WEBSTER TAGGING STUDY
BRAINSX
Posted 4/21/2005 6:38 PM (#144018)
Subject: WEBSTER TAGGING STUDY


GREAT NEWS--IN DNR JUST COMPLETED THEIR TAGGING STUDY FOR LAKE WEBSTER.....6.46 ADULT SKI'S/ACRE!!!! WOW! THEY NETTED THREE 50'S IN THE PROCESS AS WELL. NOW IF WE COULD ONLY TEACH THEM HOW TO BITE A LITTLE MORE OFTEN......
kevin
Posted 4/21/2005 7:23 PM (#144027 - in reply to #144018)
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PIT tags were put on many of the fish, however I am not sure exactly how many. PIT tag readers are available to buy but really are not worth buying unless one is a guide thats on the water a bunch. It will be interesting to see next year exactly how many of the PIT tagged fish are netted by Brad and Jed and how much bigger the fish are..
I am not positive if this is the right company to contact about the tag readers, but here is a link anyways: http://www.biomark.com/products.html

Edited by kevin 4/21/2005 7:28 PM
archerynut36
Posted 4/21/2005 7:35 PM (#144030 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: syracuse indiana
i had heard that they had got around 900 in the nets and most of those fish were tagged. with some biggies netted and let go....bill
sworrall
Posted 4/22/2005 12:44 PM (#144150 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
That's a really imperessive number of muskies. I gotta take Slamr up on it and get over there.
Slamr
Posted 4/22/2005 12:48 PM (#144153 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs
yeah, ask Tomyv how well we did out there a few weeks ago.
stephendawg
Posted 4/22/2005 1:02 PM (#144158 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: Lafayette, IN
Sworrall, you haven't been on Webster or TJ yet? Good gosh man! What's your problem? I thought you liked muskies?
sworrall
Posted 4/22/2005 1:11 PM (#144160 - in reply to #144158)
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Muskies, yeah, I like muskies, I guess. A little.

Slamr and Tomyv, if I was a Muskie, I'd leave that lake. Did the water suddenly drop a couple inches when the launched?
tomyv
Posted 4/22/2005 1:13 PM (#144161 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: Washington, PA
I think they heard da country kid and the jew were coming. That's the only reasonable explanation that I have for me and slamr NEVER catching fish when we're together.
muskyboy
Posted 4/22/2005 10:07 PM (#144209 - in reply to #144018)
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Bill and Kevin, let's take Mr. Worrall out with us on Webster so he can avoid that bad Slamr Indiana mojo!
BRAINSX
Posted 4/23/2005 12:18 AM (#144215 - in reply to #144018)
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STEVE--

Glad to have you come down to Webster anytime. Drop me a line when you can make it down and I'll take you out. I would like to show you where the 55in 50lber is hiding as well.....It would be my way of returning the favor for your great help up on the Goon. I'd be more than happy to put you up at my lake home nearby as well! Stay away from SLAMR out there, he has the dreaded "Webster Curse"--lol! Actually maybe we could get a few of the MF boys together for a MF weekend down here.

JK
GMargraff
Posted 4/23/2005 6:30 AM (#144220 - in reply to #144018)
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HOLY PACKED SARDINES BATMAN!

Is that a confirmed population density?? If so, that's amazing. I don't know the population density of Bone Lake, but I do know that major Class A musky lakes in Wisconsin have a density of only 0.35 to 0.55 per acre.

I'd be curious what the biologist's think about forage sustainability?

Nevertheless, it sounds like fun and I plan on making a trip in October.

GM
firstsixfeet
Posted 4/24/2005 8:41 AM (#144278 - in reply to #144018)
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Density goes right along with my theory that Webster fish should only count as 1/3 to 1/2 as much as "wild" muskies. So many fish in there they are pushing out on the sides of the barrel. Any real musky fisherman that goes there and does not catch at least 3 should be fined and the money sent to the "Aging Guides Benevolent Association", via my personal account, and of course I will forward most of it, minus a small handling and shipping charge, to Sworrall.

Slamr, I think you owe us quite a bit of money, Sworrall wired me that these fines are to be retroactive!
muskihntr
Posted 4/24/2005 10:46 AM (#144289 - in reply to #144018)
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also remember that the sides of the barrell are being pushed out by an outragously high # of fishermen and boats, there are lots of days that you will have no place to park your rig. but on a good note, it is impossible to fall out of your boat and drown in webster, once you fall out just grab ahold of the boat next to you!!!
archerynut36
Posted 4/24/2005 7:29 PM (#144330 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: syracuse indiana
hey mr worrall you are welcome to come fish our lakes anytime. and if you like to camp my family runs the pic-a-spot campground on the barbee chain. also good musky water. or even take brian up on his offer nice place on webster.. you and your wife should try indiana. bill
Muskie God5
Posted 4/24/2005 8:22 PM (#144331 - in reply to #144018)
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6 1/2 fish per acre!!!! holy cow, thats awesome. thats a whole lot of fish. so go get 'em boys!!

