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Location: Brookfield, WI | I'm not a hunter myself, but have enjoyed eating venison many times in my life. I'm wondering if the front page article in yesterday's Milwaukee JournalSentinal regarding the discovery that CWD infectious prions have been found in the muscle and not just the spine and brain of Kentucky Mule deer (apparently this would also apply to whitetail), will make some of you hunters think twice about eating the meat of the deer you harvest? Do you have your deer tested by the DNR if they were taken in the CWD zone? Will the DNR test deer taken outside the zone at a hunter's request? One researcher stated he would not eat venison that came from the infected areas whether it tested positive or not, as there are uncertainties about finding the disease in its early stages. It seems to me so little is known about the prions that cause diseases like Mad Cow, CWD, and CJD in humans (I won't attempt to spell or pronounce that one), that perhaps it might be better to err on the side of caution, even though researchers don't seem to know if, or how, CWD would jump species into human beings.
I find it interesting that the JS thought this was such a major story as to have it take up a good percentage of the front page. Does this anger hunters? Do you feel it's blown out of proportion considering that only .005% of the deer tested since 2002 have tested positive? Like I said, I don't hunt but have always enjoyed venison. I used to occasionally get chops and steaks from friends that hunt, but weren't big on eating wild game. This was, however, a number of years in the past. I was pretty good at preparing it too. Now I think I would want to know where the venison came from, and if it had been tested. Am I Grade A crazy, or are some of you guys that hunt, shoot, dress, etc. these animals starting to feel the same way? I know the extremely small chance that Mad Cow could possibly become a problem never stopped me from eating a 1.5 lb. porterhouse.
Not fishing related I know, but its obvious from posts during the deer season that a lot of you guys hunt. I've read a number of books about emerging diseases and highly infectious diseases like Ebola, malaria, small pox, polio, AIDS, etc. and this type of thing fascinates me in a morbid sort of way.
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | I'd say it would have no effect on mr at all. There is no indication that the CWD prion efects humans, at least none I've seen. CWD has been around out west for a very long time, and no cases of human infection have been reported. |
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Location: Lincolnshire, IL | Discussions regarding CWD always make me chuckle...let me explain..a few years back when it was first discovered in Wisconsin a buddy and I were having a discussion regarding CWD..he was lightly ranting and raving about how he would be very cautious to ever eat venison again..he felt that if the DNR or the FDA or whomever couldn't tell him with certainty that eating deer infected with the disease couldn't be passed to humans...well he was just going to pass..as he was saying this he was putting in another dip of Kodiak....I am confident...and I am no scientist..that over eating(not neccessarily venison), smoking, drinking, not wearing a seat belt etc, will take far more lives in the future than the consumption of venison.....  |
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | I hunt for the thrill and eat it without a problem.
I did get my sons deer tested when we registered it. It was free and they wanted the head for tests. I cut up all our deer myself. Testing would be smart if the deer looked sick or questionable.
This CWD has been around for a long time. The artical did make me think about the meat I have in the freezer.
I fact, I think it's time to grab out a back strap and get the grill going now. I'll be back..........Yummy.......Back straps GOOOOOOD!!!! |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Slamr
You're right. I just checked the website of the CDC, and it states that no connection between CWD and the similar human disease, Cruetzfeldt Jacob Disease, has ever been made. It does, however, state that the number of incidences of the disease that have been studied may be too small a sample to say there is no connection with absolute certainty. There is a definite connection between Mad Cow and and what is called Variant CJD. Wade is right though, Marlboro Lights and Canadian Club are about ten million times more likely to kill me. That being said, if I hunted, I would follow the suggestions of people in public health, and have any deer I shot in the infected areas tested. I definitely would not eat an infected animal just because there is no current evidence of cross species infection. Call me squeamish, I guess.
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| Considering the variety of chemicles I've injestered over the years, I'll eat Venison any day. Just point her out to me. Does she shoot pool? |
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Location: Wausau, Wisconsin | I didn't even finish reading the first post. If God didn't want us to eat deer, he wouldn't have made them out of meat! 1,000's of CWD deer have been eaten in Wyoming and other states. We're still going strong! I just finished the best burger of my life 2 minutes ago...venison. I call it the Incredible Stag Burger, if anyone wants the receipe let me know. My suggestion to you would be, buy a gun, take hunter's safety, and buy as many tags as you can and fill them! Nothing is better. I let muskies go all year long and it feels good whack deer afterwards! |
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Location: Pigeon Forge TN. | I live in Pennsylvania and so far we don't have any indication of CWD here yet. I agree with W. Wade.
8inchcrank,
I'd love that recipe you have for burger.
