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Location: Appleton,WI | Which would you rather buy at a show regular colors or custom colored baits?
Is the extra $2.00-$4.00 worth throwing a custom color? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I think it's the BUYING that is the most important function there...  Custom colors are harder to find, made in smaller numbers, and good old economics takes over. Short supply, high demand, and the bait sells for more money. |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | I agree w/ Steve, but would also like to add that if you find yourself more confident in a custom color, it is worth the extra $$$. If you're just buying it because it's of limited quantity and really don't even know if it will be better than a regular color, you'd probably be better served by saving the money.
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| I will pay the extra$ if it's a bait that I am going to use. I don't see the Madness in just purchasing Baits in colors to hang on the wall. I don't know if that custom color really makes a difference but I like to think it does. (something different on a pressured lake) |
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| i cannot see charging people extra for a custom color period.. i have been painting and making musky baits for 20 years and not once charged extra for a paint job.. so theres my 2 cents NEVER |
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| Personally, I would expect to pay extra for a custom color - for the simple reason that a guy who does this for a living can't afford to make too many custom baits. Once a guy gets away from his production schedule and into doing oddball work, his overhead is going to go through the roof. Somebody is going to have to eat the extra cost...and if he's to stay in business, it has to be the customer - if a guy is only making/selling 100 baits a year, it's not a big deal but...
there's MY 2 cents.
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Location: Chicago, Beverly | I can buy the regular colors all year round and many times for exact same price as was at the show... I want custom. I also like it when the manufactures occasionally switch up the show colors year to year... if same ones every year, no longer custom, not much point in going besides for seminars and the occasional new bait.. If a custom color has enough demand put it in regular lineup..rather then bringing only to the shows every year |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Gonna play devil's advocatte for a moment here...
How many of you think/feel the custom color baits will out-produce the standard lines?
I honestly think the custom baits are more for the fisherman than for the fish. If the fish is hungry, it's gonna eat whatever is currently available, and the correct trigger is applied to get the fish to commit.I
I think it might have been Dan Sura that stated "if it moves, it's food."
Don't get me wrong, though...those custom baits are really nice (like that new sucker paint job that has been posted here) and would be nice to have for display, but I am not "sold" on the idea that they will help you put more fish in the boat...
Steve
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Location: searchin for 50 | Just throw black colored baits and then you will never have to worry about custom colors. It is the confidence you have in the bait that you are throwing. I have a friend who basically throws a silver blade/black hair bucktail and catches a lot of fish on that particular color scheme. Custom colors catch fisherman not that many more fish . |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | color is soooooo over-rated and does a great job catching fish in jan, feb, mar and april at the shows ... oh, and give people bragging rights like i know this guy and i know that guy and this guy or that guy made me a special custom bait .... get in your boat and catch a fish will ya .... give me a hunk of wood that moves great anytime ....
sorry, but this just had to be said! |
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Location: Oregon | For me I would first buy the baits that I feel gave me the best chance of catching a fish. If those happen to be custom color fine, and if they happen to be a color that everyone had, that's fine too. As far as color being "over-rated" I do think that is true for the most part. However, I have two rivers I fish here in Oregon for steelhead. One is a "blue river" and blue lures out-fish everything else. The other, just 50 miles away, is pink, and pink will out-fish all colors by far. I have customers insist on certain color patterns and I think there is a reason for this.
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Location: Muskoka Ontario,Canada | I believe that making a bait appear more realistic with things such as general colouration and more importantly SHAPE can and does help anglers in clear or heavilly pressured waters.
That being said,I've had numerous strikes on my baits while they were just bare wood while testing them. The action can play a huge role in triggering fish. Some muskies won't care how fast or erratic the bait is moving...but others will only bother to chase down an easy meal that is just to tempting to pass up.
The musky that closes in on what it thought was "food" from a distance might turn off when the "food" doesn't look so edible up close. All predators learn what constitutes prey throughout their lives and they can afford to be pickier when they happen to be an apex predator. The musky can outrun anything it wants and therefore doesn't need to attack everything that moves...it can wait for something it "recognizes" as being worth the effort. Suckers for example are nice and fatty and have soft rayed fins so they are also easy to swallow.I'm sure that the musky learns this over time and knows what is and isn't a "Sucker" for example.
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Sounds like we will be into a debate about this...but
Are you suggesting that a muskie can "learn?" That it can acutally tell the difference in that a fish has spiny fins rather than soft fins? That it really can decipher the difference between a lure and a fish? Heck...we have deer that cannot tell the difference between a decoy or a real one (ever seen a buck attack a styrofoam target with antlers?)
