The Five Bait Rule
Muskydr
Posted 3/28/2006 6:06 PM (#184615)
Subject: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 686


Location: Tomahawk, Wisconsin
A guy that I work with has a twelve year old son that is really primed to get into muskie fishing. The question that he posed to me the other day was; what are the five baits that I should buy for my son to get him going on this musky fishing gig? Hmmm, so I sat there for a bit and came up with five all arounders, if this question were asked of you what would you suggest???? Limit of five and cover your bases!!
BrianSwenson
Posted 3/28/2006 6:19 PM (#184617 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule





Posts: 201


Location: Stevens Point
1) Single colorado blade maraboutail
2) Dark colored topraider
3) unweighted suick
4) regular bulldawg orange tail
5) 8" jake
AWH
Posted 3/28/2006 6:22 PM (#184618 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule





Posts: 1243


Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN
My answer would be different than if he were asking which 5 lures I would choose for myself. When looking at a 12 year old that's new to musky fishing, I would keep it simple. Spinnerbait, medium sized bucktail, Depth Raider, prop style top water like a Top Raider and a Suick. But my answer might also be different depending on how much fishing this 12 year old has done in the past.

Aaron

Edited by AWH 3/28/2006 6:22 PM
Pointerpride102
Posted 3/28/2006 6:23 PM (#184619 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule





Posts: 16632


Location: The desert
1) Maraboo bucktail
2) Jake
3) Manta
4) Buldawg
5) Topwater of some sort- weagle, topraider
Sponge
Posted 3/28/2006 6:27 PM (#184620 - in reply to #184615)
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Edited by Sponge 8/23/2006 9:42 AM
bnelson
Posted 3/28/2006 6:35 PM (#184623 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule


I'd keep the baits to 5 that ride fairly high in the water...last thing you want is for him to get frustrated with lots o' weeds on his bait

I"d go with in no particular order
Lee's Chopper
Mepps Marabou bucktail
Hellhound, easy to work!
Large minnow bait like a big Slammer
Depthraider or maybe regular dawg for when he is out on rocks or suspendo's
BrianSwenson
Posted 3/28/2006 6:39 PM (#184624 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule





Posts: 201


Location: Stevens Point
A CREEPER was the first bait in my box and the first bait I caught a fish on, but I figured a topraider was slightly more versatile, it would be in my ten bait recomendation for reasons as mentioned by Sponge.
Schuler
Posted 3/28/2006 6:43 PM (#184625 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule





Posts: 1462


Location: Davenport, IA
To keep it simple and catch fish:
1. Mepps Muske Killer
2. 4.5" P-Ron-Ah
3. Crane 207
4. Triple D
5. Topraider

All those baits are great fish catchers and very easy to use. None of them are too expensive either (topraider is the most at around $20)
ulbian
Posted 3/28/2006 6:46 PM (#184627 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 1168


If the kid wants to get into it that bad what the hell...I'd suggest..
1. Creepenstein
2. Wishmaster
3. 14 inch Jake
4. Pounder Bulldawg
5. 18 Inch Musky Snax

...or maybe not...
dward
Posted 3/28/2006 7:18 PM (#184638 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 576


Location: Germantown, WI
i would go w/ the following
1- bulldog
2-mepps giant killer
3-6 or 8" jake
4-rad dog spinnerbait
5-topwater that pushes alot of water- i like snowcrest's bullseye
6- manta or phantom-both very easy to use



Edited by dward 3/28/2006 7:20 PM
Slamr
Posted 3/28/2006 7:46 PM (#184642 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule





Posts: 7106


Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs
I love this question....

For me:
-9"weighted suick (black sucker)
-topraider (black)
-10" jake (tennessee shad)
-perka (perch)
-rad dog or violent strike spinnerbait

For the kid:
-topraider
-violent strike/rad dog
-mepps double tailed musky killer or mariboo
-8" believer
-depthraider
(all catch fish, just very little work to them)
sorenson
Posted 3/28/2006 8:26 PM (#184647 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule





Posts: 1764


Location: Ogden, Ut
1-Snowcrest Bullseye
2-Blue Fox musky bucktail or Mepps Maribou
3-Nessa crank
4-Suick or Bobbie
5-8" Believer

Admittedly, it cheats a bit toward shallower applications, but is a 12 year-old going to be fishing the abyss anyway? Easy to spot following fish w/ these and most are easy to figure 8.
S.
MuskieMike
Posted 3/28/2006 8:48 PM (#184649 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule





