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| Disgusting. Note the old wounds and the large fresh one.
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How do you know those are from snagging and not bite marks from other muskies ?
Did you call in CSI MUSKIE to investigate ??? |
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| When I was at Mille Lacs recently, I heard a guy came in to a bait shop with a 50" fish that had clearly been snagged. The shop owner told him to get lost, when the guy asked to have the fish weighed or something. People in another boat close by supposedly saw the guy purposely trying to snag the fish while it was in less than 3 feet of water along the North end's sand. I wasn't there, but this came from a pretty reliable source. Later. |
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Location: oswego, il | I know where that is, I can tell you there are snaggers down there, that is why Esox50 can say that. I do have a question about that lake though never recieved an answer, can you use trot lines on the lake? |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | looks more like a wound from a boat prop. m |
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Location: Iowa | We were on Mille Lacs a couple of years ago and noticed a large dead fish in about 6 feet of water so we netted it for a closer look and looked like someone had hit it with a prop...it measured over 50" curled stiff in the net...someone must have caught it and not stayed with it when they let it go...but the damage to the fish looked very similar to this photos just closer to the head and on the head of the fish...its sad to see things like that and this...
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| Here is a photo I took of a 50" fish in the Minaki area last year. I blew it up, so the photo quality is bad, but you can see where this fish was struck by a prop. The fish seemed healthy, even though the gash was so deep you could see bones and such sticking out.
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| Dunlap,
Bite marks from another muskie? Have you ever seen photos of bite marks on suckers and other fish? Does that REALLY look like bite mark wounds to you?
Todd,
I would be very surprised if you could use trot lines in the LAKE.
Perc,
The place this happened is NOTORIOUS for people snagging fish, sometimes by accident sometimes not. I saw another fish that day follow four times in very shallow water and had the same kind of wounds. My first reaction was a prop hit, but the propensity for snagging down there is so great and the boat numbers so few (you might get three or four boats out there PER WEEK) that it just seemed more likely a snagging incident (though I wouldn't rule out a prop hit). The fish was also very much alive.
Looking at the pic Brad posted, the wound is thin with a lot of loose flesh around it. In the pic I posted, the wound is much more spherical and bulbous like it's been infected. Does anyone else have pics of prop hits? I'd be curious to compare pics.
Edited by esox50 9/12/2006 8:25 AM
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | I am not a scientist, but I feel pretty strongly that those marks are from a somewhat common carcinoma that occurs in muskies. They look nasty, but are not fatal to the fish. Same kind of thing that you see on this fish:
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/photos/show-album.asp?albumid...
#*^@ I was skinny. |
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| Hmmm, interesting, Slamr. Are there any publications online about carcinoma in fish? |
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Location: The desert | I think I might agree with slamr on this one....I'll do some digging around in between classes and locate an article or something on that carcinoma deal. I know I have heard of it, just cant put a name to it right now. I dont know if snagging would cause such a large sore like in your picture. I'll admit I've snagged my share of salmon in the river runs and carp and never made any big wounds in the fish, now maybe after release the wound develops like that, I dont really know. I'll get back to you if I find some stuff out.
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| call me devils advocate but I think at least some of those wounds are from people trying to snag fish...it has to be going on...I would think it's not by the die hard musky guys but the fair weather, gotta have a trophy for my office musky fishermen....reality is there are people that would and do try stuff like that...with 50+ inchers sitting in the sun seemingly in a coma they are an easy target for it...
so what can we do if it is going on? well of course report any cases we see or hear of to local authorities...
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Location: The desert | Very true one of the wounds could be snagging. I dont disagree. Perhaps a snagging wound can lead to the development of the carcinoma?
Mike |
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Location: Eden Prairie & Pine Island | BRAVO to the bait shop owner, Brad! |
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| bn - 9/12/2006 9:05 AM
call me devils advocate but I think at least some of those wounds are from people trying to snag fish...it has to be going on...I would think it's not by the die hard musky guys but the fair weather, gotta have a trophy for my office musky fishermen.
I think, given the location of the wound and the geographical location of the fish (all circumstantial evidence mind you), it probably is from an attempt to snag. There was someone caught recently harvesting a sub-legal fish. |
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| There is a post on Chad Cain's website about the same topic...
