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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | What would you say to a energy source that would power anything now powered by AA cell batteries, replacing thousands of batteries with one package of hydrogen energy cells? Leave 'em in the charger for weeks on end, no worries. Get hundreds of photos out of a digital camera per charge, power a flashlight or cap light MUCH longer, no worries about very hot or very cold weather robbing your energy source of longevity. Now how about the charger and EIGHT of these totally rechargeable energy sources for about $24? I'm in the middle of a new product review of this product, and must tell you these things rock. |
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| I would say when and where can I buy them??? |
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Location: Big Lake, MN | With all the battery operated gizmo's I have plus the thousand battery powered toy my kids have, I DO have the need for something like this!! |
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| give it up Steve.
where can we see? |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Sounds good. What's the stock symbol for this company?
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| I bought a set at Reeds in Walker, MN. Kit includes 8 batteries and a charge. Charges 4 batteries at once. Just started using them so I can't say one way or the other, but the hype sounds good to me.
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Location: oswego, il | I am in. Do they have them in other battery styles too? A deep cycle would be nice! |
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Location: ontario canada - Well Anderson Indiana now | Mr. Worrall,
Who is the manufacturer of this product? I work right down the hall from a company called altairnano who are creating similar technologies. It is amazing what is possible really, I'm assuming that in the next few years we should see some pretty amazing new products on the market in the energy field (deep cycle batteries hopefully!) |
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| think about how much money you spend on batteries a year for digital cameras, head lamps, handheld gps, flashlights, did I mention digital cameras? mine eats batteries like its its job! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I've been using them for a couple weeks and am very impressed. I have the 4 cell charger, and am picking one up for 8. The cells last at 100% considerably longer than any battery I've tried to date, can be left in the charger 24/7 safley, offer a 'no curve' discharge until empty outputting full power until the charge goes to zero, are inexpensive, and just plain cool. Watch the Outdoors Products stores first, that will be where you'll find them for the time being. I'll have a link to a website soon, as well. I'll check on the stock thing, but don't think this is a publicly held company yet.
The contents of the E-cell are harmless, biofriendly, and unlike lithium batteries, not prone to leak or explode if abused a bit. They will be available in the standard 'battery' sizes, and the chargers will be available from specific to charge- all- size- models.
The folks at E-cell tell me the most important issue is to charge the cell completely before the first use.
I think EBunny season just opened. |
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| Mark Martin (the walleye pro) showed me these this past winter and I was impressed with the hype but as of yet I still haven't bought any. I have probably bought $50 worth of AA batteries in the same time, I think it's time to get a set. BTW Mark is sponsored by this company and his boat is wrapped in there wrap.
Does anybody know any place in Wisconsin that is carrying them? |
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Location: Contrarian Island | looks like you can order them right off there site...19.95 for a set of 8 AA's and the charger...sounds perfect! I know I go thru alot in my radar detector, headlamp, and handheld gps...perfect!
thanks for the link. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Mark is one of the top Walleye Pros in the country, and a gentleman. He represents his sponsors very well! Here's a picture from this morning at the PWT Super Pro on the Keweenaw.
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Location: CENTRAL WISCONSIN | Correct me if i'm wrong, but Energizer has had these out for quite some time....Energizer Rechargable. NiMH cell just like these. Same price point as well.
Just my 2 cents. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | These are not nicad or alkaline, nor are they Nickel-Metal Hydride bartteries. They are literally hydrogen energy cells and unlike the NMH batteries, do not overcharge or create a dangerous situation if left in a charger for an extended period of time. Open one up, it's basically saltwater. We will have the link the distributor and manufacturer wants us to use ready for you soon. |
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| Where can I get some?
I can only think of about 20 places that I could use them. |
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| Editor's Note:
The manufacturer has requested we use a link that is under development, look for it very soon. There have been some changes to pricing and product in the last few months, so we'll provide that info as soon as it is ready to go. |
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| NiMH batteries are popping up all over now.
I just bought Energizer NiMH batteries, charger and a extra battery coupon for $20.00.
I'll be getting them for cameras, walkie-talkies, my kid's games....lots of stuff.
After doing research, it seems like the only way to go. Goobye 24 paks on-sale. Hello to a dozen of them that will last me for longer than the 24.
Now if they would just create a recharger for me, I'd be happy.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Beav,
E-cells are not NiMH. They are literally rechargable hydrogen cells, and can be left in the charger 24/7. Here's what it says about NiMH batteries and charging:
'Do No Harm
Marks the paydirt That one-liner from the Hippocratic oath is the perfect starting point for NiMH battery management. To avoid shortening runtimes and service life, everyone agrees that you must
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Charge, deploy and condition loose rechargeable NiMH AAs in fixed sets, as if they were part of a battery pack.