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Location: Muskoka Ontario,Canada | I do believe that they do learn to an extent yes.
Now how much they can learn or apply that information no one knows.
Do fish remember that they just got caught and released for example? Do they forget instantly and just go after the same lure the very next cast because it triggered it to bite the first time... see where this is going?
Fish can remember some things and I believe that they learn and remeber what prey is easier to hunt and where to find it. Otherwise they would never survive if they were completely stupid. |
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Location: Holly, MI | I love custom colors. So what if they only catch the angler. I'm paying for them and I like 'em. As stated on pressured or clear waters, more natural might make a difference. I do agree that if a ski wants to eat it at that moment , it will not matter what color it is.
Long live the custom paint jobs! Keep up the good work out there guys. I love the realistic looking baits. |
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Location: The Sportsman, home, or out on the water | Custom colors is relative. Take for example a crank bait. If you do nothing but straight crank it, is a musky, or any other fish for that matter, be able to tell the difference because it's constantly moving? Now, if a bait has plently of hang time, like a well balanced glider, and you take advantage of the hang time, then highly detailed/ custom paint jobs would come into play.
Just my opinion. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | I like ordering custom colors to fill the needs that I sometimes cant fill in production colors. Such as great sucker colors in gliders....so....thanks Beav!
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| I love custom colors and so do the muskies especially in clear water systems. However, if muskies are active, you can catch them on a stick with hooks and action in general is much more important than color. That said, there are still times when color matters  |
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| I love custom colors. i love standard colors. i like one off mistake colors. i like 'em all.
i'm in the process of making lure storage hangers in my basement. let me tell you, I LOVE colors!!!
i have a serious problem, SERIOUS problem. when it's done, maybe i'll post a picture. |
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Location: The Sportsman, home, or out on the water | There is a man in the nursing home that i work at that maintains that this best bait in the world is a whittled carrot with a hook harness threaded through it. His roommate was also a muskyfisherman (one fished the Hayward area, the other fished Boulder Jct., Presque, Land o' Lakes Area). Those old guys almost came to blows a couple of times, arguing about colors, baits, locations, etc. It's awesome to listen to them talk. It's like "the Old Masters Of Muskyfishing" come to life!
Edited by muskynightmare 12/18/2005 11:33 PM
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Location: Pigeon Forge TN. | I believe both regular and custom colors have their place in catching the mighty musky as well as other fish.
But the big question is, exactly what does one refer too as a custom color when it comes to pricing ?
Example : A Manufacturer has a color line up that they produce on a regular basis, thus, regular colors. They add a new color to the line up and it is just that, a new color. But if they have a new color that they produce as an exclusive to one store or in a limited number than it is sometimes refered to as a custom color.
Than you have colors or patterns that are specificly designed or painted as per special request or are "personalized" for the buyer. There are also custom colors that use rare paints or paints with new technology that are quite exspensive. Then there are patterns with certain types of paint applied to certain parts of a lure to produce specific effects at specific times of the lures movement that has to work in good light and low light conditions.
Now you have extra quality to add to the lure to make the paint last as long as possible. Plus you add a replacement guarantee to the product .
It is very time consuming to produce certain types of custom work and quality and if the price reflected the work somtimes involved it would become un-affordable .
I don't think any one out here would work for less than min. wages as sometimes a painter does.
Custom work is like anything else you buy, no car has the same price, nor does a fishing rod, boat, reel, etc, etc.
Believe me, the custom painters money is hard earned.
And, YES, I paint to catch the eye of the musky hunter as well as the musky itself as the musky can't buy the lure to bite on in the first place.
Thanks to all, and Happy Holidays,
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724-932-5643
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| 3 years ago a custom painted shallowraider was out producing all other baits in camp , even other shallowraiders, I had 1 , outfished the guys in camp , had a great week. the bait was custom crappie, with silver sparkly glitter in the paint. my guess is it but out a great flash in the ultra clear water I fish. Last year could'nt move a fish on it. The bait did make a difference (my son, nephew, and wife caught their 1st ski's on it as I "rented" it out that year.) Stan nicely baited up 3-4 more different type lures that pattern for me but none had the magic of the special shallowraider. ManitouDan |
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Location: Chicago, Beverly | the second question: "Is the extra $2.00-$4.00 worth throwing a custom color?" yes.
