it the more id lean on lettin it go...id like to have the oppertunity to see what id really do!
muskyboy
Posted 10/11/2006 11:30 AM (#214010 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?


I would keep a certain world record, but release any possible state record I think. I want to see fish pushing the 70 pound mark for real
Musky Brian
Posted 10/11/2006 11:35 AM (#214012 - in reply to #214010)
Subject: RE: would you release it?





Posts: 1767


Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin
I think anyone releasing the World Record would be doing an injustice by releasing it. It's obvious the old records are tainted, controversial if nothing else. WOuld be nice to erase those and start over by getting a new, 100% verified catch
Sab
Posted 10/11/2006 11:46 AM (#214016 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




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As I stated in another thread,I only purchase conservation licenses in Canada where I musky fish,so that decides it for me.I would girth,length measure for a replica with some pics.Good enough for me.
Dacron + Dip
Posted 10/11/2006 11:48 AM (#214018 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?


That's an excellent point, Brian it would be good to get a record 'on the record.' You'd have to beat the hell out of that fish and likely kill it in the process. It'd have to be weighed, and it ain't gonna fit in the livewell. More than a few of those upper fifty/low sixty pound fish die on their way to the boat, too. Pretty sure that's what happened with O'Brien's. They're really old. You never see 12lb chipmunks or mallards with 8 foot wingspans....maybe muskies max out right around 65/67lbs, with rare ones over 70. The record is a sitting duck, it'll fall any time now, and getting it on record is a valid point.
muskymeyer
Posted 10/11/2006 11:51 AM (#214019 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?





Posts: 691


Location: nationwide
Being from Wisconsin and with the state record also being the world record, I know I know, there are differences of opinion here but for the sake of this post I will keep them the same. The post states that I know this is a world record with no doubts.
If I was fortunate enough to land a world record muskie I hope I don't tear my rotator cuff beating it on the head.


Corey Meyer
Wisconsin Wade
Posted 10/11/2006 11:59 AM (#214021 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




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Location: Lincolnshire, IL
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=27...
esoxaddict
Posted 10/11/2006 12:07 PM (#214022 - in reply to #214004)
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Never know for sure until you're looking at it, but I probably wouldn't feel right whacking it. You can't eat it, a replica looks as good as a skin mount, whether it's still breeding or not nobody knows...

But fishing that body of water would be more fun knowing that she was still out there and not the same knowing she wasn't.
Will Dykstra
Posted 10/11/2006 12:08 PM (#214023 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




Posts: 113


I just caught the world Record today....... I thumped it and then released it. I thought this way I wouldn't be *&%#@ed either way.......
curleytail
Posted 10/11/2006 12:35 PM (#214045 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




Posts: 2687


Location: Hayward, WI
I'm not sure if I could give you a 100% answer unless I was actually faced with the situation. Sitting here right now, I think I would release it. Would just be hard to kill a fish that has lived that long, seen that many baits, and grown to unusual proportions. If it wouldn't revive, it would sure look good on the wall though.

curleytail
Vince Weirick
Posted 10/11/2006 12:41 PM (#214046 - in reply to #214004)
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Posts: 1060


Location: Palm Coast, FL
I would without a doubt thump the world record (although I don't get too many chances at something like that). State record...I fish/guide in Indiana and on one of the main lakes (Webster) there is a certified scale for anyone to use. I would without a doubt weigh it and release it right back in the water.
Pointerpride102
Posted 10/11/2006 1:06 PM (#214053 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?





Posts: 16632


Location: The desert
If that fish lived long enough to grow to that size, in my opinion, I owe it to that fish to release it. It deserves the right to die where it grew up. I dont think I have the right to take it from its home and kill it just for my personal gain. Maybe its the environmental ethics class rubbing off on me, but I think it would be a disrespect to a fish of that size to just whack it and hang it on a wall. That is my opinion.

Mike Bolinski
MuskyHopeful
Posted 10/11/2006 1:08 PM (#214054 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?





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Location: Brookfield, WI
I would give it a few slices of ham, take a picture of it chewing the ham, turn the net, and let it go.

Why ham? Big girls like ham.

Kevin

Iberico Ham.