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Avoid overcharging like the plague it is.
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Do whatever you can to avoid overheating during charging.
A smart charger that knows when to quit on its own is the key to success here. Deploy your charger in a cool, well ventilated area. If your charger has a cover, leave it open during charging if possible.
Conditioning
If you do nothing more than follow the guidelines just given, your NiMH AAs will live long and prosper. But getting the very most bang from your batteries will require just a bit more effort:
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To maximize runtimes, condition your batteries—once when first entering service and then very occasionally when runtimes begin to sag noticeably. Typically, that will occur near the end of the set's service life, which can be stretched a bit with judicious conditioning.
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Between conditionings, favor shallow discharges over deeper ones to maximize service life—but don't make a religion of it.
With a fast conditioning charger to speed you through largely unattended conditioning cycles, the pain/gain ratio should stay well within tolerance. That said, bear in mind that repeated deep discharges can shorten service life considerably and unnecessarily.
Marks the gotchas Too much NiMH conditioning is far worse than none at all.
I freely admit that the utility of NiMH conditioning remains controversial in forums like RPD, but I've experienced the benefits of conditioning first-hand. For the $8-10 a replacement set of NiMH AAs will cost you, these efforts may not be worthwhile for you, but they have been for me. '
The E-cells are totally memory free too, can charge basically all the time, do not have the 10% loss when out of the charger and sitting around, and will stay at full output until the charge is used. No worries about developing 'sets' of batteries or conditioning, either. 8 E-cells and a charger are going to retail at about $24. All one has to do is charge them in full before the first use, then it's basically bulletproof. So far, they are still holding at full in the two tests I have going, a week further than the Nicads I had.
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| Well, where can I get them?
I just read all of the literature that came with mine, and it says to fully charge them, and once they have reached full charge the charger will shut off. I'm supposed to get at least 50% longer life in a camera, and they lose 1/2 of 15 of their charge per day while the camera sits idle. When I search E-Cells, I see that they are a pack that is sealed, but there is no place listed to buy them.
My charger will hold 4 AAA or 4 AA at once, or 2AA and 2AAA.
I don't think that I wasted $20, because the life of the batteries in my camera was short at best. These have to be better.
I'd like to find out where to buy the E-Cells and use them. Let me know where I can get them in the Milwaukee area, because I can't find them.
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| Anybody....where can I get them?
I have a digital video camera for Fathers Day, and it eats batteries. Runs on 4 AAAA's.
If I can't find any soon, I'm just going to guy some of the same ones taht I bought yesterday, because I can use the same charger for AAA's as AA's.
I rather get these, but even doing a search, I can only find test results and crap like that, but no listing of retailers.
Anybody?
I try to find their site, and all I get is prison bracelets!!!!
Beav
Found their websit....www.notabattery.com....I think.
I ordered a dozen AA's, a dozen AAA's and a charger that holds both and charges them independently.
Good-bye regular batteries.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I can get you a set of 8 and the charger for $24, Beav. No worries. |
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| Hey steve, I would really appreciate being able to pick up this set for $24.00...I would need AA...Thanks,Ben [email protected] |
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| I went to the website, and I was curious about a few things that aren't mentioned there.
With the slow charge, how long does it take to charge the batteries?
If I'm running a GPS and a digital camera, I think 8 cells is enough, but which charger do I need to charge 4+ batteries at a time? I want to make sure I always have 4 charged, and 4 in use.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | That's the way the 8 cell kit is set up. I have 4 in the charger and 4 in use at all times. Since you don't need to worry about the cells in the charger and can just leave them on charge, they are always ready. |
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| How long for a charge? Is the $19.99 package the one I want? From the picture the $19.99 version looks like it only holds two cells at a time (to charge).
Confused... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I charged the first 4 overnight, and they are still going in the camera and LED display lights I'm using them in. So the second set is still in the charger.
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| sworrall - 7/1/2006 5:20 PM
Beav,
E-cells are not NiMH. They are literally rechargable hydrogen cells, and can be left in the charger 24/7. Here's what it says about NiMH batteries and charging:
This is from the e-cell from e-village website:
The E-cell is a NiMH enclosed fuel cell employing the same advanced technology that powers the automotive industries hybrid vehicles.
How can you say they are not NiMH?
Am I looking at the incorrect website?
http://www.notabattery.com
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Location: CENTRAL WISCONSIN | sworrall - 6/28/2006 8:03 PM
What would you say to a energy source that would power anything now powered by AA cell batteries, replacing thousands of batteries with one package of hydrogen energy cells?
