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| Hey guys yesterday I picked up a Suick floating lure 9 inches long... im just wondering what techniques you guys like to use and which gets you the most results...
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Location: Madison, WI | If you go to video portion page on this site, there's a nice pool demo of a suick. I would have liked to see how the person moves his rod, but it gives you an idea for some techniques.
Here ya go
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/play_wmv.asp?clip=38 |
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| wow great... thanks for that link. Yea I would have liked to see his rod, he was really jerking it I bet!
now I know I should bend that metal tail down... |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | actually, being that i was standing right behind Mr. Worrall during taping, and because I've fished with him a number of times, I can tell you this: the man doesnt EVER jerk that hard on the rod (#*^@, that sounds bad). The trick is more of a wrist-induced pop on the bait, allowing a little bit of slack line to pop will help to get a little side to side on the bait. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The Suick Musky Thriller is one of the most versatile baits ever built. I think many anglers 'overwork' it, making it more difficult to use than necessary. I use the reel with rod tip adjustemnts to steer the bait, easy lure to use! |
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| hmm thanks guys.... I think I was overworking it.  |
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| slow-downward pumps. PUMP_PUMP_PUMP-upward tap-pause fish love the pause! |
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| I KNOW I've been overworking them, based on that video. Excellent footage!
Geez, now I want a pool so I can see all my lures in action... |
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Location: Palm Coast, FL | If you've never tried a T-Bone by widowmaker lures...it is a great bait. You don't get the back lashes like suicks and bobby baits and has the tail wobble and is extremely easy to use! |
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Location: Antigo, WI | I agree with Mr. Worrall, once you get the lure tuned properly you do not need to do alot of work with the rod itself. I personally use the weighted version more then anything even in water as shallow as 3 feet. You need to pay attention to the weed contact though, the majority of the strikes I get on these lures come after pausing following contact with weeds or on the next lure action. As far as the these lures causing backlashes that the gentleman mentioned in the previous post I think is bogus. A lure itself does not create a backlash, the operator is to blame for that and I am not saying I do not have any professional overruns because I have my share of those. |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Looking at tossing Suicks, its a bait I haven't really ran too much. What's a good rod/reel/leader combo? Also does the Super 10 come in weighted? We have about a half dozen at my Gander and none are weighted.
Edited by Gander Mt Guide 10/25/2005 9:02 AM
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| John,
The 10's come weighted, but in a handfull of colors.Several ways to add additional weight to Suicks, including "weight insert kits" available from JoMusky or Fudally, or by adding dipsy sinkers to the split rings.Adjust weight to get desired action.I like to weight my 10's to near neutral buoyancy.Work 'em down and let 'em hang!The dipsey sinkers also bang on the wood body, creating some thump on an already "loud" jerkbait.I agree with the short pull/twitch comments.Really easy to overwork a Suick.I really like the un-weighted 10 for working slop on LOTW or The Goon.The more buoyant the better.Harder pops in and around the pockets in the weeds.Straight crank with an occasional burst of speed or pause.POW!The un-weighted 10 has a nice wiggle on a straight retrieve.Look for lanes or alleys to cast.Get to know the bait you're throwing and you can work it through nearly anything.Almost as weed free as a "SPINNERBAIT IN DA WEEDS".Calm days this late Fall will find a weighted 10 on my jerkbait rod.Slow and erratic. Steve |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Thanks SJ. |
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| I must have about 15 suicks,,,Ive always found that the 10's seems to require less tunning then the 9's,,,does anybody 'really' buy into the sideways painted scheme ones though??? if they can see the little eye up front then why cant they see the round hook hanger opennings too,, anybody have any testimonials to these the average about 2-$3 more then regular painted ones |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | Steve Jonesi - 10/25/2005 8:32 AM
Get to know the bait you're throwing.... Steve
Pay attention to the difference in how they run 'dry' and 'wet'. By that I mean, after they have taken on some water over the course of many casts, they may run much different. I have a few that I only like the way they run after they have taken on some water. I like to soak those prior to their use.
Sorno
Edited by sorenson 10/25/2005 11:35 AM
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Location: Palm Coast, FL | I have not tried the weighted ones, but when casting with wind the T-Bone casts much farther. It has a tail wobble and head first rise. I am not saying that the suick is a bad bait at all...it catches fish and lots of them. I just like throwing the other more. |
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| BUMP..Is the video talked about above still online? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | No. We are re-shooting that very soon for Suick Lures, and will announce it when the series is uploaded. |
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Location: Oshkosh | Sounds good Steve. Are you also going to be doing the Weagle and Wabull for Suick also?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Yessir. |
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Location: WI | Suick is a great bait. Somehow my favorite one won't work right anymore...it drives me crazy trying to tune it. |
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Location: New Berlin,Wisconsin,53151 | Great bait but it takes some attention to throw it and tune it properly. I like to give it a couple of long pulls and a short jerk, then pause, repeat till the bait gets into sight, then a slow eight with the rod tip deep into the water. Sometimes you need more weight, a Joe Muskie kit will tune it to your preference. Conditions determine the amount of weight, if fishing shallow weeds you might NOT want the bait to suspend, so work like a Jake. I like to get the bait suspended then work it slow with a lot of pauses.