IAJustin
Posted 10/11/2006 1:17 PM (#214059 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




Posts: 2065


I will always release 99.999% of the skies I catch so.... release aWorld Record - LOL ...no , State record ....Hmmmm oh what the heck BONK!
BALDY
Posted 10/11/2006 1:19 PM (#214060 - in reply to #214054)
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MuskyHopeful - 10/11/2006 1:08 PM

Big girls like ham.






HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
esoxaddict
Posted 10/11/2006 1:19 PM (#214062 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?





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BWAHAHAHAHAHA

So I'm not the only person out there that actually thinks about feeding them, huh?

"here you go, good boy!" *pat, pat*

LMAO
Missouri Wayne
Posted 10/11/2006 1:48 PM (#214069 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?


Might as well take some photos and release it. Only way to get a world record recognition would be to have multiple people that don't know each other witness the catch, follow you to a certified scale where it would be witnessed by additional folks, re-weighed on another certified scale, and then in front of all the witnesses, do an autopsy to show there were no weights in the fish or stomach. After the DNA test shows it to be a pure muskie, there will still be people that will say the whole process is void because the moon was full or for another less valid reason.
Not worth it.
Magruter
Posted 10/11/2006 1:50 PM (#214071 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?





Posts: 1316


Location: Madison, WI
Thump!! It's just a fish... That's why we have a conservation programs and high release requirements, so the fisheries can produce trophies.
esoxaddict
Posted 10/11/2006 1:56 PM (#214073 - in reply to #214071)
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Magruter - 10/11/2006 1:50 PM

Thump!! It's just a fish...


LOL

a 40 is just a fish.

a 48 is just a fish

even a 52 is just a fish

but a world record? Kinda goes beyond "just a fish" in my opinion...

Beaver
Posted 10/11/2006 2:07 PM (#214075 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?





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It is my personal intention to never keep another muskie for the rest of my life, if possible.
Who am I kidding? Many guys catch more fish in a year than I'll catch in my lifetime.
As long as I get a picture or 10, I'm happy.
What benefit would I get by keeping it? Providing there was no doubt that I could release it successfully, she would go bye-bye and I would be just as proud.
Beav
B420
Posted 10/11/2006 2:14 PM (#214076 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




Posts: 382


I would kill that sucker in a second be it a state record or world record. I hope anybody that caught the WR would kill it just shut all the folks in Hayward up, I am so sick of the fake records and bs that come out that town.
Bytor
Posted 10/11/2006 2:29 PM (#214079 - in reply to #214054)
Subject: RE: would you release it?





Location: The Yahara Chain
MuskyHopeful - 10/11/2006 1:08 PM

I would give it a few slices of ham, take a picture of it chewing the ham, turn the net, and let it go.

Why ham? Big girls like ham.

Kevin

Iberico Ham.



What about the ribs Kevin? I think she would prefer the ribs.
Derrys
Posted 10/11/2006 2:56 PM (#214095 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?


If I was dead sure it was the new World record, man would I smack that thing. I'd then make thousands from lure companies and advertising. Not a bad trade off. I believe I'm entitled to thump 1 fish in my life. Aren't we all?

Reelwise
Posted 10/11/2006 3:21 PM (#214102 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




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Its easier to say you would release the world record than to actually do it. Now a state record... how many of you muskie fisherman actually have a scale in your boat? Now how many of you dont? Now those that do; do you weigh the fish you catch? My guess is not many people do. Many fish are caught each year with guys thinking they caught a state record, but they are released. If those guys actually weighed the fish would they have kept it if they knew for a fact that is was a state record? It's a hard decision to make. I would release it, thinking that in the future someone might catch one bigger anyways. A picture with measurements is good enough for me. And if your starved for attention, muskiefirst is always here and will let you post a picture of it
bnelson
Posted 10/11/2006 3:54 PM (#214110 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?


pretty hypothetical stuff...but I think I'd probably release it...the WR and current WI Record at present I don't have to worry about catching..If I was say in Indiana and got what I thought was the state record I think I'd be more inclined just to get accurate length, girth and photos and let it go...really what does a state record get you anyway? probably just alot of people trying to knock you down or people that are now gunning for you....and a dead fish...I'll take the thrill of seeing it swim away knowing I probably had it...
happy hooker
Posted 10/11/2006 4:05 PM (#214113 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?


