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Location: Belleville, WI | I personally see no problems with WI muskie fishing, I am pretty sick of all the WI bashing and all the MI stroking.First I personally think that to many people blame spearing for more problems than they are responsible for. Just because your angered about a situation dosen't mean that your ethics problem=biological problem. Second the WI muskies(barred) are by far the prettiest(presonal opinion).Third the size limit thing is a joke I leave it at that because it's simple conclusion that's easy to understand if you actully think about it.Fourth the only reason MN has bigger fish than before is beacause it was a problem years ago not the case in WI at the same perid of time and now everyone thinks there is a problem now.5th I've fished right where the world record muskie that's right WORLD RECORD MUSKIE was caught I could fish all over the land of 10,000 lakes and not say the same thing. I guess I'm young enough to not be bitter that I haven't caught a 50 inch trophy and have to except that because of my short commings on the water that I have to bash on places and things that I have no idea about . And to leave this post on a bright note I'm glad people would rather fish MN this way you can stay off my lake and my fish.
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Location: Mendota Heights, MN | I am not sure how you can look at the facts, the numbers and size of fish caught, and say what your saying, but for some people the facts don't matter. I live in MN but will continue to fish "your" lakes in WI. Not because I really think there is much of a chance at boating a 50"+ fish (I can do that closer to home), but because WI, and "your" area in particular has some of the prettiest, best run, most secluded campgrounds.
It's not all about size, it is about aesthetics too. It is interesting to note that most of the "bashing" is not coming from people in MN (that's Minnesota, MI is Michigan my friend), it is coming from people in "your" area. WMRT et al.
This land is your land, this land is my land, from california, to the ....
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Location: Belleville, WI | Please let me know of the facts,numbers and size of fish caught that you are speaking of. So I can get on the right side of things Phoenix Thanks | |
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | In my opinion no one is bashing WI, it about trying to make something that is good, into something that is great.
I personally spend about 250 to 300 hours on the water a year fishing musky. Average it out in the last 6 years I have spent about 1650 hours fishing. Of that time about 315 hours where fishing Canadian water.
In that time 4 of my 5 biggest fish came from Canada, 51”, 50.5” 48” and 46”. My biggest in WI from that time frame was 48.5” consistently my biggest fish from WI is 44 inches plus or minus an inch. On every trip to Canada I have caught a fish bigger than that. Some do better some do worse, it’s not a matter of being a good fisherman or knowing how to fish the water, its about odds. The odds of catching a big fish can get better in WI and why not work towards that goal. They wont necessarily ever be better than the odds of catching a big fish in Canada but the gap can be narrowed.
I have close friends with the same experience on MN waters, but I don't have the numbers.
Nail A Pig!
Mike
Edited by MRoberts 5/19/2005 12:16 PM
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Location: Belleville, WI | Those are some inpressive fish indeed. I still don't understand why people want to make WI waters more like MN or Canada. What is the point of fishing in diffrent waters if the goal is to have all the waters uniform. I look at it in a different light than others. I fish waters around Madison WI . The 3 main bodies around with a healthy muskie population. Are Lake Wingra, Lake Monona and Lake Waubesa. Athough theses lakes are very close together. They all offer different kinds of muskie fishing.Wingra is an over populated action lake. Waubesa offers quality fish with just enough muskies to challenge even seasoned anglers.And Lake Monona probably offers the best chance a 50 inch fish.(Just last year one of my close friends caught a 47.5 inch fish and released it and by the WI cauculator the fish should be at 50 in what 10 yrs j/k). The reason I like to fish around here is the wide spectrum of fishing it offers. And the thing I would hate is for all of it to be the same. I'll stop there so you guys can start telling me everthing I missed and put half the words in this post in quotes. Also you can tell me that "The fish will never all be the same because of difffrent forage, pressure,breeding....... you get the picture.
P.S Nice picture MRoberts(and what was the weight diffrence between the 48.5 from WI and 51 from Canada) | |
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | I won’t quote anything you say, and I understand what you are saying. I just feel it would be nice to have some area lakes with true trophy potential right here in North Eastern Wisconsin. They exist now, but in my opinion you have to spend an unreasonable amount of time on them to get that trophy. I would like to keep my money right in Wisconsin and not have to make that trip to Canada or Mn every year, however I still would make that trip on occasion for the exact reasons you outline, a different fishing experience.
I have fished the Madison waters quite often with my cousin, Jeff Hansen. It is a fun time and there are some nice fish in those waters. Jeff stills travels every year for the fish over 50, with all the hours he spends in the Madison area I think 48 is his biggest, unless he beat that last season. He consistently puts 100 +/- fish in the boat a year and I don’t think he has ever had a WI 50 in the boat, himself or a client. The good thing for you is that many of the changes we have been talking about are happening right there in Madison. They have instituted higher size limits to protect the big girls and they are going to start stocking Leech Lake fish, in to I believe Monona, the fishing there is only going to get better.
As far as the weight of the two fish I didn’t weigh them or even girth them I will let you determine if there is a significant difference.
The first pic is the WI 48.5 the second is the Canadian 51
Thanks
Nail A Pig!
Mike
Edited by MRoberts 5/20/2005 8:26 AM
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Location: The Yahara Chain | Mr. Lying I agree with you on the actual impact of Native spearing. This year 203 fish were speared during the Spring, and yes I know the winter totals are not reported. I would think the Spring number would be a lot higher than the Winter number. Let's say approximately 300 musky were speared last year. Many more fish than that will be kept this year by hook and line anglers, many fish will perish after being caught by single hook/ swallow rigs. I wish the anglers in this state would get half as excited about swallow rigs(something we can change) as they do about native spearing (something that we have no control over).
Let's look at a couple of high density lakes in Polk county, Bone and Deer Lakes. Deer had 15 muskies speared(highest total of any lake in the state) Bone had 3 muskies speared. A well known guide used to (maybe he still does) take groups of anglers to these lakes in the late fall. These people paid to go on these trips, similar to Musky Hunters Schools. Everybody used suckers, since the leader of the school preached the use of single- hook rigs, I assume a high % of the anglers were doing the same. This little "school" killed(or for all I know still kills) more muskies by themselves than the Natives. That is just one group, and they are killing more fish than are getting speared.
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