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Location: Minneconia | Hooker,
I have a sideways walleye weighted 10 that has been absolutely destroyed in the last four years, my number one Suick currently...but I don't think the color or pattern matters much at all, the action on this particular bait is phenomenal. Also have a buddy whose number one Suick is the sideways purple cisco, again. action related not color.
Hey Jonesi, soon number one will be a certain custom wieghted 10" in old school walleye;) Great bait man, thanks. See you in April.
Edited by Dirt Esox 3/23/2010 7:57 AM
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Location: McGuire AFB, NJ | Waiting for Norm......Norm...oh Norm. Mr. Wild has this down pat! Maybe he will enlighten us.
Stuck more fish than I ever have before after I was shown how to properly work one by Mr. Wild and Mr. Pearson.
Edited by AFchris 3/23/2010 7:57 AM
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Location: Roscoe IL | There was a huge fishing garage sale here in Rockford on Sunday, and I found an old Suick with the round belly. Is this design prefered by some and why did they change? It's in pretty good shape and I can't wait to give it a cast to see how it works. Most of the Suicks I have want to dart left or just right, never both.
Again, why did they change the design? |
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Location: Wishin I Was Fishin' | I really like the Shimano 300E Curado for throwing Suicks. It makes a huge difference in casting and the fast retrieve is awesome for minimizing slack line.
The double weighted 10" is my favorite. I add my weight system to it. Unscrew the weight when I use it shallow. Check it out on my site at: http://jomusky.com/weighting.html
Make sure you T the front hooks: http://jomusky.com/thooks.html
I have won tournaments and outings with this bait!
I like the unweighted 9" in the weeds.
I always change the front screw eye from the chrome plated brass one to a long heavy duty stainless steel screw eye. Cheap insurance.
If you chip the nose up on rocks, just rough it up a little with 80 grit and fill it back in with 5 minute epoxy. This is good for hook rash to minimize the hooks from sticking in the bait and fowling it also.
Steve Suick had some custome weighted 6" ones at Musky Magic this last weekend. Some guys are really doing well with them too. |
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| Cool weight system Joe. I could see those coming in handy for a number of baits.
I usually throw the weighted Suicks, not because they go much deeper, but because they have a slower rise to the surface which can be deadly.
As far as the color availability of the 10" weighted Suicks, I carry 10 colors of them and I know there are more colors made. Fantastic lures that are not as hard to work through the weeds as you might think! |
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Location: Warroad, Mn | Suicks are one of my best all around fish catchers. Pretty good hookers. as the fish mostly t-bone the bait. Very good in weeds as the round nose seems to push the weeds away, and buoyant enough to pop up out the the weeds when needed. One of my favorites. Currently underrated Doug Johnson |
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| I agree with DougJ very underrated . Try using them with the new weighted leaders from Stealth tackle these leaders were designed for Suicks. They help keep the bait in the strike zone and give the bait a more erratic pattern.
Good luck
Jeff Hanson
madisonmuskyguide.com |
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| lookin at my post way above from about 5 yrs ago,
Id say my ive added some other moves to the suick.
one of my favortites to do when the normal isnt workin,
is like joe said, add weight to them, and what I kind of do,
is burn them. not necessarilly in the weeds, kind of out in the open, off the edges so to speak.
on a 9" weighted model, i put the weight behind the front hook a bit,
usually just enough to make it almost sink. now you have to have a pretty in tune
bait to do this, so either a good right left cadence, or one that comes straight in with maybe a little shimmy. On the 10" I'll put it right in front of the front hook, usually the 10's will sink nose down then. the 9's will kind of stay level. my pulls are about 18" in length or so, but very fast.
about 8-10 good pulls, then a long pull and let the bait hang and turn. pause for a lil bit, and then back to the fast pulls.
this technique has worked quite a few times for me, its something out of the ordinary that seems to get their attention and then the pause kills it.
and btw Jo, you are welcome that day you won the joint club outing. 
