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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | This is always dangerous, but I'm going to put a thread up here to ask quesitons from the peanut gallery, to help us in deciding the rules for 2005's competition.
-do you understand what matchfishing is?
-are you going to compete this year?
-if no, why not?
-how do you feel about "rematches" after ties?
-if you were to make it to the championship, could you fish in November?
-how would you feel about prizes being awarded?
-what would you improve over last year?
*****Please understand that this is for INFORMATION GATHERING ONLY. We are going to try to make the best decisions possible for the competition this year, but we cant gurantee that everyones feelings/thoughts will be reflected in the decisions that are made.*********
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | AND, if your feelings are a gripe about something that you feel wronged about from last year, that we already resolved, please refrain from a personal attack on Jonesi or Tommie, because now, they're the complaint department, not I! |
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA | I liked the format of last years matchfishing. I wouldnt mind fishing the championship in november. i like the idea of rematches if theres a tie. I say if both teams fail to boat a fish, have a rematch, if still no fish are caught THEN go to the coin flip. Thats the only change i would make. A match fishing blog might help too. to record and keep track of each matches results. |
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Location: Washington, PA | GOod idea on the blog. (I think that might be your first good idea ever). Rematches are great in theory, but have to be able to be made in a timely fashion. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Blogs are great for each participant, but remember, we do have a dedicated forum for MatchFISHING....just no one has used it since last year's matchfishing ended. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | -are you going to compete this year? YES! The "Muskie Maniacs" will be back, anchoring the back deck for me will be either my 9 year old granddaughter Jazmyn (Jazzy) or my 6 year old grandson Xavier (X-Man)
-if no, why not?
-how do you feel about "rematches" after ties? Fine
-if you were to make it to the championship, could you fish in November? YES!
-how would you feel about prizes being awarded? Fine
-what would you improve over last year? It seemed like it was pretty difficult for some folks to get responses from their match adversaries when trying to schedule. Maybe a rule- like- "Failure to reply to a posted MF match date request/post within 5 days is grounds for ellimination/automatic forfeiture of the match by the non-respondent's.
Wahooooooooooooo............... bring it on.............. fishhhhhhhhhhhhh!.............................
Have fun.
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| So what is match fishing and why would I want to do it?  |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | MatchFISHING pits teams (2 guys both in the same boat) against each other in one on one competition through a tournament format. The teams DO NOT have to be on the same LAKE, but need to fish on the same DAY. To prove the fish were caught that day, a perviously assigned ITEM has to be shown in the picture.
The format is pool play for the first 3 months (June, July, August), with the winners from each pool advancing to a 3 round tournament format. Tournament rounds are done in September, October, then November.
Why do it? FUN!!! Competition!!!! And getting to do some trash talking.
Is that a good preliminary sketch for those of you who might not have done matchfishing in he past. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | That pretty much nails it- especially the trash talking! 
Have fun in 2005. tick, tick,tick, .................. come on girls, let's dance!
Al
Edited by ESOX Maniac 5/3/2005 10:28 AM
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Location: Contrarian Island | I have not done it in the past but it sounds fun...sign me up, is there a place to sign up?
Also what are the fishing hours? open to any and all 24 hours of that day????
Prizes aren't mandatory but would be cool ...
I think if no fish are caught a definite rematch is in order,,if no fish caught then flip a coin...I would also agree if the other team does not reply to your emails or posts about a rematch give them a certain # of days to get back to you and if not they are dq'd
Finals in Nov...for sure!
Edited by MSKY HNR 5/3/2005 10:29 AM
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Coin flips have been the rule for deciding ties AFTER pool play.
Sign-up is May 18th! First X# of teams to enter, are in. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | -fishing hours are as many hours are allowed by law in that area.
-sign up will be on a thread in the MatchFISHING Forum
-ALSO, just so it is stated clearly here for the first of probably many times: the laws/regulations of the body of water you are fishing, are for that team, but do not necessarily apply to both teams.
