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| How cut throat is this business? I see so many people nowadays straight up ripping off other guys baits. And yes, I know a crankbait is a crankbait, and a walk the dog topwater is a walk the dog topwater, but come one. I believe that a lot of the new baitmakers out there are just buying baits, splitting them open to see how they are weighted and making exact copies. For example, how may copies or look alikes of the magic maker are out there? I’m not saying the magic maker is the original but still, that glider has to be one of the most copied baits of all times.
Take a guy like “Beaver”. Man, he makes some GREAT & ORIGINAL baits. However he is only one guy, and can only make so many baits at a time. What if some guy came along that had way more time on his hands, ordered a perka and castor. Split them open, and started making copies of the exact same bait. Not only would someone like that rip Beav off, but Beav’s sales would also decline as someone else is making more of them and are probably able to sell them cheaper. I even know of a guy who came out with his own series of lures, and ordered the blanks from the exact same place that another bait maker gets his, on purpose, ripping of someone else’s idea. I would just make sure that I told everyone to buy beav's baits.
I hope I didn’t give any bad people any ideas about doing something like that, but I see this happening and just think it’s a travesty for the guy who spent the time to figure the whole process out, and then someone else comes along a tries to copy it. What do you do if you know it’s going on? Do you call them out on an internet board, or just let those of your friends that you are close to know not to buy them?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Actually, there is precious little 'new' on the bait market, and hasn't been for about 40 years. A bucktail is not much more than a spoon hook, walk the dog topwater a Zara Spook, crankbaits are crankbaits, and jerk baits all basically innovations of lures that have been around since the Tek Neek, Reef Hawg, Teddy, Smity, Bobbie, Suick, etc. The Weagle looks like a larger bodied Doc, which looks like a...all the way backwards to the Zara Spook;you get the idea. The Bull Dawg is a big creature with the jig molded in, the Topper Stopper looks an awful lot like a lure my Dad threw for bass when I was about 5 years old. Creepers? Dozens of 'em. It's expensive and IMHO not advisable to patent a lure because if you do, I think it's only 7% difference needed to make a like bait legally. Look at the Daredevil copies out there, hundreds of them. BUT, if the lure is really well built and the BRAND well marketed, that builder will benefit by holding the lions share of the market. No point in getting riled up if somone copies a lure, they all are more or less direct or at least concept copies of the original lures from the 40's to the 60's anyway. My Dog Turd surface lure is a copy of a Heddon Vamp Splashtail, so was the Snodlow, and so are all the copies of the Snodlow.
If the copy works well, is well built, and marketed well, then the original builder has some competition on his/her hands, and needs to market/advertise/promote even more. What about fishing rods? SHould there be only one builder, the original or purchaser of that copyright? A rod is what it is, pretty tough do do more than use quality components and dress it up better. Reels too. Why do Shimano and St Croix seem to be so popular? Advertising. Marketing.
I agree about Beav's lures, but they also are not exactly 100% original as far as the body style. He does alot more innovating than some do making the lure REALLY work while fine tuning the weighting and fixing the bodies to make them do what he wants, and does some kick fanny painting, too. | |
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Location: oswego, il | I second Beav's baits. He gets the blanks from a guy who makes a same looking bait but that bait maker knows what Beav is doing but aside from the actual blank, they are 100% beav and there is no comparison between the two baits I can assure you that.
It is hard to come up with a new bait design but nothing wrong really with improving, tuning or changing an original idea. I started making my schrimp tail spinner a few years ago before i seen the slowie slippery slam. They both have a schrimp tail and a rubber skirt but that is where the similarities end. Both are great baits, I would never knock the slowie.
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Location: Omaha | I would have to agree with everything said, up to a point.
Patents are realistically ineffective for those who can't afford to protect it...and patent lawyers ain't cheap. Guys that build & sell to retailers in our small niche market must protect their products in other ways. The single, most important concept in our niche-marketing is your reputation. Period.
Having said that...
The guys who really take the cake, though, are the ones that expolit their own reputation & "name in the business" and decide they need to put their signature on everything....didn't design it, doesn't even build it, just buys from his supplier and re-sells it with the impression that it's "his or her" item. Shame on you.
