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| Been going through my box lately, and noticed that I'm a little light on deep running gliders. Looking for something that can quickly and easily be counted down (or will run already) in the 8-16ft+ range, without a really fast upward parabola as it comes back to the boat. I already have enough gliders that run 1-4ft down, so I dont need more of those.
Looking for both cigar shaped, and shad/perch shaped gliders to fish the really sharp and deep breaks on cisco and shad forage based lakes.
Thanks!
The Chocodile mourns for the Croc Hunter. |
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| Try an 8" Dunwright Dancer, works for me. Slow gentle taps and it will stay deep and have a nice side to side action. |
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Location: Madison, WI | Slammer's drop belly glider, count it down and retrieve. Doesn't have that large of an upswing.
Edited by Magruter 9/14/2006 11:03 AM
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| Check out the Deep Phantom. Very nice glider that stays down nicely. |
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| Phantom makes the "deep" phantom,,,came out in 05 both in 8 and 6 inch,,not just more heavily wighted but with a slight angle to the head that allows it to get and stay deep,,works great,,,the 6 is really wild
call thorne bros
or Todd Clevland of phantom,,763-434-4263 |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | The deep phantoms rock, they are awesome baits.
Run deep, easy to work, and muskies love 'em!!
I would invest in a few different flavors of deep phantoms!!!
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | I agree with all the above posts.
I just want to plug Beaver's Basement baits on this thread because some of his baits have the same quality's. I can't express how good some of the baits I got from him worked. Side to side swing and a great shimmy as they slowly sink on ther pause. Deadly paint jobs and quality craftsmenship make these baits a no brainer.
Pictures to follow soon, the casting bite is starting back up with all this recent cool weather. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I agree with Mike I have a couple of Castors that are really good deep gliders. I also have some Nut Wabulls that stay down there real well too. |
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| I also agree about beavers castors and also would plug jeds turmoils from bikinibaits.
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| Cobbs Countdown Glider as well as the others mentioned |
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Location: Appleton,WI | The squirrley Gill glide count down walk the dog glider.Great for cold water applications. |
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Location: The Sportsman, home, or out on the water | I second the Gill Glides, and offer Timberwolfs as another great option.
(derned it! I need a drink, lol) |
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| Thanks for the knid words guys, but I must say that though my lures and many other gliders are made to work at less than a 6 foot depth, if you just slow down, any glider can be worked deeper. I have some lures of my own, some Cobbs Countdowns, Wabulls and of course Hughes Rivers that are dynamite at working higher in the water column. BUT, take the same lures and throw them out and then count to ten. Keep the taps light and short, and do them in 2's. 1-2....pause for a 3-5 count with slack being taken up slowly....repeat....and those lures will stay down. Speed brings them up, and because the lure follows the line, the faster you work the lure, it goes nose up and follows the line right back to the rod tip. I know sometimes conditions don't allow for a long pause or any at all. I've said it before, and it'll be on my headstone......I catch more fish on the pause than any other time when using gliders.
The pig that I lost a few weeks back ate the lure after it had been hovering for about 5 seconds.
I'm lucky. I'm old. Doing stuff slowly is easier on me, but since I started using more pauses and quit snapping every glider in like a Reefhawg, I get better action-more shimmy-a longer glide and more strikes. Don't forget that after the snap, you should remain motionless and let the lure glide. That's why they call them gliders. Some runners and gunners have a hard time slowing down, but big fish are opportunistic, and they are suckers for motionless lures because they are assured of lining up for a perfect attack, expelling very little energy....especially in the fall. It isn't a race guys. Give it a try.
Also....I grew up fishing a lake with over 100' of gin clear water. I learned early on that a muskie will move straight up 20 feet or more to eat a lure coming off of a break. Think about it......how far have you seen them chase down a top-water? It's nothing for them to come up from 10-20 feet to eat a lure. It takes very little effort if the lure is moving slowly and stopping from time to time. Add in that the angle of pursuit from underneath and behind is their best shot at a sure meal. Getting lures down in their faces is no guarantee that they will eat.
Wanna go deep? Use lures designed to go deep...Bulldawgs, crankbaits, slow rolling a 4 ounce spinnerbait....many options.
I get requests all of the time for faster sinking, deeper running gliders. I've tried, but the action gets killed most of the time.
Slow down, try more pauses.......even if it kills you. The first time that you feel that "THUMP" when the lure is hovering and you are slowly reeling in the slack line, you'll become a believer.