*ex, my team fishes in IL, tommie in Wisconsin -> I can troll 3 lines/person, Tommie cant.
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Location: Contrarian Island | I take it you can fish by yourself until your partner is able to join you and those fish caught by yourself will count if you have a good pic with the item in it..... |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Yep.
AND, we do allow for subs on the team. The toughest part of MatchFISHING is scheduling, so we try to be somewhat flexible on who is going to fish the day of the match. |
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| do you understand what matchfishing is?
YES
-are you going to compete this year?
YES
-how do you feel about "rematches" after ties?
I THINK THEY'RE FINE - AS LONG AS THEY'RE COMPLETED WITHIN THE MONTH FOR THAT MATCH, IE. SO IT WON'T HOLD UP FUTURE MATCHES
-if you were to make it to the championship, could you fish in November?
BEEN THERE. DONE THAT.
-how would you feel about prizes being awarded?
IT WOULD BE NICE, BUT UNNECESSARY.
COMPETITION IS A REWARD IN ITSELF.
PERHAPS SOME FRONT-PAGE PICTURE TIME FOR THE CHAMPION?
-what would you improve over last year?
I THINK THE POOL-PLAY SCORING COULD BE IMPROVED.
RATHER THAN DOUBLE-BLANK = LOSS, DO IT HOCKEY STYLE:
2 PTS FOR WIN, 1 PT FOR TIE, 0 PTS FOR LOSS
THAT WAY A DOUBLE BLANK IS BETTER THAN A LOSS...THAT KEEPS IT A "HEAD-TO-HEAD" COMPETITION, NOT A TOTAL POINTS OVER TIME KIND OF THING.
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Location: Contrarian Island | muskyboy you stand no chance.
Edited by MSKY HNR 5/3/2005 4:18 PM
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Location: Southwest PA | -do you understand what matchfishing is?
Yes
-are you going to compete this year?
Yes
-how do you feel about "rematches" after ties?
As long as it can get scheduled with in the time frame that was alloted the teams should be able to fish until someone catches a legal fish before a coin toss declares the winner.
-if you were to make it to the championship, could you fish in November?
Yes
-how would you feel about prizes being awarded?
I dont think prizes are needed. I think bragging rights are what makes match fishing fun.
-what would you improve over last year?
The teams that can fish and get matches scheduled before June, let them fish. It seems to me trying to get a match scheduled some times isn't very easy and I know last year there were quite a few teams that could have fished before the June start date but weren't allowed.
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Location: Ogden, Ut | do you understand what matchfishing is?
Yeah
-are you going to compete this year?
Yeah
-how do you feel about "rematches" after ties?
In a timely manner, I think it's a good idea, if it's preventing subsequent scheduling, it should be limited.
-if you were to make it to the championship, could you fish in November?
now that's a big IF! but yeah, season's open all year here, ice up mid Dec.
-how would you feel about prizes being awarded?
There's prizes? As long as they're rather insignificant in monetary value, it might be nice. I really feel that none are needed though.
-what would you improve over last year?
I'm not sure, I really had no complaints; it was fun albeit scheduling was a bit of a problem, but I have no idea how to solve that. Some of the previous suggestions may be applicable...and create more site traffic if forced to check in promptly and often.
I like the hockey scoring idea.
I am also able to start early if applicable.
Tigers should count triple and fish caught west of the Rockies counts 4X (hey, it's the only way I stand a chance against Trophymuskie).
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| -do you understand what matchfishing is? Think so...
-are you going to compete this year? Definitely....go Team Boozehounds !
-if no, why not?
-how do you feel about "rematches" after ties? Sounds like it'll work
-if you were to make it to the championship, could you fish in November? Probably every weekend...Don't think I'll be up in a tree stand this year
-how would you feel about prizes being awarded? Very cool
-what would you improve over last year? Wasn't around |
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Location: CENTRAL WISCONSIN | -do you understand what matchfishing is?