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| I agree completely with what everyone has said, and I hope "Beav" isn't pissed that I dragged his name into this, but I was really just using him as an example.
What I'm trying to ask is, what if I know the guy who makes the blanks for a lure, and the lure maker. What if I called the blank maker, ordered a bunch of blanks, and made THE EXACT SAME THING. I know that it's perfectly legal, but if you ask me, it's unethical, and just plain wrong, and personally wouldn't buy those baits, would you?
And I know that it happens but usually someone throws their own "twist" on a lure, and doesn't just flat out copy it.
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Location: lansing, il | instead of tryin to stir the pot jz why dont you contact the person yourself and bring your concerns right to him????? have you seen these baits in person? have you used them??? why drag another persons name into the game as a "example". sounds to me like your just trying to cause trouble with your whole post! in the end, nobody is going to make anyone buy thier baits, the consumers will be the ones who will decide what they want to buy when they want to buy it and where they want to buy it.
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Location: Omaha | for what it's worth...why didn't the bait builder specifically tell his supplier not to sell the design to other people?!??!
in the end, it's his own fault. gotta protect what's your's in whatever way you can.
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I don't know where you are going with this "trying to stir the pot" stuff, but it's happening everywhere. I just feel bad for the guys that spend the time tinkering and figuring this stuff out. Look on ebay. You'll see all kinds of knock offs of baits and the guys that are copying it even use the name of the original in the title so it comes up on searches. And to answer your question: Of the ones I have seen like that... I wouldn't pay 5 bucks for them. There was a guy selling lures that looked just like magic makers on ebay and even used the name in the title. I could have got them for 5-7 dollars. Did I? Nope! I'd rather just pony up and pay for the real thing and give credit where credit is due. Is that stupid? Maybe...
I was just curious as to how it all works. That whole 7% thing is news to me. Pretty interesting information. How does that get figured? It's gotta be pretty tough to figure that out! Mr. Worral was absolutely right. Most of this stuff has been around for years. The bulldawg has to be one of the more innovative baits lately, but in reality, it's just a jig. The squirrley tail thing? People have been adding rubber to hard baits since the rubber revolution. Can you patent a rubber tail? As musky fishermen we are blessed with some of the most innovative and best looking baits in all of fishing. Some bait makers create works of art that catch fish if you ask me. It's these innovators that make the subtle changes that help us present something new. | |
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| I agree with most of whats said here, and I don't think JZ is stirring any pots, just asking how much pride, dignity, and honor goes into making splash copys of baits, and the amount of comfort that one gets from stealing, original, how original can you be, the only limitation is you, there are a ton of guys that copy baits, especially when you go to smaller bass baits, but they make them for themselves and friends for the most part, they don't market them, if I made a floating Shad Rap and it was a direct copy and sold it as the Oreo bait, that would be ok? as long as I call it Oreo? sorry, not cool, or decent, or respectable, myself I don't see a problem making a bait with a Lipp, hooks, and body, calling it a crank as long as it's my idea, shape(form), size, wieght, action, as any one should, are Northland Jaw Breaker spoons the same as a silver minnow? no they are not, even though there apperance is very simalar, the question was are you capable of making your own Ideas work, is it as necaessary to have original ideas as it is to steal them, as important to live with your own dignity or be awash in treachery, I will choose decency over deceit,Theives will find no comfort in success gained by stealing, or copying others thoughts, works, and goods.
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Location: Oregon | I think you are right, there is a very fine line and some folks do cross it. One thing you find tho as a builder is that baits are a certain shape for a reason. When I first started building lures it was my goal to build something totally unlike anyone else had. I spent weeks and weeks working on various concepts and after 20 modifications I found that they looked very much like many others on the market. What you find is that some of the crazy shapes you come up with just won't swim. I tried to build a hard tail into some of my gliders but they wouldn't turn! As a builder you might want to make a "unique" shape but if it won't swim it isn't much good to you or anyone else.