If In my home state of Minnesota it woulbe be too valuable to release,,A world record would go along way in helping get more then the 80 some muskie lakes we have ,,once people see what can be produced
Reelwise
Posted 10/11/2006 4:10 PM (#214115 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




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What do you mean? The entire world already knows what Mn is capable of producing. Im not saying I would hate on someone if they kept it, but there really is no point. Like I said... does anyone know the name of the guy that holds the state record Muskie in their state? BESIDES WISCONSIN

Its not that big of a deal. You will get more credability and respect for releasing the fish if that is all you are looking for.
Chris H
Posted 10/11/2006 4:35 PM (#214123 - in reply to #214113)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




Posts: 85


Minn record has no "value" associated with it if you define "value" as money. It has more "value" to the lake as a big female with awesome genetic make-up as a spawner and reproducer than to the wallet. Value to a guide as far as future bookings, yes. To the angler out there, no value other than maybe a few lures and a hat, and that even depends on the lure manufacturer. You might get a retailer to buy the mount, but what's the point then? Ranger isn't going to be calling offering a new boat when the Minn record falls.

Even the world record is not going to bring any financial windfalls to you. One might be able to leverage it and make a few bucks off the winter shows and things like that, but it's not going to make anyone a millionaire. No offense, but if someone is looking to make money, they have a better shot by going out and try to find bigfoot out in the woods instead.

If you were saying value as in helping to promote muskie fishing in Minn, it's already well estasblished. Take the Gull Lake stocking proposal, there is support and opposition, but one fish wouldn't make a difference.

Edited by Chris H 10/11/2006 4:39 PM
Reelwise
Posted 10/11/2006 4:46 PM (#214124 - in reply to #214004)
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Well put Chris.
Pikiespawn
Posted 10/11/2006 4:49 PM (#214126 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




Posts: 921


Location: Apollo, PA
World Record, heck, i just looked at that fish the guy caught in Nippissing and I don't really know if I COULD release such a monster. I agree with Mike, that the longer you measured and took photos, it would probably end up killing such a giant. You would have to make a pretty quick decision or it would be made for you. The older i get, the more i don't want to kill anything. I just don't know, truthfully, i would love to have the opportunity to see what i would do.
Good Question, PS
fish4musky1
Posted 10/11/2006 5:23 PM (#214135 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?





Location: Northern Wisconsin
if i killed it i would regret it every time i see a picture of it online, a pic in a magazine, and every
time i see it on my wall in my room.
happy hooker
Posted 10/11/2006 6:11 PM (#214147 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?


A world record muskie would be at least 17 yrs old,,,its had 11 yrs minnimun worth of spawning seasons and thousands of eggs to spread its gene pool,,I would ask the Minn DNR if THEY would like to see a World record produced in their waters and what a nice compliment it would be to a program that isnt that old,,,Currently Minnesota devotes about 2% of its fishereies budget to muskies with the recent poll figure at 7% muskie anglers that fish has SIGNIFICANT cash value right in the DNR when asking for a bigger slice of the pie
Peaches
Posted 10/11/2006 6:36 PM (#214150 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




Posts: 273


Yubba Clubba. I would beat that fat chick. Reality is I have a better cahnce of winning the Powerball.

Jeff
Boro
Posted 10/11/2006 7:01 PM (#214154 - in reply to #214004)
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Posts: 132


Location: Elkhart, IN
You've got to admit. It would be fun to take some pics and put her back, claim you released the world record. Then just sit back and watch everyone go crazy calling you a liar.

Brian
Reelwise
Posted 10/11/2006 9:43 PM (#214180 - in reply to #214154)
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Boro - 10/11/2006 7:01 PM

You've got to admit. It would be fun to take some pics and put her back, claim you released the world record. Then just sit back and watch everyone go crazy calling you a liar.

Brian


Amen brother
esoxaddict
Posted 10/12/2006 9:09 AM (#214246 - in reply to #214004)
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It would be more fun to just post the pictures and call it "big"
ddfenner
Posted 10/12/2006 10:32 AM (#214281 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?






Kind of like darned if you do, darned if you don't...

