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| Is there any research out there that can tell me I can honestly troll at 8mph and know that a muskie can catch my bait and eat it. |
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| The only thing I've every seen on their speed is In-Fisherman stated that they could swim at least four times faster than you can retrieve a lure.
Consider this: If you run at 8 mph, you're only running 7 1/2 minute miles, a jogging pace. Given that a muskie is a top predator, I'd say that she could chase down that 8 mph lure without breaking a sweat (figuratively)! |
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| Don't quote me on this one, but I've heard from numerous people that a musky can swim 10-20 faster than you can reel a lure in at your fastest speed. I'm can't remember who told me this, but I've heard it from a few guides if I remember correctly.
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| No solid research here Jason but once won the "Wisconsin Indianhdead State Championship Muskie Tournament" on Deer and Bone Lake by catching 6 leagles in two days. The first 5 were caught Speed Trolling Hellbenders and Spoonplugs. I had a digital speedo with a paddlewheel. All 5 fish came at a speed of between 8.3 mph and 8.7 mph. They didn't have any trouble catching the lure. Of course they may all have hit it from the front I don't know. On each occasion the lure was almost entirely engulfed but then they are small lures. This speed, by the way is very hard on the fish. After our win I sent a letter to the organizers stating that should they allow the trolling to continue I would probably do it as a way to win. But that I thought in the interest of the resource would they please rule trolling out. You can no longer troll in this tourney. Good idea I think, just to darn harmful to those fish. Not all trolling is as bad as this method of taking fish. This method uses serious speed and small lures that the fish seem to take deeply. This is tough on them in the extreme. I don't troll in this manner any longer, mainly for this reason. Ok enough preaching just my take on "speed".
Let Em Go...Let Em Grow.....Mike[:bigsmile:] |
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| Muskies and other ESOX are ambush predators with body structure designed for sprinting. Put the problem in persective- 8mph = ~12'/sec can a 4' Muskie accelerate and catch something moving 12' in 1 second. I think Muskies are capable of burst's at much higher speeds for shot distances. The 8 MPH lure is most likely moving by the suspended fish & it accelerates and smash's the lure. I seriously doubt they follow for any significant distance at 8 mph. But then again maybe JLong has something that can enlighten us all.
Al Warner
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| I have read many times that they can get to 25 to 30 MPH in very short spurts. I believe it after seeing many of those fish swim hard to get a lure or to get away from one. I have caught a muskie at 10MPH and the fish inhalled the bait so it had to be swimming much faster then it.[:sun:] |
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| Jason,
I copied this information from the link I posted elsewhere in Muskie research:
"Considered 'sprint predators,' pike and muskies usually lie in wait in some type of cover, intently ob serving their prey. At the opportune moment, they cock their body into an 'S', then dart forward, striking the prey at speeds approaching 30 miles per hour."
Hope this helps. |
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| Wow,
This message board is going by itself already. I just stopped in to check it out and I see some great topics going!!!!
Looks like all agree that muskies are speed demons. I've seen literature that supports Trophymusky's comment of speeds approaching 30 MPH. That's some serious acceleration.
Personally, I find more interest in the other "half" of the discussion. WHY does speed catch muskies? Speed trolling at 8 MPH is a proven technique. WHY is it so effective???? I feel it has something to do with the Lateral Line and a faster object producing a much BETTER lateral line signal. The result is a "reaction" strike.
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| Have some information somewhere that indicates Esox can accelerate to 60 miles per hour! If I can find it I will post it. Have a friend that has caught them trolling at 16 mph!!
Larry Ramsell
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| You may be right about the lateral line signals given off by faster moving lures-Im a true beleiver in speed under warm water conditions. We dont troll in Vilas County, But I know even fast casting retrieves will produce under the right conditions.Ive always felt it cut down the time the fish had to make a decision about striking the lure;however the lateral line input could be just as,or more important HC Meyer Seven Islands Guide Service Presque Isle Wi. |
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| Do sound waves or vibration travel faster in warmer water or cooler water temp's? Is the extra speed in warmer temp water so much more effective because of the fish's increased metabolism ( to be able to chase it down) or does the speed sounds/vibrations travels faster/further in the water so the musky can locate it easier and from a greater distance?? |
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| Hmmm.... pressure waves travel FAST through both warm and cold water. However, physics would say that the energy will travel faster through a more dense material (air vs. water for instance) so I SUPPOSE you could say that the vibration from a lure would travel faster in COLD water that is more dense.
Personally, I have found speed can work very well even in cold water temps. Mike Roberts and I got 5 fish in one day in NOVEMBER using SPEED as a trigger with water temps at 40F. So to say speed is more effective in summer may not necessarily hold true.
You may be onto something though.... but not sure how we will ever tell for sure. |
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| Larry R. - The article you're referencing may be here -> http://www.pikeandmuskie.com/artknowpike.htm
Although it's in reference to pike the same acceleration should apply to Muskies. Wow- that's an ability to accelerate to 88'/second. Also the shape of the tail has a great impact on the continuous swimming speed. The sharper the tips and greater depth the faster the fish can swim. The Tuna's are high speed swimming kings. The body is fairly ridgid and the tail is the prime propulsion generator and is cresent shaped with sharp tips. Seems to increase the swimming efficiency. Are Muskies more efficient continuous swimmer's than pike because of the shape of the tail? Can they swim at higher sustained speeds? The difference in the tails has to be for a reason.
I haven't been able to find a scientific verification of the 60 mph statement. Perhaps jlong has something-he's been into Muskie reaserch for some time now. But it makes sense that when a Muskie wants to strike/lunge at a prey it can accelerate very quickly.
What's the tune? .... "the Muskie lunges, the Muskie strikes,..............."
Al Warner
PS-found this in my searches for more info on Muskies.
"A man ceases to be a beginner in any given science and becomes a master in that science when he has learned that . . . he is going to be a beginner all his life."
R. G. Collingwood (1889–1943)
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| Another two cents worth. I have also found that speed and cold water sometimes go together. Now if I just knew when to go fast and when to go slow...............or when to not go at all................always go
Let Em Go...Let Em Grow.....Mike |
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| Pike can swim pretty fast too, not sure if it's the same speed as muskies, but on a northern Ontario Fly-in last summer we caught a pile of pike on baby straight depthraiders at 5.5 mph (according to the garmin). A few walleyes too at 3.5. It was end of July and it was hotter than blazes up there. |
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| Maniac: No, that is not the article, although that information may have come from the same source as mine. As I recall, a movie was made of a pike striking, and even in slow motion the fish was still just a blurr!
Muskie regards,
Larry Ramsell
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