You will note that gliders are often long and thin, this shape glides very well. Short and stalky lure shapes are better for quick darting. So, if you want a lure to glide well you make it long and thin, how many options does this leave you? Beyond that, is a lure really different if you make the nose turn up instead of down? What if you make the lure 1.25" thick instead of 1"? Just because a bait is shaped in a sligthly different way but swims the same doesn't really make it unique does it? Just about all giders and cranks are weighted and constructed the same, so are they really different? It is my feeling that essentially NONE of the lures we are seeing today are a "new concept".
It's interesting to go to the United States Patent and Trademark Office and do a patent search on "fishing lures". Here you will find literally hundreds of lure ideas with patents. If you choose a particular patent you will note a section entitled "related patents". Choose some of these and take a look a them...some are literally a hundred years old! You will note that each of these also have a list of "related patents". There isn't a single shape in any lure today that either hasn't been done before or has a very close variance. Gliders, spinners, spinner baits, buzzbaits, rubber baits of all shapes, they have all been around for decades, some as long as a century or more.
Of course each builder does put his personal twist on the baits he produces. Some are spectacular painters like Hughes River, others may build a very consistent bait. But really all builders are only reproducing a process figured out by fisherman, hobbyists, and industry long before any of us were alive.
Regards,
Jed V.
Bikini Bait Co.
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| Plagerism (sp?) and copying has been around since the beginning of time. Some say that it's even a form of flatery.
Well..you as the consumer...shouldn't get all worked up about it. You as the consumer have complete control as to who you buy from. If you know of "the original" bait maker....and that person is still making his/her baits...you the consumer have the power to continue to buy from them, the originator, for the lack of a better term, and NOT buy from those that are looking for an easy way out by copying. Just look past them altogether. Go to those that you feel deserve the credit where the credit is due and not worry about those imitating and copying.
I know this is a huge problem in the music industry and the car manufacturing industry as well, as well as just about anything that we look at in the manufacturing world. It's really, really hard to redesign and recreate the wheel.
There's always been the long standing joke that if you have a band and would like to break into the Top 40...just redo/remake and ABBA song. Seriously...as gay as that sounds...think about it..think about how many bands and how many times people have redon a simple ABBA song only to get recognized and then move on from there.
The auto industry is the same thing. Manufacturing is a cut-throat biz.
It's up to the consumer and the individual to stick to where they feel they are "brand loyal" again...for the lack of a better term.
Sure..there's a LOT of immitation and look-alike and rip off baits out there. No big deal. I just choose to go to those that have put forth that initial time, effort and energy to come out with that bait "first."
Nevermind the copiers...some consider it a form of flattery...some consider it plagerism and some consider it theft. Nothing we can realy do about it being there are no pattents out there for the most part. Just stick to your guns on who and where you buy from.
We'll all go dead broke and be the next one to file for bankruptcy if we were to fill our garages, boats and tackle boxes with each and every persons rendition of a bait.
In musky fishing...just remember one simple thing...if it's in the water and moving...it's food/bait...and these awesome fish will go after it..no matter who made it, who copied it or who stole it.
Stay true to yourself and pay the money to those that have the talent, originality and ability to come with things on their own, and by pass all those that you feel have copied. In the end...hopefully the "originator" succeeds... | |
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| I got some blanks that were the exact copy of some of Jeds lures, and I sent them back.
I told the body maker that they had to be different and I told him the difference that I wanted. The cosmetic difference was for a purpose as well as not being a duplicate.
I also weight lures differently than most guys do, and I have had guys buy Castors, then order bodies a week later....I was told. Gee do you think the guy spent $20 and then disected the lure? I do. Anything I can do about it? No.
I'll just keep making the best lures that I can and try to keep my customer service rating high. That's all that I can do.
I've got some new styles coming out this year. Does that mean that I have exclusive rights to those bodies that the lure maker makes? No, he has to make a living too.
How many kinds of bucktails are there?
If you build a quality product, you will get repeat customers and new customers from recommendations. That's all I can do. I'll continue to make the best lures that I can. My box is full of 'seconds', but I'm proud to use them. They still have the action that I'm looking for.
JZ, you didn't drag me into anything. There will always be new people making different lures.
