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Location: NEW LENOX | I'm going to buy a boat this fall. and I narrowed it down to two boats. So my question to you is
what would be a better fit for my fishing needs. Option 1, 2001 tuffy esox mag. or Option 2, 2001 17' tuffy osprey. both are tiller and have a 60 horse 4 stroke. Here are the waters I mainly will be fishing,Indiana ( webster,tippy ), Illinois ( shellbyville, shabbona, hiedekie?), Wisconsin (the chip,minocqua and some other southeastern lakes) and one trip a year to canada ( nestor falls). PLEASE if you ever been fishing out off one, or own one, any info, good or bad would be greatly appreciated. THANKS |
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| Hello, I have fished out of both and owned a 1999 17 foot deep-v. Both boats fish great, but the deep-v was great on big water. Nice to have the great ride. That being said the deep-v is quite a bit slower and if you spend most of your time on those lakes...Not an easy choice...only good things is you really cannot go wrong...ben |
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Location: Lincolnshire, IL | I had a 2001 Tuffy Esox Deep V and have been in the magnum, etc. I really liked the Deep V, felt the stabilty was great for a boat of that size and for larger waters it worked fine. I would think that if your ever want to sell the boat somewhere down the line..the Deep V could be marketed to a larger audience. |
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| I runa esox mag. and fish Indiana waters almost exclusively. I perfer it over the deep v for my needs. I have also fished out of the Deep V tiller w/60hp merc. That boat with a 60hp is an absolute dog. I think that much boat should be rated for higher hp. It is very stable and dry in those Tippy boat and ski induced whitecaps. You'll be satisfied with either as far as the latout and fishability. My friends deepV does lack the amount of storage that my Magnum has. (no small dry storage box opposite livewell, and his battery box is smaller. |
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Location: NEW LENOX | Thanks for your replies, Matt what is a "dog" to you, I was told a 17 Osprey will run about 35-40mph, true? |
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| I believe the osprey will run 30-32 would be my guess...that is what i could get out of my boat...Ben |
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Location: Lincolnshire, IL | I concur with BenR, my Esox deep V 1700 with a 60 Mercury Tiller ran about 30 mph GPS. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Keep in mind the new 1700 Esox Deep Vis a totally ( COMPLETELY!) different animal and will be faster as a result, plus the storage is completely revamped fiberglass sealed lockers and is much better than the older models. The rod locker, a center loader, will take 4 -8' rods, 4- 7.5' rods, amd 4- 6.5' rods. The livewell is now rear, and is 52".
The older 1700 with a properly set up stainless prop and the motor at the correct height will run low to middle thirties with two anglers, full fuel, and gear depending on prop and conditions. I fished with Theedz in his a few weeks back, and it was anything but a 'dog'. That's not much slower than the Magnum. The horsepower rating is set by the USCG, and isn't negotiable. It's done by a formula.
If the boat is slow out of the hole or lacked top end with a 60 HP, it's the prop. |
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| Steve
The boat wasn't but the guy running the tiller was??
My 1700EDV (Wisconsin Wade's) runs about 32 on the analog speed guage. I know those are not very accurate. I'll let you know what GPS speed is when I get it all hooked up and tested.
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| His is a 2002 Esov deep v 17 footer. We ran it with two different props and couldn't get it above 28 mph. I can't recall what pitch the props were off hand. One was a stainless he got from Daryl at Tuffy and the other was the factory alum. |
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | The boat that Theedz now has, that WI Wade had, was origionally my rig. On my old hand held GPS I could get 31-34 mph on it depending on how I had it loaded, etc. That boat would cruise very nicely in the mid-upper 20's and be easy on fuel and offered a very soft ride.
Steve is correct on the new re-designed esox series and I suspect they may run a little faster due to the way the interior is constructed and designed. I loved my old Esox-V tiller layout, the new layout offers the finest center line rod storage I have ever seen. In one of the prototype consol boats I loaded the locker with musky and walleye rods and still had room for guest rods and a few sweatshirts.