From a lure making standpoint, there are a couple of other things to try. Take along a supply of 4/0, 5/0 and 6/0 trebles. Toss your glider out and see if it sinks straight down instead of head or tail first. Changing the hook size can even out the position of the lures as it descends. Put on the biggest hooks that you can so they won't tangle. Just that little extra weight can make the lure sink faster and stay down easier.
Did I mention to pause, and to pause often? That should help.
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Location: Apollo, PA | Beav,
That was a beautiful explanation. You crushed it!! |
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Location: oswego, il | I like the deep phantom too. You can order the hoosier handmade musky bait gliders in a deeper running version too and they get down there. |
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Location: Muskoka Ontario,Canada | #*^@ Beaver, that was a wicked explanation of how to effectively work a glider! Very nice. |
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Location: 31 | I agree... WOW... nice explanation by the Beaver! My go to gliders in the fall have always been Amma Bama's with quick short rod snaps and long pauses. One way to occupy your time on the long pause is after the rod snap and collecting of the loose line squeeze and release the muscles in your hands. This is also the best way I know of to keep your hands warm as toast while cold water casting.
LIke Beaver says... don't worry too much about thinking you're fishing too shallow on a 15'-20' weed line in clear water. Just look at the lenght of your boat for how short that really is... a couple tail swipes for a hungry muskie. |
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Location: Lafayette, IN | Yeah, Beav nailed it. My biggest came at night on a Hoosier Handmade 9" Shad Glider. Easy to work. Pause and WHAM! A 47.5 incher at 11pm!
Gliders are a blast.
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| Thanks guys, I'm blushing.
I admit that I probably go to gliders almost 75% of the time, and only go away from them when I have to.
During cold weather I've had guys ask me.."Are you gonna fish, or what?" That's how slow I go.
Once you learn the drop rate, you know how long you can wait. That's also why I like to get my lures to shimmy on the drop. Because while I'm not moving, they still are, and the look alive.
The pause is the most important part of the retrieve, I believe. The movement of the lure gets the skis attention, you want to give him opportunity.
I'll fish gliders in 40 feet of water and not think twice about it. Why? Because muskies aren't bottom huggers like other fish. They swim around break lines and watch for any sign of movement and then they check it out.
One thing that I saw last year that was great was when I was fishing Cass. I was fishing a steep break on a sunny, windy day and was in 30 feet of water hitting about 3 feet on the cast. I began the retrieve with a few pulls and saw a flash behind the lure. I thought a fish missed the lure or refused it. So I continued the retrieve with the 1-2 - pause, and about 15 feet from the boat a fat 45"er came from deep water and nailed the lure. I'm convinced that the fish missed the lure but moved out over deep water and suspended and kept an eye out for it, and when she saw it again she positioned herself and waited for it and ambushed it at the opportune moment.
I like the comparrison of looking at the length of your boat. A fish like a muskie can cover 20-30 feet in seconds and expend little energy in the process.
So like your girl friend or wife has been telling you..."Slow down! You'll get more action and satisfaction. It's not a race." 
Beav |
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| When you think about it???? the ultimate deep glider might actually be the tripple B!!! |
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Location: 31 | Right on Beav, it's the "quiver" (as I call it) that seems to get the bite, a friend of mine once called it "puke slow". Unfortunetly though we could never fish together with gliders in Nov because people would think we froze to death in the boat and call 911 or something Cheers. |
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| Beaver, dude, terrific response.
Please post your home address below...yes, post your home addy below!!!
Ok, everybody who has read beaver's ideas on this one...
send him a buck. Just for the heck of it, mail the buck, no note necessary. Won't it be fun for him to open those envelopes? Sure it will be just a few, but who cares.
If you need the $0.37 for the stamp, well, let me know and I'll just send him a buck on yer cheap-a$$ behalf. |
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| One deep glide that gets very little publicity and works well is the Rizzo BigT. This baby runs deep! I particuarly like the smaller version. |
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| Should I write a very short book?
Beav |
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Location: Apollo, PA | No, absolutely not!!! I can relate because i'm polish too. You should just make castors, and perka's along with the occaisonal surface flaptail (whatever the hell you call it)!!!!!!!!!!
Sell them to friends, put the money in your pocket and fish...........
Just my two cents, PS |
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| agree with beaver about slow and the pause. I work the zig zag bait that way and the manta and feel that the pause is the key to more success. I believe most guys work gliders to fast. Actually have felt the fish on after a good pause when I start the next tap.
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Location: Kenosha, Wi. | I'm a big fan of the Smity Power Glides and Mercer Creeks. They drop a foot a second and work well in two different ways. Short jerks work well and for something a little different just use the reel handle with short spurts, you'll get some great action from these baits. |
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Deep Running Gliders?