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| My coworker tells me that in the current issue of MHM Bucher is advocating figure eights after every single cast with no exceptions. I haven't read the article. Is that really what he said? I can't think of a bigger waste of time. I also don't remember him doing a figure 8 after every cast when I watch his show. I hope he didn't put himself in a box.
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| I would have to say that 1/2 of my fig 8 fish, were from blind follows, Do I do a fig 8 after each cast, NO but I do at least make a "L" or "C"
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I do the long L or C too, and have had pretty good success at hooking up on fish I had no idea were there.
Whether he does it every time or not, I don't think it's horrible advice, especially for those not well versed on seeing fish behind the bait. |
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Location: Pelican Lake/Three Lakes Chain | If you consider adding additional fish in the boat a waste of time, then yeah it is.
Every cast gets at the very least a big L turn at the boat, and most everyone gets a full 8. Every year I hook up with a few fish I never saw behind my bait before it hit. Many times a fish will be low and just out of sight and that first turn of the bait is a real trigger for them.
It is a good idea to do an 8 after every cast, it keeps your mechanics smooth, and will result in a couple bonus fish you never saw coming. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I'm with Steve on this one, I do a big L too after every cast and then go into an eight if there is a follower. Right on Norm it would be crazy to complain about potentially more fish in the boat.
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | 20 out of the last 24 fish have come on the 8.....
8 of them came from out of no where on the 3rd figure 8.
Last week I told my guys to figure 8 at least 4-5 times before they pull their baits out.....
1st 8, nothing, 2, 3, 4th....nothing. 5th time around got a 45, 43, 39 Never saw the fish
Last night, I had a guy figure 8 at least 3 times before pulling the baits out.....on the 3rd time, wham, never saw the fish follow, never saw the fish behind the bait.
YOU MUST DO IT, MUST. |
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| This is my biggest weakness. I get lazy and just do an L, sometimes I will figure 8 and sometimes I won't...
I've missed several fish by doing too few (or not any) figure 8's, and probably a lot more that I never even saw.
I often wonder how many fish you would catch if all you did was figure 8...
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Location: The Yahara Chain | esoxaddict - 5/23/2006
I often wonder how many fish you would catch if all you did was figure 8...
Anybody ever tried that? ;-)
Have you guys scene the show where Joe is demonstrating how he figure 8's his Top Raider and he catches a mid 40" Tiger. He drops his bait in water and starts an underwater 8 and nails the fish...classic. |
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Location: Pelican Lake/Three Lakes Chain | Addict,
Funny story....we were up at LOTW last year and Mike Roberts and John Stellflue were together in the boat. While they were moving into the shore to reclaim John's cast that hung on a rock Mike continued to do a figure eight the entire time. Guess what the result was. You got it, a fish hit and was landed, never a cast thrown.
Blind figure eights......Joe was right on! |
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| Ok --Order everyone a back brace and 55 gallons of Ben-Gay ! Just Kiddin -- A certain oldtimer has ridden me hard for my 8 foot rod , and I"m sure I'll hear it some more when I purchase a 8 and 1/2 footer next time --BUT dang -- sure is easier doing those L's and 8's with a long rod , esp from the front of the boat where I fish. AND in the clear water I fish you don't have to sling your guts out to make a nice long cast (I think this is underrated when fishing lake trout waters) . Moral of story --- buy long rods , be mentally and physically tough enough to do at least a L at the end of every cast. Watch several feet behind the lure , anyone can see a hot follow. and do those 8's ! ManitouDan |
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| I guess I am little surprised at how many guys do figure eights without seeing a fish. I would rather get off 25-100 more casts per outing than just hope that there was a fish 50 yards behind my bait on the previous cast. I do the L turn and understand that logic completely.
My brother in-law caught a fish in my boat doing a figure eight in a narrow channel without ever making a cast, but I am not about to stop casting and just stick my rod in the water and do figure eights all day.
I am going to go out on a limb and say the bonus fish I never saw coming will come on the extra casts I get off throughout the course of the whole season.
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | I think if I would discipline myself to figure 8 more after each and every cast, that it would result in more fish in the boat. But all that I normally do is an L or half an 8 unless I see something.