Rats, thinking about venison, I am headed for the freezer to get some steaks for the grill. |
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Location: Wausau, Wisconsin | I just like whackin' n' stackin', killin' n' grillin', givin' the buck a ride in the pick up truck, man, is it time yet? |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | What I was hoping to get was hunters' opinions on the fact that the JouranlSentinal felt this story worthy of being the #1 lead in a major metropolitan newspaper. If the #1 story would have been that Spray's fish was upheld, I'm sure there would have been plenty of people outraged or concerned. I know for a fact there are a hell of a lot more deer hunters than musky fisherman, and I thought some responses other than I love to eat venison might be interesting. 8InchCrank, I get it, you like to hunt. You like to eat what you kill. I sure have no problem with that. But answer one of my original questions if you will. If you shot a deer in a CWD area, would you have it tested? Or as far as your concerned is it all just bull$h!t?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I'm not a bit worried about CWD. SO far, there is no indication that the disease transfers to humans, so it's a non-story to me. The Milwaukee papers mishandled the original CWD story too, causing unwarranted near panic for many hunters and a pretty slim deer hunting season tourism dollar up Norht a few years back. It sells papers, I guess. |
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | I live on the edge of the CWD in Waukesha Co. I know plenty of familys that almost live on wild game. We have eaten our game for 20 years and hopefully will continue to do so for year to come.
The JS sells papers, bad news is good news for the papers. Out west the CWD has been around for as long as I have been. It's true deer around here do live in close quarters and yard up and hang together more than the open areas out west. I have a concern..............
Until proven bad I will continue to "kill em and grill em".
Back straps round two tonight on the grill, marinaded since last night. YUMMY>>........ |
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Location: Wausau, Wisconsin | Sorry, got excited. I did however answer your question. Bottom line, hundreds and hundreds of CWD animals have been consumed without anyone having any effects by it. I have had a deer tested, but only because the DNR asked me to as they were with everyone. Like Steve said, this is a non issue. Eat deer every day and enjoy the quality of fine meat without worries. Store bought beef is more dangerous in every aspect. |
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Location: Holly, MI | I was lucky enough to put 3 in the freezer this last fall. I like the thought of letting muskies go all year then taking it out on the deer! I watch, scout, talk to, stalk, etc the deer by me all year long I love them 52 weeks of the year. I also like to eat them 52 weeks of the year.
Where is that burger recipie?? |
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Location: Wausau, Wisconsin | OK, here is the receipe.
Corse ground 2 pounds of venison burger. Do not ruin by mixing with lesser animals.
Then hand mix one cup of shreaded mozzerela cheese (will add juice that beef usually adds)
Then dice one 1/2 med. sized white onion and mix in
Finally mix in 1 teaspoon onion powder, 1 teaspoon seasoning salt and one tablespoon of ground pepper.
Re-grind mix with medium holes
Mold into "bread sized" patty and grill with piece of chedar cheese
Place on butter grilled 12 grain whole wheat bread.
I prefer to add lettuce, ketchup, TARTAR SAUCE (light amount) AND EAT UP! |
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Location: Greenfield, WI | This front page article was done by the same paper that, a number of years ago, single handedly nearly killed (its own namesake) the Journal/Sentinel Sports Show by giving free papers to each exhibitor each day of the show with front page editorials against hunting! The result of that numbskull action was most all of the national hunting related companies stopped supporting the show. The show has slowly been coming back to being a hunting and fishing show again rather than a show highlighted by "doggie chews and belt buckles" that it had regressed to.
There could be hundreds (and there certainly are dozens) of studies that say that there would be no issues in eating venison that would not ever get any coverage. But ONE study claims a possibbility of a problem with eating venison and related hunting activities justify front page coverage (with glee) by the paper.
I would suggest a political agenda rather than a concern for people eating venison.
Edited by Steve Van Lieshout 1/29/2006 10:08 PM
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Steve
That's the kind of response I expected from hunters. Obviously, I feel that CWD is something to be considered when consuming deer meat. However, I found the front page location of the article surprising, and expected hunters that feel CWD is a non-issue to have some strong opinions. Mr. Worrall commented how initial CWD stories stopped some people from hunting, and if my livelihood depended partially on the money spent by hunters, I would have been more than a little upset that this was splashed on the front page. The article did not offer anything in the way of hunter response, and would have been more well rounded with some input from that side. That's why I asked my initial questions. I was not aware of the Sports Show debacle, though an incredibly stupid move by the JournalSentinal is by no means a rarity. A second newspaper option in a major metropolitan area would be nice. I know the paper's last few blurbs about the Louis Spray fiasco did not endear them to many of the guys that post on these boards.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I don't read that paper, but know that many of the folks in this industry see the publication as a bit off the mark at times, but in the case of the way they have handled the CWD issue they're WAY off the mark. |
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