-are you going to compete this year? Hopefully
-if no, why not?
-how do you feel about "rematches" after ties? rematches would be nice, but it is hard enough to schedule a fish date, most times the rematch would not be done in time. ( i do however favor the hockey pts system that has been mentioned in previous posts.)
-if you were to make it to the championship, could you fish in November? yes
-how would you feel about prizes being awarded? would be nice, but not needed. prizes make for less than honest fishing.
-what would you improve over last year? I woiuld seriously look into changing the scheduling of fishing matches. It was extremely difficult for the most part scheduling a day for a match. Maybe it would be possible to become more flexible in this area. Some people can only fish on weekends. Some only during the week. Some I think just try to make it difficult. Maybe we should look at a 3-5 day window for a match. both teams must fish within an agreed 3-5 day window. The day to be fished by each team (not necissarily the same day) must be announced prior to the day fished and photos posted of any catch with the designated item within 24 hours after fishing.
Just my 2 cents
Team Creatures of the Reel
Muskynutz
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| Had a great time last year. Understand how it works. I like the hockey scoring idea. Big Gun with his Big Rods is definetely in!!!!!!! |
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| i undertand how it works and do plan on participating with Marine_1 (at least last time we talked). hockey scoring for ties sounds good to me.
i dont need a prize and I can fish in November
Edited by BALDY 5/4/2005 10:35 AM
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Location: Hugo, MN | -do you understand what matchfishing is?
I think so
-are you going to compete this year?
Going to Try
-how do you feel about "rematches" after ties?
Hockey Scoring will solve that.
-if you were to make it to the championship, could you fish in November?
Yes
-how would you feel about prizes being awarded?
I dont think prizes are needed. Just the pleasure of knowing I kicked Lambeau's A$$ will be reward enough.
-what would you improve over last year?
Add Team Baldy/Marine_1 to the group!!
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Location: Washington, PA | So it appears that prizes are a negative. |
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Location: Pelican Lake/Three Lakes Chain | I will more than likely jump in the Match Fishing again.
I wouldn't mind refishing double blanks, but I have a lot of time to fish myself, alot of others aren't that fortunate, and have enough trouble getting mandatory matches scheduled. The hockey scoring may fix the tie thing.
November, as long as there is no ice...no problem.
As far as prizes go....I'm not all that in favor of it. This is more or less an on your honor system (yeah I know there are items and all but one could cheat and fish for three days) and prizes may end up skewing the purity of it. All that is at stake is the pride of being the champ of MuskieFIRST, isn't that prize enough?
Edited by nwild 5/4/2005 10:46 AM
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Location: Hugo, MN | tomyv - 5/4/2005 6:29 PM
So it appears that prizes are a negative.
Prizes are Never a negative. |
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Location: The Yahara Chain | Hockey scoring ?
If both teams didn't catch a fish why would anybody deserve a point.
A tie should only get a point if both teams caught fish. |
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Location: Washington, PA | I tend to agree with Bytor. Any thoughts? |
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Location: Hugo, MN | Great Point Bytor!!! No Fish = No Points. Fish with ties should = points though. |
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Location: Wishin I Was Fishin' | I'm in.
I want to kick Trophy's but this year!
I think a plaque would be better then prizes.
I know a guy, Dogboy, who runs a lazer at work who might be able to make em up???? Say, top 5 finishers???
How about it Dogboy? |
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Location: Washington, PA | Jomusky, good idea on the plaque. We are also going to set up a photo album, for all the fishes pics. Should be a very good tourney this year. |
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| Bytor - 5/4/2005 1:20 PM
Hockey scoring ?
If both teams didn't catch a fish why would anybody deserve a point.