He calls us up, asks what we are seein fish on, I tell him 10" firetiger suick,
he puts it on and nails 2 fish right away. Richard Con Queso for sure!!! hehe
I was using the above mentioned method that day, poked 2 short ones, and lost track of how many had come up, missed the bait, or I pulled it away from them,
it took me a while to figure out to let it hang longer after all the speed pumping.
my bad. all in all, a good tactic to keep in mind. |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | On one of my first ever times musky fishing Mike Koepp was trying to tell me how to work a Suick. He took the rod to show me how to do it and promptly caught a fish. I could backlash the hell out the unweighted versions. He also once made a cast with my Topraider to show me how to figure eight it. He promptly caught a fish.
If a guide catches a fish on the client's equipment, who gets to count it?
I've seen Norm and Joel work Suicks. They seemed to have it down. I've seen Slamr work a Suick. He works one with a little more anger.
I wasn't very good with a Suick. Or casting anything for that matter.
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Hopeful, Those guys from Chitown always work their lures with more Anger than us nicer guys that live farther north .
Jerome
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Top H2O - 3/24/2010 8:35 PM
Hopeful, Those guys from Chitown always work their lures with more Anger than us nicer guys that live farther north .
Jerome
It's all that big city hustle-bustle they have to deal with, I guess. Makes 'em edgy. He really yanks a crankbait, too. Can I say yanks a crankbait on this site?
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Sarcasom ! (SP)
Edited by Top H2O 3/24/2010 10:10 PM
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| I'm sure it's all been said but play with the tail and love the pause more than you might at first. Try to find the old school ones, just a hint. Don't cast it against the wind. Don't call it a "swick" like my new city friends I met down here. An old musky guru who I actually found out about while doing a job back home, actually gets some rattle in them. Some of the most action with our suicks come on our "tooth mark" patterns that don't even have a definable color anymore! |
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Location: New Berlin,Wisconsin,53151 | Kevin,
I guess you can say "Yanks a crank" if everyone else is talking about "long or short pulls" and a "good jerk". I forgot to add about the tunning of the tail, I'll bend one side of the metal fin down a little more than the other, this gives the lure a short twist and can aid in the action on the retrieve.
Open Water on Pewaukee.....I hear that the pier and lift are going in this Saturday........
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Location: Warroad, Mn | Just another vote for Suicks. Caught two fish on one today! Doug Johnson |
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| Hi
Instead of casting out your Suick and retrieving right away try this tip.
A great technique for us over the years is to cast out the Suick and let it sit till all the ripples are gone. This gives any muskie in the area a chance to move in and check it out. Give a short jerk of a foot or two and let it sit again for about 3 to 5 seconds and start your retrieve as usual and hang on.
This technique has helped us boat HUNDREDS of muskies and big pike over the years for my guide service. And yes all my Suicks are modified. I had Clark A.
( who contributes often here )and his buddy trying to modify theirs on my boat after our third muskie caught in less than 1 hour on a modified suick.
As far as working it. I work my Suicks like a spastic dancer from the 80"s nice and fast and retrieve your slack on a tight line.
Just another way to work a GREAT lure.
Steve Scepaniak
www.predatorguideservice.com
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| I love fishing SUICKs -- I think it is my favorite bait --Lots of great info here and I will also say--don't over worj them--9's and 10's work differently--so do the weighted and un weighted models--you will have to experiment to see what works for your conditions fished---As far as any tips--I drill a small hole in the center tip of the tail and use a split ring attached to a swivel and add a small spinner---just gives a little more flash and something different---???? can't really say that it has caught me more fish but I do it to all the one's that I use so I guess I will never know---Good Luck learning the techniques of your new bait---I bet it becomes 1 of your favorites--there is a reason they have been around basically unchanged for all these years--A TRUE MUSKY CLASSIC |
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| Hi
Love the last post on putting the spinner blade on the tail of the Suick.
That is the exact modification we have been doing for close to 30 years.
I featured that tip in an episode of our television show OUTDOOR LOGIC.
Field And Stream magazine also featured my modified Suick in their last April spring issue along with the Salmo Whitefish.
Here is another Suick modification that has worked.
Trace out mylar tape around the tail. Cut to form and tape on. The added flash is unreal.
Take care and good luck.
Steve Scepaniak
www.predatorguideservice.com |
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| Netman - 3/25/2010 6:00 AM
I forgot to add about the tunning of the tail, I'll bend one side of the metal fin down a little more than the other, this gives the lure a short twist and can aid in the action on the retrieve.
I caught my 1st musky last summer with guide Brian Long (a great guide BTW!), and he gave me a great lesson on suicks. He bent the line tie and the tail and changed things around a little and then got it working the way he liked it. He showed me how it was working in the water with just exactly the kind of belly roll on the pull you are talking about. FWIW the line tie is bent to the left, and the tail is at a very shallow angle with the right tip being bent down a little bit extra (all as you look at the lure). |
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