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Location: Lafayette, IN | What do I appreciate about all these handmade lures? The people behind them, that's what. Put em in the water...the craftsmanship will manifest itself. ToddM's, Beav's, Cady's, Worrell's, Slaggle's, Doleson's, etc, etc.... All make excellent lures. Dozens more I couldn't mention. My observation is that many of these bait makers start out because they are curious and they are craftsmen too. Eventually their close fishin' buds find out what they're doing and the baits start getting passed around. Quality breeds demand. That's why even though their baits are being knocked off, the regional market of loyal friends and the broader market of internet friends will continue to buy their baits and tell others about them. Yes, it is a shame that original ideas can't be more easily protected but I promise you this; As long as I have some extra money to spend I'll be looking to the Don Slagles of the musky world to buy my next baits. Someone may eventually try an exact copy of Hoosier Handmades (and there are subtle and not so subtle differences) but Don will always get my business. It's a regional, friendship and quality thing that will sustain any market.
Just keep up the good work in your basements everyone. WE NEED YOU! 
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Location: Monee, Illinois | I think it not as much the lure type as it is the paint jobs......That is what I buy them for, I have send lures to people just to paint. If they copy lures great....In the golf buisness they copy golf balls and clubs all the time. That is why we live in a free society. The best thing if it bothers you don't buy them......
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Location: Oregon | Well said Beav and Stephen. In the musky world there is a very "tight" allegiance to friends and locals and this includes lure builders. I think this is great and the way it should be.
jed v.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Zactly.
I'll buy quite a few Perkas next year.
I'll buy a number of Undertakers, too, if I can find the colors I want.
Everything else I'll send to Beav to fix.
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| I started out tying bucktail jigs for walleyes....I'm going to start doing that again.
I used to make bucktails....I'm doing those again this year.
Those were my bread and butter lures for a long time.
Jed, you are right. I like being a "basement bait builder". I think that hand made, not mass produced lures have a little part of the builder in the maker in each one. I get a lot of enjoyment out of seeing pictures of fish that guys caught on my lures.....and not for advertising reasons.
It was a rush to leave some proto-type lures with Brian Jones when I left Cass lake this past summer, only to be greeted by a picture of him holding his personal best that he caught on one of them a week later.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not getting rich. I hate to think what I make hourly. The money I get goes right back into the supply bin. And you know what? I don't really care.
I guess I'll never be on The Apprentice, but then again, I've no desire to get into something that cut-throat.
Thanks to muskiefirst for letting us BBB's post here. The muskiefirsters are getting some quality lures. I know that I'm going to take all that don't sell right away and put them on tacklefirst.
Maybe that's where they should be instead of the B/S/T board anyway.
Look at The Kly thread, and see what the basement boys are made of. 
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Location: Freedom, WI | There will always be copiers out there, or are they. Some might have come up with the idea themselves not knowing. And if they thought my bait was good enough to copy it is kind of cool. The other day somebody emailed me a picture of a bait that looks a lot like mine at first glance but there are changes, is it his, mine or both of us and he makes good stuff also. I know nobody will be buying my blanks because I own the tooling for them, and copiers will not know the fine points on how to make them work. Like Beaver says it is the weighting. The wood also makes a difference. I have taken one body shape and used 3 different woods which resulted in 3 different actions. If there is a problem and changes need to be made I will know what did not work in the past and will be able to make it better.
Like mentioned in posts above, loyalty, local, friend recomends them. The lures are made by the guy that designed them. The most important, like Beaver said, it is neat to have someone catch fish on your stuff, because you are not going to get rich doing it (ask my wife and accountant). | |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | It's a business, but its also personal. If business desires go beyond the personal ties, then do what you will. You build and burn bridges by your professional mannerisms in this industry, its a small community and everyone's actions reverberate through the cliques and groups that make up the muskie industry. Thats my comment on the recent "copying incident" that everyone is talking about, but not talking about.