Funny thing, I was more disciplined when I first started musky fishing. My first year chasing muskies was in 1990. After learning a number of things, including that doing a figure 8 after every cast was important, I was very disciplined at first. The first fish I caught was on a blind fiure 8. I never saw the fish and after about 4 or 5 8s, I had a nice 35" fish in the boat. For whatever reason, I quickly became undisciplined and don't do that anymore. In fact, it probably only took a couple of months to get in the bad habit of not doing a figure 8 after every cast.
When I look back at that and see a relatively clueless musky fisherman at the time in myself putting a fish in the boat like that, I wonder how many more fish I'd have if I did that more.
How many times have you pulled the bait out of the water only to have a fish explode on the surface going after your bait or suddenly appear as you're making that next cast. Would you have boated that fish if you would have done a few figure 8s?
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Location: Chicago, Beverly | Every cast, no "L's" or "J's" allowed in my boat..... have seen far too many Musky caught on fig 8's not to..... We had a low 40's fish under the boat this weekend using the boat for cover I guess..LOL... never saw it follow a bait in... but during one fig 8 it just kinda came slowly from under the boat, glanced at the bait and went on its way... No fig 8 and may have never seen that fish at all... Almost forgot, I fish with a guy who refuses to listen to me about doing 8's, he only does a quick "L" and makes next cast... I make more casts then him in a day and have caught more fish then him when fishing with him...
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| this subject again? Wow.... L is a must obviously......8 with out seeing a fish is a waste of time in my book .....someone wrote this year.. "You might kill a deer by shooting in the woods every five minutes as well ...but you probably have a better chance of hitting it if you see it first?" ..CLASSIC - Guess I am weird (or maybe have x-ray vision) but of the over 200 muskies I have caught in the last three years I have NEVER caught ONE I didn't see coming....what are people looking at? ducks flying around while they fish?
There are times to do blind figure 8's for sure .....but after every cast? I have fished with some "big names" none go around on full 8's "for practice"
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| Justin I agree, as I am of the Doug Johnson school of thought...you get more fish with the extra casts than you do with blind figure 8's. I don't like to do anything blindly...I prefer thought and concentration. Also it may depend on what type of water you fish. Webster for example has a ton of fish in it, so your blind figure 8 is as good as cast...other lakes with less density it may not be such an efficent way..to each there own, but I would go crazy figure 8ing after every cast...3-5 8's without having seen a fish after each casts seems a bit odd...Ben |
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| Finally IAjustin and BenR agree with me I was starting to think I was the only one not to do a figure eight after evry cast.
What's with Indiana man those fish must be dumb as rocks in MN when they get to the boat most of them get a little suspicious. Just ask anyone who has hit Mille Lacs in the last few years. Good luck getting one you do see on an 8. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | On Bucher's show "Fishing with Joe Bucher" he started the show by talking about the figure-8 and how he has used it and only it before because its action of the lure will get a fish's attention. He then proceded to show you how to do the figure-8 and he caught a 48"! He never once made a cast and just simply figure-8'd the whole time! I decided to give this a shot and we were fishing on my home lake and I was using a Gold Sparkle Bulldog and figure-8'd about 24-25 times and a 36" came out of nowhere and drilled it! Talk about excitement! The only problem with doing this is that you get tired after a few minutes from bending over! I'm thinking about getting an 11' foot rod to do it with! LOL JK
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| I agree that not doing blind 8's might allow for more casts and potentially more fish in the boat but it is common knowledge that doing eights puts more fish in the boat. Everyone gets excited when they have a hot follow and the fish hits on the 8 or L but is evern more exciting to be doing an 8 and have a fish fly out from nowhere and nail your bait. I guess what i am trying to say is that yeah you might get more casts in but i dont think that anything matches the excitement of nailing a fish on the 8 especially when you think that there isn't one there. I always do at least one figure 8 at the end of each cast. |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | I too do a direction change as the lure gets to the boat..wether its a "C" or an "L", it's something. I was taught that in stained or tainted water...always do an 8. |
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| Always an L. It's sort of a way to get into casting position and get the motion going. Though I must admit sometimes I have hurried into the cast without paying attention during the L and should have kept moving instead of pulling it out to cast again. Sometimes an 8 if I thought that I saw anything weird during the retrieve or a real follow.