Location: Des Moines IA
Loon top raider
Grn Bomber Long A Mag
Slv/blk bucktail
sunburst DDD
reg blk/org bulldawg

Edited by MuskieMike 3/28/2006 8:49 PM
esox69
Posted 3/28/2006 9:20 PM (#184652 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 802


for the son...
1. perch bobbie bait
2. blk/wht, silver blade rizzo wiz
3. 7" pacemaker, org.chart. lace
4. std shallow bulldog, walleye
5. 8" sucker phantom glider
C_Nelson
Posted 3/28/2006 9:25 PM (#184655 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule





Posts: 578


Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI
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Edited by C_Nelson 6/7/2008 2:37 PM
joe m
Posted 3/28/2006 9:47 PM (#184661 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 330


Location: Pittsburgh, pa
I would get the following:

1) bucktail
2) hellhound
3) Suick
4) spinnerbait
5) 5 1/2" Wiley

muskihntr
Posted 3/28/2006 9:58 PM (#184663 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 2037


Location: lansing, il
i have a 12 year old, he has been musky fishing for about 3 years now hes able to work these very well....

mepps maribou
reg dawg
hellhound or a (small) manta
topwater prop bait
8" jake


Edited by muskihntr 3/29/2006 7:28 AM
sworrall
Posted 3/28/2006 11:28 PM (#184666 - in reply to #184663)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule





Posts: 32954


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
I raised a couple Muskie anglers. At 12, there's a few backlashes and fubars to deal with. Keep the lures effective but easy to use. There's other combos, but at near midnight on a Tuesday, this will work.

Spinnerbait
Topper Stopper
Top Raider
Mid Size bucktail
Slammer crank or Nessa
jacorn
Posted 3/28/2006 11:32 PM (#184667 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 91


If I know Doc Jonesi his list went something like this -
1,2 &3 were bulldawgs, 4 a weagle, 5 a boogerman! LOL
my list would be:
1 Mepps marabou
2 a Jake, Shallow Raider, or Crane
3 Top Raider
4 Baby Depth Raider
5 One of Logans Beetle Spins!!

Edited by jacorn 3/28/2006 11:33 PM
BenR
Posted 3/29/2006 3:40 AM (#184670 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule


I would suggest
1.black bucktail silver blade
2.firetiger twitch bait
3.prop topwater
4.suick or bobbie
5.bulldawg
MikeHulbert
Posted 3/29/2006 7:06 AM (#184679 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule





Posts: 2427


Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana
I have taken a few kids out.

MOST cases, twitching or jerking is out of the question....

I would go with these 4

Grim Reaper Spinnerbait (1.75 oz)
Pacemaker
KDC Fast Blade due to the fact that the blades turn so dang easy!
9 inch Bulldawg
Troyz.
Posted 3/29/2006 7:27 AM (#184680 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 734


Location: Watertown, MN
Since my boy just turn 10

1-Lee's Water Chopper, or TopRaider
2-6" Walleye Reef Hawg
3-Medium Walleye Bulldawg
4-Chart/ Blk/Chart Mepps Marabou
5-10" Jake for trolling. Casting 8" Jntd Believer

Troyz
CiscoKid
Posted 3/29/2006 7:55 AM (#184687 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule





Posts: 1906


Location: Oconto Falls, WI
With a 12 year old in mind:

1) Black/Nickel Mepps Giant Killer (if you can find the old black with white blade that would take precedence)
2) black Hawg Wobbler
3) Crane (partial to brown/white)
4) As much as I hate them, Spinnerbait of some sort - something pike will also chew up to keep them interested
5) 6" Exude Mister Twister Shad tails with a jig head to fit. The kid will also catch bass, walleyes, and pike on this baby!
THE FERD
Posted 3/29/2006 8:03 AM (#184688 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 208


Location: North East PA , 20 mins from Chautauqua
1.vibrax #5 bucktail
2. Top Raider
3. 9 " suick
4. 9" Manta
5. reg Bulldawg

That should get hin started one bait from each of the major food groups !

THE FERD
nwild
Posted 3/29/2006 8:09 AM (#184690 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule





Posts: 1996


Location: Pelican Lake/Three Lakes Chain
Wow, I'm glad alot of you weren't my dad when I was starting out. It takes some time before you can chuck those big baits.