If somebody keeps a musky of that size, somebody won't like that. If somebody wants to record a musky of very special proportions, somebody won't like that either.

That somebody does in fact have a right to their opinion, but I don't think their opinion should ever be any basis to judge such a special event like what happened on Mille Lacs recently.

If there is anybody more concerned about live release, that Mille Lacs guide is right up there.

However, I can only speculate and imagine as I haven't been to that level of the promise land before, but encounting a musky of that size would kind of put me into an emotional state I have never been in before.

Kind of stuck on "Oh My God", playing like a broken record, over and over and over. Kind of like, "I can't breath, I don't feel my knees, my heart is outside of my mouth"....

Certainly, things would be vastly different with such a super fish like this.

Imagine how many of us would want to catch a musky that cannot fit into a Ranger 621VS livewell? Where do I sign up?

With water temperatures in the low 50's on MilleLacs, extended time in the net and a cramped livewell isn't going to be as dangerous a deal if we are talking mid-July.

I think that MilleLacs guide certainly understood this, even while brain stuck on "Oh My God"...

Knowing that Mille Lacs guide, they checked out the release area during the following days after release and with the wind being consistent the days after as the day of the catch, no floater was seen.

I think this person had his cake and ate it too...

That fish has a very high likelyhood of still being out there swimming because of the high level of skill that Mille Lacs musky guide has and any reference to this example as being equal to a lessor experienced person is purely envy and an un-necessary insult.


muskyjim
Posted 10/12/2006 3:31 PM (#214372 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




Posts: 132


Location: MN
I have to put my comment in here on this one as I am the one that caught the fish, fought the fish, landed the fish, and released the fish on Mille Lacs last Friday, best known now as "client" by my friends. It has been quite interesting viewing all the comments on the net about the fish I caught and have kept quiet on the subject mainly due to how the muskie fishing fraternity is, but this topic interests me greatly after going through this.

What is hard for even myself to grasp is the magnitude of this fish. I am still shocked. As DDFenner said, you are shaking and a lot of things are going through your head. It is not just as simple as people here say. I know I will most likely get some heat on this, but you cannot say what you would do in these cases until you get in it. Everyone day dreams about getting a fish like this, but know that the reality of actually catching it is another issue. Am I happy that when Jonesi asked me what I wanted to do with the fish that I said I was going to release her? Absolutely!!! It was my option and I personally believe strongly in catch and release and would not have it any other way. That is my belief for all muskies I have caught and walleyes as well. Are there people harassing me about how the fish was handled? Of course. But Steve and I wanted to know what the weight of the fish was. Sorry to the ones that don't agree with me on some of the things that we did, but in the heat of the moment, things happen. I can also proudly say that the three of us took such good care of the pig, that when I put her in the water, she never even tipped. She had some difficulty getting out of 12" of water, and Steve worked with her to get her into deeper water. And yes, we checked the shoreline the next moring as she would have been in a limited area due to weather conditions and location. So everyone should be happy to know that fish is swimming happily in Mille Lacs eating cisco as we speak and getting fatter.

But the bottom line is, it is up to the person that catches the fish and people that don't agree need to back off. I can speak from a week that was as high as I could be when I caught the fish down to moments I wish I hadn't caught it due to the bs associated with it. If I could only tell the complete truth on what has happened to me since that night, I think there would be a lot of people that would be amazed with how wrong they may be, but I refuse to open up some things that would really create a frenzy online. The muskie community needs to learn that beating itself up is not helping to improve and increase this great sport that is growing and that we all love. We need to educate people on C&R and let them make the final decision, not harass. I hope people can learn to respect decisions made, good or bad.

Chris H
Posted 10/12/2006 4:02 PM (#214386 - in reply to #214372)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




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Hey Jody,
Bottom line, congrats!! Don't let a few comments rain on your parade.

Those of us "in the know" are aware of the individuals involved, and the passion behind the muskies we chase, and how this fish was handled. There are no questions in my mind that she is swimming and there is not a blemish on her. Been it that boat (I was the day before you so I may have a grudge against you! ) so I know how the operation works. Thanks for taking care of her and letting her go, gives me something to shoot for!