I'm too freakin' old to do repetitious figure 8s after every cast. I fish gliders a lot, and they are a bit(h to figure 8 anyway.
I do more 8's depending on the lure. Throwing diving cranks I will start to rip the lure upward when the lure is nearing the boat. Then when I can see it, I start doing 8's and rip it up at the same time. Bucktails and spinnerbaits I figure 8 more than any other lures. Straight retrieve top waters too. But never on every cast, and never just for the sake of doing it. Unless Sworrall drags me around all day and I can't cast anymore. Then I just stand there and figure 8 so he doesn't think that I'm getting soft.
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| I tend to do more "blind figure eights" when I'm fishing a very specific spot. Say, for instance, I'm fishing a small reef with a handful of large boulders and other key fish holding nuances. Since I'm concentrating more on the spot versus fan casting a weedbed or something, I will do the extra 8 with the thinking that there's a higher percentage a fish will come off the spot-on-the-spot. If I'm covering a stump field or large weedbed I'll typically just chuck-and-wind, do an L or C and fire another cast. IMO, its just a more efficient way of covering water.
Also, I find that baits like cranks, Bulldawgs, etc. where you bring the bait up the water column may need an extra 8 or two to trigger deep following fish. On spinnerbaits, bucktails, topwaters, etc. I think a MAJORITY of fish will be visibly following. In that case it's more important to employ triggering mechanisms out and away from the boat.
I think more emphasis should be placed on things to do during the retrieve that could trip a fish's trigger than blind figure 8s. But, that's a topic for another discussion. Just my .02 cents. |
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| Obviously if you never figure eight blind, you're pretty unlikely to have ever caught a muskie without having seeing it first. Everyone has their own experiences, but if you fish a lot and have never seen a muskie come out of nowhere and swing and miss your bait as you're trying to get that next cast off, then the question is what are you looking at? I've seen a good number of big muskies missed because there was no swing and turn of the rod tip at boatside. Many of which were "Big Names". Regardless, when those guys have caught hundreds of muskies it's understandable that some of them might get the "Doug Johnson" syndrome and quit doing figure eights all the time. But I assure you that most of the real "Big Names", including Doug, didn't get where they are now by not starting out figure-8ing all the time. Which is more the point of this site as an educational tool to teach us Non-Big Names how to maximize our efforts on the water, which in my opinion includes regular figure-8's. One day when we all have over a hundred days a season on prime water we can care less about the extra 15-25 fish a year, including the occassional jaw snapping fourty pounder I once watched a bait pulled away from because of a little glare, that might have been caught had one wasted that extra effort. My thought would be, don't say something doesn't work or is a waste of time if you haven't actually spent a considerable amount of time doing it yourself to know that it doesn't work or isn't a waste of time. If you can say "My first ___ years of fishing I figure-8ed all the time, then I stopped and focused on getting more casts in each day on the water and for the past ____ years my catch percentage has gone up ___%" great, otherwise all you have is completely unsubstantiated personal doubt, that your giving as sound advice.
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I apologize if this comes off as negative or is perceived as attacking anyone, I just very much dislike it when people degrade someone's opinion on a tactic, that isn't a straight forward obvious situation like any aspect of muskie fishing, when they have little to no experience with said tactic.
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Location: Fishing the weeds | I do an 8 after every cast. I had a client this past weekend miss a nice fish because he thought it was a waste of time. Lesson learned (Hopefully)! Pat |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | If you do not do one complete figure 8 plan on NOT seeing a bunch of big fish that would have showed themselves if only you would have done a complete figure 8.
It is a must and is NOT a waste of time. By not doing it you are not a very efficient and effective fisherman |
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| Mike, I am curious as to how many figure eight fish you catch in Minnesota and if you do 5 figure eights all summer long. I assume this is just an Indiana thing.