Not any mention at all on the website about hydrogen energy cells either....
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Location: CENTRAL WISCONSIN | Steve- not trying to run a negative campaign here....just want to know if these are really better than what I have now....NiMH rechargables. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The E-cell is a now federally recognized rechargeable hydrogen energy cell power source, not a NiMH battery. E-cell incorporates a newer technology that is second generation to the NiMH batteries. These are US government recognized as hydrogen fuel cells, do not overcharge, do not need to be charged in 'banks' or 'sets', and are advanced from the NiMH batteries out there. They do not overheat and lose discharge capacity permanently as a result. There is no fear of leaking or exploding if left permanently in a charger. Yes, the website needs updating, and that is in process which is why I mentioned that earlier in this thread. There's LOTS more coming from the E-cell folks, you haven't seen ANYTHING yet.
Imagine if you will a window screen, and each 'cell' of the screen represents a charged portion of the available hydrogen charged 'grid'. A fully charged E-cell will discharge a 'cell' at a time until fully discharged, holding full capacity for output until totally discharged. No dischage curves, not as much diminishing ability after each charge.
I'll add or correct more if necessary as I learn more about this product. |
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| when do they start selling trolling motor batteries??? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Good question, lambeau, I'm sure this group has the sport market targeted, we'll have to see what's in store. |
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| Called them the other day. They never called me back.
I called them again today. They are basically out of product, and said they are having supplier issues.
I am on the call list, and they will call me when they have what I am looking for. I just hope it's not too long, cause I'm headed up North in about 2 weeks.  |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I know where you can get a set if you are looking for double a, give me a call tomorrow at 9207233367. |
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Location: CENTRAL WISCONSIN | Thanks for clearing that up for me steve! I eagerly await the update of the website for new info, as i cannot wait to buy some of these to give them a try. always looking for the best to run my wireless world. gps, satelite radio, headlamp, digital camera, etc.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | OK, I finished the use tests I was doing, and here are the unscientific but accurate results:
In Sue's digital Camera---Duracell NiMH 2050 mAh, fully charged....27 pictures and 4 days in the camera, to dead; went dead trying to take a picture of a 41" muskie for a team during league. Camera has some sort of problem, will drain batteries when not in use.
In a standard bulb flashlight, 2 4VO 5 A bulb, 2 hours, 3 minutes--got very dim the last few minutes and finally faded out
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Sue's Camera/E-cell, full charge, 1500mAh---51 pictures and 11 days to dead ( that camera has some sort of very low draw all the time, I think) Went dead at last shot taken on the Goon.
Same flashlight---3 hours and 7 minutes--just plain went out like a switch was flipped, interesting and exactly as Matt described when I talked to him about how these things work.
I think they work as advertised. The new web property will be up soon; Stowmaster/E-cell for the outdoors Market. I'll post a link when it's ready to go. And, no, I am not anywhere near enough of a fishing personality to be an E-cell Pro, I just am easily fascinated by new technology. If they sell a milliion dollars worth of these things in the next week I make exactly.....let me add it up for the fellow over east of me here....zero.
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Location: Girdwood, Alaska | looks like a great new product, thanks for sharing it with us! |
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Location: Sun Prairie, WI | Hate to say it, but you have a problem with your camera, should be getting several times out of it than you have.
But the new ECELL looks very promising, can't wait. |
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| STEVE
PUT ME DOWN FOR ONE PACKAGE. EMAIL WHEN THEY ARE AVAILABLE AND I"LL DROP A CHECK IN THE MAIL...
THANKS,
STEVE |
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| I got a set of these early last week. I charges them up and put a pair in my digital camera that is notorious for draining standard batteries even when shut off. It ussually will burn out a pair in about 4 bays even if I do not take any pictures and leave it off! I put the Ecells in last Wendsday and have taken about 12 pictures with it and the battery indicator is showing 1/2 battery charge left. So far I am sold on thes and I will be getting more of them in different sizes. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Yup, I know Sue's camera has a problem eating up energy cells. Looks like a new D50 is in order! |
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| Got mine yesterday.
Charging bank, 8 AA's, 8 AAA's
Charged the AA's and put them in my camera and went on a shooting spree.
182 pictures later, and I still have 3 bars on the battery icon. When I coverd the FLW tourney, I had to change out my other rechargables during the middle of a day of shooting picures during the event. Usually 120 pictures or so.
Can't wait to put them in my daughter's electronic gizmos. I'm impressed as hell with them so far.
I even got better range with my walkie-talkies.
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