Congrats again, "client"!
Chris
JohnMD
Posted 10/12/2006 4:18 PM (#214391 - in reply to #214386)
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Posts: 1769


Location: Algonquin, ILL
If there was absolutly no doubt that the Beast was a new WR, the thump would be so loud Louie Spray would hear it

CowgirlAddict
Posted 10/12/2006 4:20 PM (#214392 - in reply to #214391)
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Location: Minnesota


Edited by CowgirlAddict 10/13/2006 10:45 AM
Don Pfeiffer
Posted 10/12/2006 10:11 PM (#214469 - in reply to #214012)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




Posts: 929


Location: Rhinelander.
I brought this up a few months ago and stated then that a new world record would be dead in a new york minute> Most of would I believe. When the figures for the dollar value are added up you'll understand why.

Pfeiff
Marc
Posted 10/13/2006 5:00 AM (#214484 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?


MuskyJim,congrats on the great big fish to you and Steve
Any time you deal with great big fish,underlying folks whom have never caught anything near as big have comments or opinions,you go through the highs and lows, withdrawls of why am I even doing this to myself,how humiliating

Some mistakes may be perceived by some but till they truelly experience such a thing ,they really bear no meaning what they have to say

Bottom line is its the experience of a lifetime within the excitement of the moment

Congrats to both of you

If its a true world record,better hang it,there's enough people seeing super fish and WR that I think the ghost of Louis is haunting us

What do you realistic need for a WR
Minimum 56 inches or more measured in the water no tail pinch and a girth measurement in the water in its true natural state with a minimum of 28 inches of girth which equals to Obriens fish
58 by 28 hanging and and 56 by 30 lying down if I am correct so to put in perspective I would suspect the fish was 56 by 28 if measured in its true natural state and enviroment
Should be just about the minimum requirements to bust 60 pounds but then again only way to verify it is to hang it
Best be safe if you have a true 30 inch girth
Then the grief will begin
Sponge
Posted 10/13/2006 6:43 AM (#214496 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




yt

Edited by Sponge 2/27/2008 3:48 PM
Reelwise
Posted 10/13/2006 6:48 AM (#214497 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?




Posts: 1636


Who ever said anything bad about this fish?

BTW: Beautiful fish!

Edited by Reelwise 10/13/2006 6:48 AM
Ben Kueng
Posted 10/13/2006 8:15 AM (#214511 - in reply to #214110)
Subject: RE: would you release it?





Posts: 227


Location: Southeast Wisconsin
For sure if it was a state record I would release it. Probably wouldnt cross my mind that it might be a record till she was swimming away

Now, when I catch one with a tail the size of a grown mans leg, the louiville is coming out!

Ben
www.benkueng.com
esoxaddict
Posted 10/13/2006 8:59 AM (#214520 - in reply to #214004)
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MuskyJim

Don't apologize for anything, you don't need to!!

Jonesi spoke to our club the other night and told the whole story -- Nobody who has heard the story from anyone who was there could possibly doubt your concern for the fish. The fact that you were in the water with it trying to release it is a testament to that.

It's unfortunate that you would let ANYTHING take away from that experience, especially the comments from some faceless knucklehead on the internet!

If you wished for a minute that this fish hadn't happened to you because of the "bs" it speaks poorly, VERY POORLY about the impression we are giving off as anglers when we can't simply congratulate a fellow musky fisherman for the catch of a lifetime without criticizing the way the fish was handled, especially when it was released healthy.

Are we REALLY going to criticize this guy or the guide in question because he weighed the fish? Come on guys.
Blummingflower
Posted 10/13/2006 9:55 AM (#214532 - in reply to #214004)
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Posts: 167


Location: Fonda IA
I've never caught one even close to size.
I've never seen one alive close to this size
It would all be up to moment if I did ever get one to this size.
I'll never bash ANYONE keeping a fish this size as it would be a true once in a lifetime event.
An a fresh record, would finally end all the ???????????? about who's really caught the record fish.
I could easily release a big fish but a truely HUGE fish.I mean HUGE............................BONK!!!!!
The real question is could you live with yourself if you ever lost a WR fish about the time you gonna to
net her.??????????????????????????????????????????????Dennis Blume
BALDY
Posted 10/13/2006 10:15 AM (#214537 - in reply to #214004)
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I think we have been over this about 1000 times by now. Some would kill it, some wouldnt. Bottom line, it doesnt matter.