Edited by kevin 12/19/2005 8:01 AM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Supply/demand= price customer is willing to pay
Customs are cool.
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| You know that my answer is going to be slanted a bit.
BTW, thanks, Slamr.
Every color that I do is a custom color, because it didn't come out of a machine or it wasn't made by simply placing a stencil over a piece of wood. No 2 lures will look exactly alike.
As Stan said, there are new paint products on the market that can give lures a look that you and the fish have never seen before. Trouble is, these products cost more that $20 an ounce! Any of you who have thrown my Chameleon colors know what I'm talking about. Does the price stop me from buying those paints? Hell no, I think the effects are incredible, but the lures cost a couple of bucks more just to cover the cost of the paint.
I've researched so many different things, because as many of you know, I'd like to do this full time and actually be able to sell my lures at the shows. But right now, I'm not in a position to tackle self-employment.
There are so many more lure choices now than there ever have been. It's a good thing for anyone who makes or paints lures that all muskie fisherpeople are a bit obsessive-compulsive. If we weren't, we'd all still be throwing Daredevils, Johnson Silver Minnows and bucktails and a couple other lures.
I believe that the new selections from basement bait makers as well as those who mass produce lures is a great thing for muskie fishermen everywhere. We all have different likes and dislikes in every facet of our lives. Things that are pleasing to our eyes, from dogs to spouses. The more choices that we have, the happier we are. This is America dammit! Land of free enterprise and free expression. I'm glad that I can express myself on a piece of carved wood and turn it into something that is both pleasing to the anglers eye and to the fish.
Is it worth extra money for custom colors and personalization? I say heck yes. I've always told people that my walleye and bass lures are just that, fishing lures. My muskie lures on the other hand are investments. They are valuable pieces of folk art. I value the mass produced ones less, and put the custom made or custom painted ones in a catagory of their own.
Like the HR's that I did for Slamr. They are not just your run-of-the-mill lures. I see them and get a good feeling about them, because there are no others like them, and I made them that way. I hope that he values them more than his other lures, because there is something special attached to those lures besides paint and Envirotex. A little bit of me went into those lures for a friend. The same goes for any lure that I've ever made or ever painted for anyone. I've never done a lure, "just for the hell of it". Each time I make or paint a lure, it might be "THE LURE" that somebody catches their first 50 on, or their personal best.
From a painters point of view, I say that custom colors are definitely worth the extra money.
But I'm biased, and not afraid to say so.
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | My thought is that if a pressured body of water sees all the standard firetigers, blacks,oranges, etc...why not show them something else? Can't hurt, could be a difference maker, especially in clear water.
Action makes the bait, but they have to see it too.
I love custom colors, makes all your buddies go "oooooo, where'd you get that??" |
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| I have Durst Custom that put fish in the boat on days where nothing else would. Others were fishing similar syle baits not a sniff. This year on the same waters minimum effect. I think a change in prey make up changes fish preference year on year.
Will I buy customs Yup - Do I need them Nope |
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| I'm a fan of custom painted baits. I enjoy throwing something that's just a bit different. In some cases I've found customs to outproduce stock colors. Some of this is lake specific. Overall will customs catch more fish than stock colors? I don't know for sure but it's part of the fun of musky fishing. Guys like Stan and Mike Gregg among others do great work. I also like the fact that a custom painted bait frequently has a bit more resistance to wear than stock colors. I don't totally limit myself to customs but some of the customs have become confidence baits in my boat. Heck, there are a lot of good fishermen who will say color doesn't make much difference at all so it really is just a personal preference deal. I've found myself purchasing fewer baits each year so when I do spend a few bucks extra on a custom it isn't as much of a big deal. |
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Location: Angola, IN | Custom colors do have a time and place. There are certain color patterns that can be really hot on a certain body of water. I can't tell you what they are, because they are secret!!
But of all the custom painted lures I own, my two favorites are Northern Pike and Perch. I'm suprised at how many bait manufacturers don't offer their lures in a Pike pattern, so I always have to custom order those. And for sure, not enough people make pink lures either.....the most under rated color by far. |
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Location: Monee, Illinois | Custom color just to make some others jealous when I pull it out of my box.....Hell if color was the big deal they would be trying to eat my boat
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| I like them because I know the fish haven't seen them. Does it matter? Who knows... |
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| Or go to a dealer and pick the peg with a bait that has the least amount of lures gone from,,,in a way you have a custom color cause nobodys hardly buying it |
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