Here are some MuskieFirst Pics of the Lake Vermillion July Tournament Winners...
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/photos/get-photo.asp?photoid=...
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/photos/get-photo.asp?photoid=...
The wounds are very different?????
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Location: Madison, WI | WHAT DID THAT FISH EAT!!!!! |
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Location: Chicago, Beverly | I got this from the IL DNR Regs, this applies if the lake this musky is from is not listed as a 2 pole lake(both Kinkaid and Shelbyville are NOT 2 pole lakes):
ON WATERS WITHOUT THE 2 POLES AND LINES FISHING ONLY
restriction, up to 50 hooks in total may be used legally on devices permitted
under a sport fishing license. Legal devices include: bank
poles and lines, dip nets, throw lines, trot lines, buoyed devices (jug
fishing), gigs, spears, bow and arrow, and bow and arrow devices.
No more than two untagged sport fishing devices (no more than 50
hooks total) under the angler’s immediate control are allowed. Each
legal device more than two, up to 50 hooks total, must be tagged with
the angler’s name and address. If attached to a tree, the device must
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| If that is shelbyville, I used to catch fish with those types of sores in the lake from time to time, so it could be some type of bacteria in that lake...Ben |
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| Ben,
VERY close to Shelbyville, very. I think most should know where I'm talking about. No surprise. For those in the know, while it could be carcinoma or maybe a prop wound, put two and two together.
Might I add there was a poacher just caught from this place not but a couple weeks ago. |
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| That looks alot more like carcinoma or a prop than a snag wound to me. |
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| Dunlap, why dont you register? You obviously visit this website so topics like this one give you something to read in your spare time. Just trying to narrow it down to a source, thats all. Don't you want to learn something new or do you know everything?
Not sure If I would blame it on snagging or a prop. While many people are out trying to snag fish, far too many wounds in my opinion. I would def. blame it on some kind of bacteria... but talking with Sean the bacteria had to get in there somehow.
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Location: Black Creek, WI | I highly suspect that these two tournament winning fish were snagged at one point in time... but well prior to when these pictures were taken.
I truly believe that Illegal Snagging is becoming an epidemic for Minnesota.
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| Magruter - 9/12/2006 10:01 AM
WHAT DID THAT FISH EAT!!!!! it ate they guy who snagged him |
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Location: St. Louis, MO., Marco Is., FL, Nestor Falls, ON | Hey jlong:
I really have not seen any snagging going on up on LOTW. However, I have seen fish with similar wounds early in the season from spawning. I also have caught fish with hook tears in their sides. That doesn't necessarily mean that the marks were the result of snagging.
Muskies often roll on the baits and get these type marks from late hooksets. It happens and is usually accidental. Where snagging often occurs is from shore fishermen, not boat fishermen. Snagging is a legal way of fishing for certain fish. Muskies are not one of them. Anyone seen snagging muskies should be reported to the conservation department. Get their license number, boat registration, etc. whenever possible. |
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Location: Downers Grove, IL | Here's a fish from LOTW from last year. Any ideas?
thedude
(messed up muskie from LOTW.jpg)
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| That is nasty. |
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| That fish is a lepre!!!! Maybe we've been mis-diagnosing the problem. Maybe these fish are suffering from water-born cases of leprosy! |
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | ewwww |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Looks like it could be advanced "Lymphosarcoma" ->
http://www.glfc.org/tumor/tumor3.htm
http://www.glfc.org/tumor/tumor4.htm
Have fun!
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Location: Chicago, Beverly | I do know that Snagging is NOT legal in Minnesota and supposedly just the possesion of snagging hooks in that state can get you a fine... however the pic Esox 50 showed us is of a tailwater fish below a dam in Illinois where the CO's have gotten repeated violations of guys snagging Musky, so I am going with his pics being of a snagged fish for sure... some of these other fish could be cancer patients, or spawn damaged fish... or as others state may very well be snagged fish also.. If you see someone snagging Musky on purpose and not releaseing them, whether its with a suick or a lead weighted 7/0, call the co's and report them or call the Tip Poacher hotline for the state your in... get car/truck plate numbers.. boat registration numbers anything usefull with which to ID the criminals... |
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