I wont know what I would do until I actually catch the fish...

Edited by BALDY 10/13/2006 11:00 AM
RiverMan
Posted 10/13/2006 10:25 AM (#214538 - in reply to #214004)
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Posts: 1504


Location: Oregon
I would keep the fish without a doubt.

RM
turgeon
Posted 10/13/2006 10:29 AM (#214540 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: would you release it?


Cowgirl,

Actually this post is right on track, you just had ANSWER to your question from the only person to respond who actually was put in that situation.....just days ago.

He released it.

Again congrats to "the client" and "the guide".

sworrall
Posted 10/13/2006 10:49 AM (#214546 - in reply to #214540)
Subject: RE: would you release it?





Posts: 32926


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Actually, the new World Record Muskie is worth a LOT of money if the angler catching it does things right. The exclusive story, endorsements, amd general marketing/promotions $$ are a reality, plain and simple. Of course, a Guide or Pro would benefit more than the everyday angler, especially if they knew what to do with the great fortune they had encountered. As for me, a certain world record and they'll hear the 'thump' in Atlanta. After, of course, all the proper authorities see her in the water and alive yet. I figure that's about as likely to happen to me as hitting the Power Ball, and I don't ever buy lottery tickets.

I've had the good fortune to catch a few really big fish, and didn't hesitate to put them back. A world record, though....
Muskie Bob
Posted 10/13/2006 12:51 PM (#214590 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?




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no doubt in my mind about keeping a state or world record muskie.

Besides answering my dreams, I feel it would help muskie fishing. Hopefully the length limits have been established to protect the growth of muskies to obtain a maxium growth before dying of natural death. Thus, keeping a world or state record should merely help in setting
higher length limits.

I think any state's dnr or conservation department would like new state records as it would help support their programs and efforts.
reelman
Posted 10/13/2006 1:57 PM (#214605 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?




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sworell, I have to disagree with you that a world record would be worth A LOT of money. I'm sure you could get some money out of it but not alot IMO. Who is going to give you the money? What does Musky Hunter pay for an exclusive article? I don't know but I would bet a couple thousand TOPS! Most lure makers don't have enough descretionary funds to pay anything more than a very small amount and even the larger tackle companies probably wouldn't be as interested as you might think.

You could probably make some money by taking the mount to shows and maybe a little more by liscencing replicas of the mount but both of these I would think would be very small amounts.

I wish anybody luck who does catch the WR to make some money off of it but I don't think it will make them financially independent. Plus we all know it will be caught by a 5 year old girl on a dock with a cane pole and a worm!
Obfuscate Musky
Posted 10/13/2006 2:06 PM (#214606 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?




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Location: MPLS, MN
I'd let it go. Don't really care what the rest of you do but I have money and I care less if anybody knows me.
esoxaddict
Posted 10/13/2006 2:07 PM (#214607 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?





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If it was caught on your own lure, or you entered into some sort of partnership with whose-ever lure it was (I know that's not a word) I could see some money out of that. Sure would be good for the guide/resort business if you were into that. Sponsorships? Maybe, not exactly money paid to you, but free stuff is stuff you don't have to buy.

I guess there would be some money to he had at shows and seminars -- who wouldn't want to have the world record holder speak at their club? Multiply that by how many muskies inc chapters and other clubs?

I don't think we'd be talking millions or anything, but $40,000 when it was all over doesn't sound unreasonable.

State record probably not so much, but world record? I'd definitely write a book, and a lot of people would buy it.
ESOX Maniac
Posted 10/13/2006 4:32 PM (#214640 - in reply to #214607)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?





Posts: 2754


Location: Mauston, Wisconsin
Well- I've previously said I'd thump her so hard they'd hear it in Hayward. However, on this September's Canadian Flyin I bought a Conservation License. After we were on the lake I kept thinking what if I stick this pig & she dies on me? It would be serious waste to just leave her for the gulls, crayfish, turtles, bears, or just plain rot. (yeah I know it wouldn't be a total waste, they'd get full belly's.). My next license will not be conservation. However, I guess I'll only know if & when she's in the Beckman.