My starter package would include the following;

1.Mepps Musky Killer-pike will smash this too
2.Top Raider
3.Baby Shallow Raider-works great twitched or straight retrieved.
4.Spring Dawg - Easy to cast, works great on pike too
5.Spinner Bait, Slopmaster, Grinder, or Ace

When choosing baits for beginners you have to remember that sometimes for them boating a pike is better than just washing baits. Keep the baits musky sized, but the smaller versions to encourage multi species action.
Dewey
Posted 3/29/2006 8:43 AM (#184694 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule


There will be an article in the May issue of Muskies, Inc. magazine that addresses this situation. It will mention 6 lures.
rpike
Posted 3/29/2006 8:58 AM (#184697 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 291


Location: Minneapolis
Easy to use and attractive to multi-species is the order of the day:
1. Top raider
2. Rad dog spinnerbait
3. 8" believer, good for trolling and casting
4. medium sized, willow leaf bucktail, like a Harasser. Might as well go with the traditional black and silver.
5. DDD, it's much easier to retrieve than a depth raider
The Mighty Oak Leaf
Posted 3/29/2006 9:33 AM (#184700 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 295


Location: mad chain
1. big joe
2. grandma
3. lee lure chopper
4. spinner bait
5. d-raider
Gander Mt Guide
Posted 3/29/2006 10:19 AM (#184705 - in reply to #184700)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule





Posts: 2515


Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI
1) Large B/Nickel Rizzo Whiz/Slippery Sam/Musky Killer
2) Crane/Slammer/Big Game Tackle 6-8" twitcher...walleye or brown and white
3) Depth Raider/DDD/Ernie/Molly, dark patterned.
4) Prop Top Water, black
5) Slop Master, perch
djwilliams
Posted 3/29/2006 11:31 AM (#184711 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 793


Location: Ames, Iowa
Right on Norm. My 14 yr old's been at it a couple years, and now my 11 yr old wants to get started. The 11 year old inherited the 4601 C3 from the older one, who moved up to a 5601.
Smaller, lighter rods to throw smaller baits on smaller reels for smaller hands. If my guys get into a bunch of northerns they'll be just as happy. My 11 yr old loves throwing spinnerbaits.
My 14 year old's 5 fav baits are a white/nickel Musky Killer, blk/org Slammer Topwater, 5/8 oz hammered nickel spoon, 7 inch Slammer crankbait in walleye, 6 inch black Bulldawg. None too tiring.
Don
Muskydr
Posted 3/29/2006 6:03 PM (#184752 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 686


Location: Tomahawk, Wisconsin
Thanks much everyone!! I showed this post to my buddy at work and his eyes lit up when he saw all of the responses, lots of information, hopefully he or his son will start to post on here shortly and join in our musky banter!!!! Dave Jonesi
Rockin' SV
Posted 3/29/2006 9:22 PM (#184779 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 425


Location: Elkhart, IN
They can easily handle it at that age, my son just turned 9 and was using the 6500c5 reels. He caught seven last year with four of them coming on a Weagle. Here's his biggest which was on a Weagle at 41"

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Rockin' SV
Posted 3/29/2006 9:29 PM (#184780 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 425


Location: Elkhart, IN
Oops, forgot to add
1. Ghosttail Original/Mepps Musky Killer
2. Raddog
3. Shallow Raider
4. Top Raider
5. Weagle
muskynightmare
Posted 3/29/2006 10:52 PM (#184788 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule





Posts: 2112


Location: The Sportsman, home, or out on the water
First of all, I'm honored that someone metioned the Nessa (thanx Sorenson).
I have introduced several kids, and newbies into the sport. Floatation/ slow sink rate is the key. "Profesionall Overruns" are common, as well as not syncronizing casts. So, without naming my own baits, here are my opinions:
1) Regular Manta (slow sink)
2) Shane West's Timberwolf Glider (a touch more difficult, but worth it)
3) 700 Bucher bucktail, or have Pewaukee Gerry make one or more up for you.
4) Doug Bradley's Bitten tackle Warlock (EXTREMELY easy glider)
5) some sort of floatin/ diving crank. there are a million good ones out there.

What also boosts confidence is having a bait painted up in the kid's favorite color scheme ( favorite team colors, school colors, etc.). The kid will have it "welded to his/ her line all day.
also, the more a kid can see how he/her is manipulating their lure is also important.

Rob
suick48
Posted 3/30/2006 8:34 PM (#184974 - in reply to #184615)
Subject: RE: The Five Bait Rule




Posts: 20


1) mepps musky marabou
2) mepps musky killer
3) super shad rap
4) reg. bulldawg
5) suick