Fishwizard, do you keep statistics of every cast and every figure eight you have ever done. Most guys myself included have been doing this for at least 15+ years and don't really feel the need to bore everyone with a spread sheet involving the number of fish we have caught on a figure eight as a percentage of fish that have followed nor do we waste time keeping track of the numbers anyway.
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | Lots of fish on the 8 in MN, and no it is NOT an Indiana thing.
You SIMPLY NEED TO DO A COMPLETE FIGURE 8 EVERY CAST, no matter where you are at. |
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| Mille Lacs last October.Post frontal, blue bird day.Fish follows and goes under the boat."Low 40's" is my reply.I continue to to an 8, and A fish comes out from under the boat on the 3rd pass and is right on the Slammer 10" Deep Minnow.Different fish though.Fish cuts the bait off on a turn and eats it by the head.53"X25".Fittante is doing the replica.More than 1/2 of my fish last season were on the 8, several from Mille Lacs.Ya never know.If I see the fish, I do a hard "L".Right/left turn Clyde.Get the bait close and a hard/fast direction change.I see a lot of "L"'s that become banannas.Too soft and rounded.Trigger them NOW!!!!!Just my 2 cents. Steve |
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Location: Greenfield, WI | I do a "figure comma" at minimum, when I don't see a follow. I usually try to have a change of direction vertically as well such as having a crankbait or jerkbait rise at a few feet out from boat, just before I do my "figure comma, L, or official 8". I have caught enough fish that came out from under the Tuffy or vertical on the bait rise to make it well worth the effort. |
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| Last year I was fishing an IL lake that was extremely clear, and I was thinking to myself "is this a waste of time? I can see the bait from a long way off-why fig 8?" Just then a huge musky swam from under the boat and followed my 8! This was the biggest fish I have ever seen! Lesson learned. |
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| DJS, no I don't keep statistics of every fish I catch or have follow anymore. I used to many years ago when I first started fishing in an attempt to try and establish patterns in muskie behavior. I still have a pretty good idea of how many fish I catch a year. My point was that too often people give their opinions on a pattern or tactic in the form of a statistic where their sample size is a couple to a dozen muskies, which in terms of how "muskies" act means very little. Of course as a factor of our society everyone wants to sound like they know what they're doing and talking about. So often then those opinions are put out there in a fashion which makes them sound as though they're scientific fact. As in this situation where individuals were giving their opinion on a tactic that they themselves had never really put any time or effort into and trying to convince others, I can only assume of which included less experienced fisherman who are trying to learn and don't know any better, that this tactic is a waste of time. I'm not saying you can't give a contrary opinion on topics on here, in fact it's what makes this site and every other very useful, but what I really dislike seeing is someone saying that the actions of others is wrong or doesn't make sense without any reason other than the completely uncertain and speculative answer that it seems like casting 50-100 times more a day should be more productive.
If one's goal is to get the absolute maximum number of casts in per day in order to maximize their success I hope they do nothing but burn bucktails and eat and drink intravenously all day long. It's one thing to say "I used to do something and then figured out it doesn't really work and have tried something else that works better". It's another to say "What you do is a waste of time, I do this, but unfortunately I have nothing in any similarity to proof or justification on why what I do is better other than because I said so".
That being said I think it this is an excellent question and like hearing the various experiences out there. I know that everyone's experiences are unique and something can be learned from each and every one. On the contrary everything can not be learned from each individual experience.