Here's how I look at it: look at the Kly Auction, these people gave basically with almost no prodding, and NO we dont pay these people a DIME for the donations. Some that have given in the past (Suick, ERC, Mepps) just didnt get a call, but are incredibly gracious and giving organizations. I like to buy from these people.....Mepps and Voodoo tails I throw because I like the people making them, same with Suicks and Perkas, Hawg Seekers and H20 tackle. Hughes Rivers because Roger has always given a bait or two to help, the Nessa is my new shallow twitcher (Muskynightmare) because they fell overthemselves to help with 8 handmade baits donated, Slammers and Jakes are my trolling baits because both companies give great donations whenever I call.
The great thing about the growth of muskie fishing is that we have so much new gear, baits, and boats to choose from....I personally choose those with hearts, those who give not only a great product, but help great causes. Fisherman catch fish, lures catch fisherman, use the lures that the companies who help the fisherman with more than just a trip to the wallet.
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Location: Freedom, WI | Todd - Profit what is that. The IRS says I am supposed to make a profit 3 out of 5 years or it will be considered a hobby, guess that will have to be the next 3 years LOL. | |
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| How come I'm the only one on the internet with a banned IP addresses? This Guess Who dude has to go...
But, then, this person perhaps has the wisdom to provide all of us the knowledges we need in order to make the right purchase when faced with all the wannabee lures of similar type, nature and branding.
There are reasons people fish certain brand name lures and not the copy cats. These lures, when utilized in the right hands of knowledgable and skillful musky anglers, produce day in and day out, season after season after season.
The Suick is a classic and will always be so.
Ditto for the Weagle. That lure shook my fall musky world in a way that I can only hope to reproduce with each passing season until I can fish no more. I've fished the jackpot and the Doc and the Zara Spook and all the other wannabee similars and found that even though business competition results in these similar type lures, the proof is in the pudding as to which ones consistently produce action from trophy muskys.
Anybody looking for shortcuts in todays world can spend far less and even experience what the original concept lure has proven oh so true, but it's more by happenstance than anything and then youses is left with trying to understand why that initial experience doesn't repeat, and in the end, it may have meant a one fish wonder lure, but no more.
With all the money the likes of weses spend on our musky gear and travels, paying for the REAL DEAL lure is inexpensive compared to most other tackle and with the right lure being the last link in the chain to hookem and holdem to the point of the likes of youses holding it in your arms, spreading them lips very wide to say cheezes, the common end result is for the likes of uses to have a memory of that monster and all future monsters with each passing season.
There are some things you can skimp on in the musky world, but not the lure which has proven itself to draw in the big ones.
You do get what you pay for when you purchase the best and I sincerely hope the likes of all of uses remember that.
Thank-youses...
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| Interesting reactions all. Frankly I don't care who makes a bait and if I ever went to the trouble to design a bait and found something that worked, I would immediately mass produce it and 2 near copies of it to #1 get my product out in a big way, to saturate the market, and to discourage imitations in an already crowded field. I would also not have any qualms about leasing out my design for X amount of cash per copy. I would rather have the original design and a kickback on imitations than have a design that falls prey to the market place because of supply that does not meet hype, and a design that is basically a knockoff of similar designs. Get there firstes with the mostes. Brand name is fine to sell a product but if there is no product to sell, consumers who have been hyped to death, will seek out another similar and in their minds, equivalent product. Consider Gutsch and the Tallywhacker, great bait and he basically had the market for a while, but then the imitators came in and took market share, look at the Mudpuppy franchise, see anybody lending them brand loyalty these days?
If Wayne would have been a big business guy he probably would have competed with his own product AND designed it in plastic. I don't see any hits on Bucher for taking the design further, never heard any on Gutsch either. Now we have the Pacemaker. Nobody seems to mention Sennett in any derogatory manner. What about the VIOLENT STRIKE SPINNER BAITS????, don't see them mentioned either.
My simple take is that the market is there, and all these lessons have been out there for anyone developing what they consider to be a unique bait. Make your bait well, in volume, easily available and affordable and it will be a lot less tempting for a competitor to bring it or a copy to market to compete with you.
I still think there are niches available in pull baits, surface baits and rubber jerks that have not been exploited.