I've owned two magnums over the years and they served their pupose well, but for me a V-hull design is the way to go. Much dryer, smoother ride, very stable in rough waters. For the 1-2 mph difference in speed between the various models and new designed models, top end probably shouldn't be a consideration. You will live or die by the interior layout of the boat, I suggest you base your desicion on what layout you like best and go from there.
In talking with a friend who recently inquired about the new 1760 with Suzuki power, Tuffy is offering some very attractive packaging right now, and it is hard to beat Suzuki reliability and economy.
Call Steve for a list of dealers in your area and go take a look at one of the new designs and if possible get a ride in one of Tuffy's v-hulls, I think you will be quite impressed.
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Location: NEW LENOX | Thanks to you all !!!!! I decided to go with the osprey. its the gt, no gunnel caps so its wide open. The deciding factor was the kids, 6 & 5, who almost fall out of the magnum while we were standing in the showroom. Plus they want to go tubing and try skiing in between fishing spots.
THANKS AGAIN |
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| jmac
I have a 2001 osprey 1700 GC with a 90 opti it runs 39-40 mph on my gps. good choice I have two small kids also. very stable and very happy with the boat.
good luck Doug |
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| I am running a 2002 Esox Deep v 1760c with a 150 Merc and a 9.9 kicker. Fully rigged with 2 trolling motors, kicker, gear and 2 men runs 50-55. Had it up to 64 by myself without the kicker and 1/4 tank of gas (36 gallons of gas weighs alot). The 9.9 kicker is a must for trolling and I wouldn't have a boat without it. You might be able to get away without if you're running a 60 tiller though. I'm putting mine up for sale soon. Fully rigged w/GPS 2 tolling motors, 150 and kicker. Let me know if you haven't already found a rig. Mine is in great shape but I fell in love with the new 2060 deep v. |
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| Cory,
What you looking to get for yours and is the 150 an opti? |
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| No the 150 is not an Opti, it's an XR6 carbureted. To be honest I haven't done the research to put a fair price on it yet. I'm planning to purchase the 2060 over the winter. I would consider ordering it sooner if I had mine sold though. I'll give you some info and if interested, make a fair offer. I purchased it new for $30,000 with the 150 Merc, a Minnkota Vantage 74 on the rear, a Minnkota Genesis 74 on the front, a Lowrance X85 on the front, a Lowrance flasher and temp sensor on the dash and a Dual Pro charger. I've added a stainless prop, keel guard, a Lowrance X15 w/ GPS, Minnkota powerdrive 74 with autopilot to replace the P.O.S. Genesis, a Merc 9.9 kicker and last winter it was back to Tuffy to get buffed and re-decaled. The front trolling motor and X15 were new last season and the 9.9 was new this season. I figure it to go for $35,000+ to replace new and off the top of my head I'd say around $20,000 but I've done no research. It's in perfect condition and I live in northern IL. If you're interested, make and offer and we can make arrangements for you to see it. |
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| Cory, I'm interested in looking at your boat.Email me at [email protected]..... I also live in Northern ILL.Thanks |
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| I own a 1999 Renegade (Esox Deep V; same hull as the Osprey) with a 60 2-cycle. Awesome boat to fish from and handles big water very, very well. But it is a dog; matt is right. 30mph ballpark, tops, and slow out of the hole with any prop (I've tried three). Still, I can go places in that boat (bigger water) that an Esox will never take me comfortably.
As far as resale, my impression is that the esox mag will hold value much better than the deep-v. |
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| A deep-v will let you fish big water and give you an all around boat. |
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Location: Greenfield, WI | I have a Esox Magnum with a Yamaha 115 hp motor. I have had it in 5' waves 4 or 5 times, (not by my choise), and it performed well. You have to keep your head.
I am not a speed person, as I am old enough to know that there are options between "off" and "wide open". I do fish one tournament each year which has a "shotgun" start. In ten years plus, I have NEVER been beat by a boat and motor with under 135 hp, and bigger motors usually take 200 yds+ to catch me.
I also have had two clients out at once together. The smaller of the two was 350 lbs.! With all three of us on one side the boat barely dipped.
You will do well by either choice, but you will be happier by matching the boat to the water that you are likely to fish. If you are only on big water once a year or less, you might not need the deep V.
Good Luck. |
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