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| Steve Jonesi - 5/24/2006 9:40 AM
Mille Lacs last October.Post frontal, blue bird day.Fish follows and goes under the boat."Low 40's" is my reply.I continue to to an 8, and A fish comes out from under the boat on the 3rd pass and is right on the Slammer 10" Deep Minnow.Different fish though.Fish cuts the bait off on a turn and eats it by the head.53"X25".Fittante is doing the replica.More than 1/2 of my fish last season were on the 8, several from Mille Lacs.Ya never know.If I see the fish, I do a hard "L".Right/left turn Clyde.Get the bait close and a hard/fast direction change.I see a lot of "L"'s that become banannas.Too soft and rounded.Trigger them NOW!!!!!Just my 2 cents. Steve
But the question was do you figure 8 after every cast? ( you don't  ) neither does Doug Johnson, Bob M. and many other Great muskie fisherman ...if you are not paying attention to you lure blind 8 - if you saw a fish in the last few casts - blind 8 ...heck if your a beginner blind 8 it takes awhile to see shadows and flashes of fish. I would say over the last 5 years 25% of my fish have come on the 8 - it is my favorite way to catch them
PS ...IF YOUR FORGET YOUR POLORIZED SUNGLASSES>>>DO SOME BLIND 8's 
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Location: north central wisconsin | I do them after follows, when I think there was a follow, in high percentage areas, and after dark. otherwise waste of time for me and a big l or c gets the nod, very extended L. Now, to say that one should do them everywhere every cast is ridiculous. I am a river fisherman, and would miss so many spots and cast opportunities if I did a figure 8 after every cast on a river that fish rarely ever hit them. there are definately waters that the 8 is more effective too, and some that the 8 is useless most of the time. It is very lake/river specific for sure. |
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| IAJustin,
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it sounds like your saying "Bob M, Doug J, and most great muskie fishermen don't figure-8 unless absolutely necessary. So if you want to be like or learn to be as good a fishermen as them, then you shouldn't bother figure-8ing on every cast." If this is not what you mean then I'm sorry but need more explanation on what you're trying to get across. If that is what you mean, then my comment would be that you need to take a bigger perspective on these "Greats" and what they've done to get to the point of how they fish now and that it does not necessaraly apply to what most people out there should do. From my observation and knowledge, limited as it may be but to take Doug as an example since you've designated him as a reasoning to do things, he doesn't figure-8 anymore because he's seen and done about all there is to do on the Angle when it comes to muskies and he still wants to go out and catch muskies everyday, but would like to do it with as little as effort as he can get away with. Doug is a GREAT fisherman and has caught more fish than I could ever dream about, but day to day he's no longer pushing himself to maximize his efforts to take advantage of every opportunity. Why? Because his body won't really let him do it anymore, and he knows that well, the next day, all season long mind you, he'll get up and try it again. Most of the guys on this site do not have that possibility. Many of us have to take full advantage of the very limited time that we do have. There is also the perspective that, yes Doug doesn't put a lot of effort into follows especially blind one's, but he does work areas extremely slowly and methodically very often working back over spots multiple times. The effect is not much different than blind figure-8ing and giving cautious fish many opportunities to commit to your bait. His tactic might be different although still effective to the same goal, but if you don't look at the whole picture of how and why then you are not getting everything out of the priveledge to fish with these guys that you could be, in my opinion. Many people don't look past what they can directly see.
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| My point was simple: " You must figure 8 after every cast" to me and some others this is an overstatement!
Some waters, conditions, ect.. blind 8's have a place...no question...SOME DONT ......some guys that fish very clear water catch 50 fish a year and never boat ANY on an 8 much less a blind 8 - should they be doing blind 8's ?
Mr. Johnson is a Great fisherman but I have heard him say many times .....he believes BLIND 8's on lake of the woods are a waste of time...... I think this lake may be the best 8 lake in the world? (watched Mr. Johnson put two in the boat one day 3 or four years ago cause he SAW the fish coming) ...... Some weeks 80% of the fish in the boat are on 8's ..As for me having spent over 90 days on the water last year on LOTW and at least a week the last 5 years...I concur with Mr. Johnson always do an L be ready -if nothing is behind your bait ...throw another cast
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Location: Greenfield, WI | I have yet to catch a muskie while my bait was in the air, although one little guy did his best to change that claim, anything that keeps the bait in the water a little bit longer and takes mere seconds works for me. There are a million things that can go wrong in musky fishing, and that fish of a lifetime only comes once, so one little bit of "8", comma, "L', circle, or bait rise at the boat is worth the effort even if it means only one fish every once in a while.