Surface gliders and underwater gliders are a crowded market. There is still room for new baits, but if you are the one bringing them to market, be smart about it. Manta? Triple D? Not a whole lot of competition out there. Think of why there isn't. Go from there. Brand loyalty and friend loyalty? Feel free to buy that way too. As far as I am concerned, performance, cost and availability are what I am looking for(and repeatability).
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Location: The Sportsman, home, or out on the water | Like others on this board, I have way more into it than what I ever got out of it. However, donating baits, to the Kly auction, club banquets, church raffles, etc, is always a good thing (Karma is real and watches my every move, LOL). I enjoy doing what I do, and if anyone can market an exact copy of my stuff and turn a profit, have at her! | |
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Location: Verona, WI | Great topic but there are also market dynamics at play here. The guy that was on Ebay making exact copies of baits regularly available (Weagles, Magic Makers, etc) was filling a niche. Not a rip but there was a lot of demand for the Weagle that the producer was not able to fulfill. This Ebay guy saw a market opportunity with pent up demand and an unprotected product. Had supply been there to meet the demand for Weagles this guy wouldn't have been able to sell baits.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | My point exactly. The business is full of that sort of thing driven by avilability and price. The ice fishing market is a prime example. Frabill has innovated a ton of new products, most of which are copied within a year. Oh well, that's the biz! I never hear anyone complain from Frabill, they just keep improving, developing new product, and making sure everyone knows the Frabill Brand.
I say Branding is everything, and quality and service follow closely. Of course, Branding is developed by marketing and advertising, promotion and 'hype', no question. As a reverse on the last post, if one's brand is tight enough, and availability is not meeting demand, things still can shine for a builder; look at the Harley program for years. It was tough to get the bike one wanted, but most folks wouldn't buy a knockoff. Great marketing program, one of the best ever.
Of course Violent Strike isn't new concept spinnerbait. Brian and Keith started making them in the early 90's, as a result of Darrel from Tuff Tail tackle teaching them how at Wabigoon one night, creating a classic Basement Builder scenario. I actually DID have a hand in developing a new lure, the Creature, which required a jig and plastic that had never existed. Jim Cairnes, my Dad, and Tony Portincaso got me started there. In fact, I used to be known as 'The Creature Man'; a handle I was happy to lose, and now there are 'creature style' baits everywhere. It never occured to me folks wouldn't copy and improve the bait, even back then. I remember when Mr. Twister was THE soft plastic, too. Rapala was the only stick style crankbait bait ( I was one of the first in the midwest to have a Rapala as a kid, got mine form Jim Cairnes before they were in the stores, terrible durability, but MAN the bass ate those balsa and foil lures!), Dare Devil and Johnson the spoons, and bucktails were called Spoon Hooks.
The Tally Wacker is a good example, demand outstripped supply, and the regional reputation wasn't enough to create a situation where brand loyalty was there to the point of rejecting any new introduction. The Mud Puppy is a cool lure, but each 'improvement' made the lure look better, and that's the key if everything else is somewhat equal. The Top Raider is just another tail spinner topwater, but it's a GREAT tailspinner topwater. | |
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| Intersting topic. Designing baits is my pasion. Yes I learned by copying a Magicmaker first. I still do sell as many of them still as all the rest I have designed from scratch. Never will make my fortune here but I really enjoy it and lots of folks are catching fish on them and sending me pictures. Since I can't seem to make enough either I hope somebody thinks enough of what I do to copy mine some day.
Don Slagle
www.hoosierhandmademuskybaits.com
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| It does seem like an interesting topic. Now what happens if someone from Europe makes some modifications to a US bait, and markets them over there. Then the US company modifies their bait to look like the European bait later, besides selling their original version? Then the European company finds someone over here to market their baits. Should the company that markets them here be called a lure copier?
Since we mainly see lures that are created & marketed within our geographic area, who is to say who came up with it first? There are alot of interesting bait designs if you look around some european sites & shops. If you want some interesting colors look down at the Australian sites.
Buy whatever you like, and can afford. I know a guy who makes lures that look like Amma Bammas or HR's, but he only charges $20 for them, not the $40 that Amma Bamma charges, or $50 for the HR's. They work just fine.
Enjoy the rest of the debate.
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