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Location: Northern Wisconsin | i have a few questions about leaders. I have been using pete mania leaders, both 7 strand and the
single strand for jerkbaits. i have had 3 seven strands break in the last 2 years. they have all
broke around the crimps. it there a leader material that i can buy and tie to the line wihtout crimps
or tie to the swivels? what kind of leaders do you use? can single strand (the stiff jerkbait ones)
be used for bucktails and cranks? i dont trust store bought leaders any more and dont want to
loose fish due to them. is tyger leader good for tying onto the snaps and swivels? any help/info
would be appreciated. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I make my own leaders, and use 7 strand alot. The crimp tool is the culprit if the leader is breaking, it's due to overcrimping the sleeve and damaging the wire. I make my own piano wire leaders, and use them at .035 for cranks and lighter lures, and .050 for the big stuff. The seven strand is for my jigs and other lures requiring a soft, flexible leader material. I have not has one fail on a fish ever. |
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| I make my own leaders out of 60# 7Strand. I tie a sqare knot and then put a crimp behind it. When a fish pulls on the leader the knot tightens down and there is very little strain on the crimp. I have never had one fail. The rod I throw the Mojo Tail with has 10 fish this year that averaged 38.4 inches and the leader is still going. |
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Location: The Sportsman, home, or out on the water | A lot of folks on this board make their own leaders. If you know of no one willing to show you how, I will, if you are willing to make the trip to Appleton, and bring enough beer for us both to drink. I will also show you how to make your own bucktails. This offer is open to anyone. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Same offer stands for anyone visiting the Hideout, I'd be happy to make you a venison steak and show how I make my leaders, etc. |
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| The above two posts are why I believe M1st is the best board on the Internet!!!! |
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Location: God's Country......USA..... Western Wisconsin | Where are you from? I also would be more than happy to show you how to make all of your own leaders etc. Actually quite simple and cost effective. You then can make them however strong and whatever lenghth you prefer.
I live in western WI and work in MN. Give me a call anytime at work.
651-257-6334
Edited by muskyone 8/29/2005 1:28 PM
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Location: Seymour, WI | What kind of swivels do you guys use on the leaders that you make?
I've been using Berkley 175# barrel swivels. They are very nice, but they cost about $1.75 ea. Looking for something very strong, but not so expensive.
Grass, |
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Location: Des Moines IA | I agree with esox 50. Having been able to meet people from this site and benefit from their hospitality and knowledge on muskie lakes not to mention trolling motors. Great site! Great People!!!!!!!! |
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | i can't drink yet. i am just looking for some tips on making them, what kind of leader is good, and
what kind of leaders go with what baits. so far i have been using seven strand for everthing but
jerkbaits. i want to know if its good to use piano wire leaders for bucktails and twitch baits and how
make a good seven strand leader. i have also had some of my seven strand leaders coli up, which
makes them usless. thanks |
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| I like the Stringease snaps and Sampo Stay-Locks. The Stay-Locks are just like the Stringease. The Sampos come with a ball bearing swivel and you just take the snap off, put the snap on one end and the swivel on the other and your good to go. I use 7Strand for everything. Get a leader straightener. Minor coils pull out when you are retrieving a lure. It's good to have choices. |
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| I suggest using singlestrand 105-175lb. test with a quality mcmahon or ballbearing swivel on one end and splitring directly to your baits. Even the "best" snaps fail at times. I have lost two very quality fish to straightened out snaps. Never again will I put a snap on a leader period... If you're into florocarbon, use at least 80lb. test and thumbnail knot one end to the forementioned quality swivel and the other to a solid welded ring. (Thorne bros, and BAss pro salt water carry them) then attatch to a splitring that should be on your bait already. For the welded rings, a pair of splitring pliers might be neccessary, but the solid wire loop threads on the splitring quickly without pliers at all. Peace, Matt |
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | when you say single strand your talking about the piano wire type leaders that most refer to as
jerkbait leaders, right? and those can be used on all lures?
if i want to use 7 strand what brand/kind do you recomend? i would prefer to use knots(no more
crimps) to attach to snaps and swivels, so what knots work? I saw a tyable 7 strand at gander,
i think it was tyger or some thing like that (had a shark on the package) in 80 and 100 lb test ,i
believe. would that stuff work?
sorry about all these questions and thanks for the help.
steve
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Location: Ames, Iowa | Single strand is solid wire- great stuff- I use #140- easy to work with- bend it with your fingers if the loop is held with some kind of pliers. My only problem is working to get nice round loops. Found at most muskie shops and Cabelas, Moore' s Lures.
Seven Strand (seven strands of wire) is a brand name- it's sold at places like Moore's Lures, Thorne's, Rollie and Helen's. There are other brand names. I buy 30 ft coils, in #60 and #90, and so am not so stingy about saving one that gets worn. I double crimp and pass the end of the wire back through the crimp. Sometimes I have knotted them a little between crimps using #60. Have not tried the Tyger stuff.
I know that some guys like Jim Murphy use only solid wire leaders in #70-140. Probably safer that way.
I like both leaders and make many. I make thinner Sevenstrand ones for my wife for northern fishing. Like the Stay lok snaps and the crosslock snaps.
Have made my own bucktails using .051 wire and components from Moore's and Rollies. That's fun.
I have seen some nice looking homemade spinnerbaits too.
All the best,
Don
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what kind of leaders