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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | About 6 months ago, we brought up the idea of doing Product Reviews for baits, DVDs, etc. I talked to a large number of bait makers, gear distributers, and the such, and along with generous donations to the Kly Fund, a goodly number of things were brought in for review.
I have used (and in some cases abused) a large number of products that were sent in. Pictures were taken, and detailed notes logged on all of those products. I have thus far not been able to find the time/energy to write up a finished product that I deem acceptable as a written article format. I am putting myself on a schedule of writing one every other week, starting the end of this weekend. I am going to do my best to get these done, and am holding my editor responsible for keeping me on schedule. If anyone has sent product to us, and would like to inquire further on the status of their review, please contact me directly ([email protected] or 847/989-9271) and I would be more than happy to elaborate on the above. For those who might be upset with my slow speed in getting these things done, I apologize for not holding up my end of the bargain, thus far.
World Muskie Rankings
Though many of you might have come to the site since we announced our goal to create a "world muskie ranking" for all tournament angler, some of you may remember this announcement. However, this never came to pass, but for a quick explanation of what OutdoorsFIRST intenede, please see http://www.walleyefirst.com, and check on the World Walleye Rankings. The WWR is currently accepted by the Walleye Industry and a method for walleye tournament Pros to see their rankings amongst their peers.
What happened to the MUSKIE rankings? We had a number of set measures/requirement needed to create the World Walleye Rankings, which the Muskie Tournamnet world has yet to create.
-There is only one National Muskie Trail, the PMTT. Other trails certainly exist and are popular, but are strictly regional and not really compatible as a result. Most, until very recently if at all, did not keep sufficient data on all fish caught and were not able to provide us what we need to establish the rankings.
-'Teams' were frequently not the same from one tournament to another.
OutdoorsFIRST's World Walleye Rankings can be viewed here:
http://walleye.outdoorsfirst.com/rankings.asp
I hope both of these clear up any thoughts, questions, or whispers about what we did/are doing on these efforts. For more detailed explanations, please contact me directly at: [email protected] or via phone at 847/989-9271
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| I might also add that we are still working on a solution to create a valid muskie tournament ranking system, and have tested several different models. When you create something original it takes a bit longer than when you copy or mimic something already in existence.
Zach
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| Slamr , The only thing I see wrong with trying to develope a system is that the PMTT has only four tournaments. I understand that they are the only National circuit at this time and what you say makes sense. It is a start.
The sheer number of walleye tournaments compared to National Muskie tournaments is overwelming. The walleye tournaments ranking system gives a better true meaning to how a angler holds up against his or her peers. 4 tournaments per year to me is a far cry from being able to consider one guy better than the next.
I think the Musky world needs more than the PMTT to truely let the anglers know where they stack up against there peers. If the PMTT would be the only circuit there should be more tournaments.
I aplaud the work that all of you have done.
Keep up the good work.
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| Slamr, I have to agree with Rick that the sample size is just way too small. The PMTT lends itself to a huge local advantage which defeats the idea of a true WORLD ranking. For example, the local team that won the PMTT championship on Tonka had one of it's members prefishing the lake for something like nine consecutive days. No surprise they were able to find a few active fish and win the thing. I suggest not wasting your time until more tournaments are put into the rotation.
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| DJ , not trying to start an argument but I see nothing wrong with someone having friends or people helping find fish before the tournament. THis is done on many pro levels and species. It might not seem fair but it happens more often than we would ever know.
I don't now if musky fishing is ready yet for the big time? I hope I am wrong. To draw the best tournament fisherman a bigger purse than $20,000.00 needs to be found. Travel to and from tournaments cost alot of money. I don't know if the pro musky fisherman is ready to lay down the coin to enter a tournament that would pay out a larger purse?
My partner and I have decided to fish the Wisconsin trails due to the ROI.
We still seem to be ahead of the local bass fishing tournaments when it comes to actual purse per tournament. I hope this converts some of these fisherman to our sport over time. I still think the big hipe on bass fishing is the dream of some of these guys to be on saturday morning T.V.
Us tournament anglers all have the dream of being the best and cashing the big check. Call it ego or will to compete.
I'm just happy there are tournaments like the WMT, Pmtt, Iron Man and many more.
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| Rick, you saw what happened to the Simply Fishing Muskie Classic this year. Muskie fishing is obviously not ready for the big time. The biggest problem is getting sponsors to help offset the cost. I assume alot of companies aren't going to sponsor an angler when there is on average a %90 chance that he or she wil NOT catch a fish in a particular tournament.
Any ranking system would be much like the BCS anyway it that most won't agree with the rankings. | |
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Location: Watertown, MN | DJS
I don't see this huge advantage for local angler on the PMTT, How many time has Crash/Grant/ and Thomas finished high on the Cave, Eagle River always has a good number of local guides and it is always a non-local winning the tournament. Yes some local angler do well, but I think more often than not it is a non local angler that comes in and steels the the thunder. Yes my partner put about 9 days(most partial) prefishing I put in a few, but he saved his vacation for this. But we first started fishing Tonka a month before the championship, and we were running into all kinds other boats from all over the midwest that were already prefishing for the championship.
Good luck
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | DJS,
IF we are able to get the data set we need to put together a ranking system, it will be performance based and far more involved than just a running average. Look at this for an example, pretty easy to see why Mike Gofron is ranked number one: http://walleye.outdoorsfirst.com/rankings_fisherman.asp?fmid=8526&r...
It's pretty hard to argue or disagree with performance, if one doesn't catch any fish in competiton with one's peers, one doesn't rank well. As you can see, the OutdoorsFIRST Rankings are not just someone's opinion or a simple average | |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | My limited undestanding of the Bass tournament circuits is that there are local tournaments that roll up to regional tournaments that roll up to a national title. Some of the local tournaments cost only $20 to enter. Entry fees go up as you progress through the hirearchy. Why hasn't the muskie world taken on a similar model? | |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Look at the new In Fisherman PWT format implementing Regional and Super Pro circuits. One way to step up, while fishing one 'circuit'. | |
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Product Reviews? World Muskie Rankings?