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Location: Eagan, MN | Just to piggyback on what Justin was saying, I've heard Doug Johnson say the same thing, he's tried blind figure eights a lot, and had a lot of clients who do them religiously, but he's never had a fish caught in his boat on a blind figure eight. It's not about working hard, he says the odds are just better with a new cast to a new a spot. Kind of put it in perspective for me. Here in the twin cities it's relatively easy to get follows, not real easy to convert them, and I ask myself do I really want to blind figure 8 for fish that are even lazier than the ones that show up on time? |
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Location: WESTERN WI | Figure Eights are standard protocol after every cast. I will admit after a long weekend they turn in to a large "L" or "C". I usually have trouble consistently figure 8ing "walk the dog" style baits. What are some techniques that have been succesful to end the retreive for "walk the dog" style baits? I have heard of pauses, diving 8, continue "walk dog" action around boat. Any other suggestions?
I did lose two 40"-45" fish last year due to failure to figure 8. I had the bait (bucktail) fouled with a large amount of weeds during the beginning of retreive. I sped up retreive and as soon as the blade left the water as I picked up bait to clean it a nice tiger swiped behind the bait actually grabbing the weeds and tearing them off the bait. Still haunts me sometimes. 2nd time was a fouled jackpot. A high speed retreive to get bait in and remove weeds was in order. As soon as the bait left water the fish went Airborne after the jackpot and weeds. Missed hooks unfortunately but not the side of the boat.
SO DO YOU FIGURE EIGHT FOULED/SEMI-FOULED BAITS? I would never have thought of doing prior to last year, but if the action of the bait is not severely impaired I still do one complete eight.
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Location: WESTERN WI | To reinforce the 8's at night 3-4 after every retreive at night has been 1/2 of myfish at night the past 3 years. I beleive it gives the lethargic fish a chance to wake up and get a easy meal.
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Location: Minneapolis | As you well know, DJS, I do NOT do a full 8 after every cast. I prefer to get in more casts and save my back and fig 8s for following fish. I do some sort of direction change at the boat after every cast, but only do a full 8 when I see a fish, it's night, or some other reason leads me to believe it may be worthwhile. And yes, I have caught fish on blind 8s, so I know it's not a total waste of time.
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Location: Wausau | Great points from guys who could figure 8 in their sleep...
For me the 8 is more of a mental challenge to help me be prepared when I do see a follow. Being ready to perform the 8 is important so you don't freak out when a big fish is at boat side.
PREPREATION!
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| I suspect Mr. IAjustin-what-ever is a better stick than me. Much better. Regardless, while we're still young and our backs can manage the load, do yer 8's, mu-fu's. I doubt you'll regret it. I do fewer round-and-rounds than I used to, but still, never just an L, unless in clear water and less than 6' or so. If nothing else, have your big-wide turns down perfect come dark.
And I don't know why folks who talk nightime boatside fish on 8's don't also talk about drag settings. My boatside fish get a ways away by drag, and if necessary, I give 'em some more thumbed freespool, and then I bring them back. All 3-4 per year.
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| "IAJustin" I heard him say. I believe him. Check the fish he's holdin', that's real stuff.
Back to the original post and the question therein, "I can't think of a bigger waste of time."
You should maybe ask folks, "What amazing fish have you hooked on an 8 and what were the conditions?" and then assume relative waste of time. My suggestion is to sQwirell the waters until you feel confident to back down to the pace of IAJustin and others who know better than you or me.
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| Ranger - 5/26/2006 12:06 AM
"IAJustin" I heard him say. I believe him. Check the fish he's holdin', that's real stuff
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Location: Black Creek, WI | I don't understand the idea of PRACTICING the Figure8.
In my opinion the power of the figure8 is having the ability to READ the fish and adjust accordingly. Every fish is different... and so should your Figure8 routine. Not sure how you can "practice" that without a fish in pursuit.
Put me in the "L" group. Blind 8's are a poor investment of time and energy.... in my opinion of course. |
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Location: Eagan, MN | I don't know why this thread had to take a negative turn, it's not like we're talking about world records, WI stocking, flourocarbon leaders or vertical holds! MF has always been a place to exchange ideas. No need to get salty just because someone's techniques differ from your's. I'm sure results vary on different waters anyway. Just go with what gives you confidence and success. |
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