A tie should only get a point if both teams caught fish.
i'll admit that there's a definite sense to this idea of only getting points if fish are caught.
however, in that case it would make more sense (to me) to have the team with the most TOTAL Muskies Inc. points advance from the pool and that takes away from the "match"play feel.
basically, i think that:
a) if this is going to be ran as head-to-head "matches" it should be scored as a head-to-head match contest (ie., hockey style). points are based on the results of the individual match irregardless of how many fish are caught or what size they are.
this is standard pool-play tournament scoring convention and it's used because it decreases the odds of there being a tie for total points at the end of pool play.
double-blanks are relatively frequent in matchfishing and if everyone who double-blanks gets the same score as teams that lose, you increase the odds of ties happening.
if it makes people feel better, you could score it as -1 for losing, 0 for tie, 1 point for a win. that way only "fish" get points, and the relative differences stay the same...
b) if it's going to be ran as a round-robin points event (getting points only for fish caught) then it should be scored entirely that way - the team with the most MInc points advances from the pool.
you'd fish on a set day "against" someone, but really you're fishing against your entire pool. this rewards the teams that consistently catch a lot of fish or who catch very big fish rather than the teams that get "lucky" on a given match day.
the reason for my thinking is simple: although it makes a certain kind sense to not award points for people who don't catch fish, it makes even less sense to give the same 2 points to the guy who wins his match with a 50" fish as the guy who won his match with a 31" fish (something i did last year).
my personal preference is the "hockey" style scoring especially if ties are most often replayed - it's not something that'll happen a lot anyway, so i fully realize that this is kind of a semantic discussion.
this scoring style preserves the "any given Sunday" feel of matchplay where how you did on that day is compared to how the other team did on that day.
Edited by lambeau 5/5/2005 8:24 AM
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Location: Elkhart, IN | -do you understand what matchfishing is? I think so.
-are you going to compete this year? Yes.
-how do you feel about "rematches" after ties? I like the hocky points idea!!
-if you were to make it to the championship, could you fish in November? You betcha.
-how would you feel about prizes being awarded? No prizes = less cheating, just participating is reward enough.
-what would you improve over last year? I would actually fish it this year. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Boron? You're fishing it again? AND WITHOUT ME!!!??? And Musky For Lunch was such an evil combo (2 wins in 6 matches). You just broke my heart. |
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Location: Home of the 2016 World Series Champion Cubs | Definitaly interrested but rather confused. How many matches in both best and worse case senarios would a team have to fish? Must you fish different bodies of water or can you camp out on your honey hole all season long? are there match days on weekdays as well as weekends? 2 man teams plus 1 alt?? Live bait???? PM or post or if someone wants to call me (773)742-3826
PUT ME IN COACH!!!!!!!!!! I WANNA PLAY!!!!
Thanks
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Location: Home of the 2016 World Series Champion Cubs | Okay, I found the match fishing forum, found answers to my questions. and I will be signing up on the 18th.
Cant wait.
I like the idea of 0 fish = 0 pts in a tie, ties w/fish =1 pt , 2 pts for the win. A win is a win in match play regardless if you win with a 30"er or 65"er. pts are used then to break ties to advance from pool play.
Karl
Edited by KARLOUTDOORS 5/8/2005 2:10 AM
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| We are currently ironing out the rest of the details. Any other questions, concerns.......doubts, fears or insecurities out there? |
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Location: Home of the 2016 World Series Champion Cubs | will there be a new sign up thread or do we use this one? |
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Location: Washington, PA | There will be a new sign up thread. Look for it on wednesday.
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Location: Iowa | How does this whole MatchFISHING thing work...I have never done it before but would like to try it this year...can anybody PM or email me and let me know what is going on...thanks in advance
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Big Perc:
- http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/forum-view.asp?fid=23 for last years competition
- http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/matchfishing.asp rules from last year and the year before (to be revised!) |
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Location: Des Moines IA | I am going to try to talk my partner into fishing this.... I can and will be fishing in november ..... Is this a every weekend commitment? |
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Location: Washington, PA | Muskie Mike, this is just a once a month committment. |
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