Have fun!

Al
sworrall
Posted 10/13/2006 9:58 PM (#214688 - in reply to #214640)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?





Posts: 32926


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
I work in the fishing industry and can assure you a world record muskie is worth some serious coin, not just 'free stuff'. Just because you have never experienced outdoors industry sponsorships, promotions, and endorsements doesn't mean they are not there, I am literally surrounded by logos from sponsors of Professional Anglers fishing the PWT Championship in North Dakota this weekend. For many of them, fishing is their only job, associated with the promotional efferts they are under contract to perform. Musky Hunter wouldn't be my choice for the exclusive story, either, I don't think they could afford exclusivity. Disagree all you like, a new World Record handled right could be a full time job for quite awhile, as I said especially if a Pro or Guide catches her. Addict is WAY short on the value.


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RiverMan
Posted 10/13/2006 11:24 PM (#214692 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?




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Location: Oregon
I would agree with Steve, a world record musky would be a million dollar fish. Besides the money though, lets be realistic about keeping "one fish". Musky die everyday from natural causes, poaching, predation, poor releases (deep hooks), and at the hands of less conservation minded anglers. A "world record" musky would have lived to spawn and share it's genetic code many times over by the time it reached "record proportions". To keep this one fish would have no effect whatsoever on musky populations and would bring a whole bunch of excitement and happiness to thousands of musky enthusiasts, seems like a good thing to me.

RM
esoxaddict
Posted 10/17/2006 9:27 AM (#215230 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?





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Don't you think it would depend mostly on who catches it?

Let's be realistic for a minute -- if it was me that caught it, everybody in the fishing world would go "WHO?"

No matter what I did after that, I'd still be some no-name weekend warrior from Chicago who stumbled on a giant fish.


I'd be lucky to get a hat out of the deal.

If I was a well known guide, tournament pro, etc.? That would be a whole different story. I could build a business on that one fish, provided that I was already established and pretty well known BEFORE I caught the fish.
sworrall
Posted 10/17/2006 9:31 AM (#215232 - in reply to #215230)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?





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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Addict,

No, if it was done right, I would not agree with you.
esoxaddict
Posted 10/17/2006 9:37 AM (#215235 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?





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Well Steve, I gotta trust that you know more than I do. If I catch a record fish, I'll be needing a marketing/PR guy. You for hire?
CA
Posted 10/17/2006 9:55 AM (#215240 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?


I have to agree with you Esox, there was a guy that caught a monster on Mille Lacs a few years ago just fishing with a buddy, they weighed it in the boat took a few pics and let her go, if i remember right it was up around 56-57 lbs, and nothing was said about it, the picture just got past around and everybody said OMG what a fish and then the story died, i to think it would take a known someone to make any money out of it
sworrall
Posted 10/17/2006 12:27 PM (#215269 - in reply to #215240)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?





Posts: 32926


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
CA,
That wasn't a World Record.
CowgirlAddict
Posted 10/17/2006 2:39 PM (#215292 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?




Location: Minnesota
True
MuskyHopeful
Posted 10/17/2006 2:47 PM (#215293 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?





Posts: 2865


Location: Brookfield, WI
Seems to me that all the controversy that surrounds the current record would only result in more fame and coverage for the fisherman that breaks it. If a nobody like me caught it, I think the equipment makers would love it. What better way to advertise than to say, "Our stuff is so great, even an idiot like MuskyHopeful can catch a world record."

Steve, if I were to do it, I would like to be on the front page of M1st. That would be a freebie.

Kevin

Cold Plan.

Edited by MuskyHopeful 10/17/2006 6:55 PM
scott24
Posted 10/17/2006 2:56 PM (#215296 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?





Posts: 89


OK, OK, enough talk.  Now who's gonna get out there and catch that mother?
Tom P
Posted 10/17/2006 2:56 PM (#215297 - in reply to #214004)
Subject: RE: Would you keep a World or State record Muskie?



If it was a world record ......... HMMMMMMMM


There would be a WHACK heard around the world..

Tom P
Dan Urbas
Posted 10/17/2006 4:56 PM (#215320 - in reply to #214532)
Subject: RE: would you release it?


Release em all!