MG5

www.expage.com/muskygalaxy

new articles added daily!!!!
MikeHulbert
Posted 4/24/2005 8:47 PM (#144335 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana
firstsixfeet, your comments to me are quite funny. I would like to see you go out there and avg. 3 fish per day. You know what you are doing.

Jeff, only 1 50 was netted. I spoke with and saw the DNR everyday there were out there. 1 over 50, 2 47.5, 1 47 were the biggest.

Edited by MikeHulbert 4/24/2005 8:49 PM
Guest
Posted 4/24/2005 9:45 PM (#144353 - in reply to #144018)
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what was wrong with asking what strain of fish? I thought it was a very good honest question.
sworrall
Posted 4/24/2005 10:50 PM (#144358 - in reply to #144353)
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Just a bit gun-shy I would guess. Our Moderators are trying to keep the genetics argument and discussion on the Research Board, for many reasons, the most important of which is constant requests from our user base.

I think the strain used there originally was from Pennsylvania and New York, but I can't locate that paper tonight. I'll see what I can find out with a couple phone calls tomorrow!
BRAINSX
Posted 4/25/2005 12:58 AM (#144362 - in reply to #144018)
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Mike--

Hey man--how's you year thus far? Congrat's on your fine one in "04. Actually there is an article out from Jed Pearson (DNR) that he forwarded to me mentioning the 951 skis caught and tagged. It also mentions the three 50's caught and tagged and shows a picture of a 49.5. I'll send it along to you. Jed em'd me during their efforts and told me they netted 72 in one day alone. Vannatta confirms this info as well--he helped them! See ya out there--next weekend is our guide for a day on Webster.

JK
MikeHulbert
Posted 4/25/2005 7:40 AM (#144377 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana
JK,

Give me a call sometime,and thanks for the article. Good info.
BNelson
Posted 4/25/2005 8:17 AM (#144383 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: Contrarian Island
6.5 fish per acre? is that what the DNR down there is shooting for?
Can the forage base be sustained at that number? that is nuts....
firstsixfeet
Posted 4/25/2005 10:54 AM (#144423 - in reply to #144018)
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Mike H., surely you are not suggesting they DON'T jump in the boat. I can honestly say that after many years of musky fishing I have NEVER EVER BEEN SKUNKED more than 7 days in any one week period. Webster would have to be just like cake WITH icing. Casting under boats and doging flying baits are my special areas of expertise. BTW, the ruling on your 20 fish weekend has not come back yet, sounds better at 10 fish but the fines are better if we call it 6 WME's(wild musky equivalents).

Please Lord, throw me into that musky briar patch...
MikeHulbert
Posted 4/25/2005 11:52 AM (#144433 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana
BTW, the ruling on your 20 fish weekend has not come back yet, sounds better at 10 fish but the fines are better if we call it 6 WME's(wild musky equivalents).

what???

Edited by MikeHulbert 4/25/2005 12:04 PM
archerynut36
Posted 4/25/2005 6:43 PM (#144512 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: syracuse indiana
hey six feet. you just dont know how many he cought. do u . well a buddy of mine fished with his brother on saturday and they fished by him and actually seen him catching those fish. so it sound like u just dont like mike. well it sounds like you are enviouse of him. and i am willing to bet you are.. and for future reference please be happy to leave your name. IDIOT
bill bennett
WV Musky
Posted 4/25/2005 7:17 PM (#144515 - in reply to #144512)
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Location: Williamstown, WV
Calm Down boys it's only fishing...lol
Shawn

Edited by WV Musky 4/25/2005 7:27 PM
kevin
Posted 4/25/2005 7:26 PM (#144516 - in reply to #144018)
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"I think the strain used there originally was from Pennsylvania and New York, but I can't locate that paper tonight. I'll see what I can find out with a couple phone calls tomorrow!"


Webster was stocked orginally with a lot of Wisconsin strain fish, never been stocked with leech fish.. However I think there have been a stocking or two from other states like ohio, kentucky and possibly penn.. For several years(maybe even ten) all webster stocking comes from these nettings.
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firstsixfeet
Posted 4/25/2005 8:09 PM (#144523 - in reply to #144512)
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archerynut36 - 4/25/2005 6:43 PM

hey six feet. you just dont know how many he cought. do u . well a buddy of mine fished with his brother on saturday and they fished by him and actually seen him catching those fish. so it sound like u just dont like mike. well it sounds like you are enviouse of him. and i am willing to bet you are.. and for future reference please be happy to leave your name. IDIOT
bill bennett


Hmmm, I am taking a wild guess that you did not read my earlier post where I claimed that Webster fish only counted from 1/3 to 1/2 of "wild" muskies, or you might have caught that I was teasing him, as I have before on this forum, and shamefully, probably will again.
I was reading your post and kind of pick up a strong sense that you are from down by me in KY, it all sounds soo familiar...

(P.S. Of course I am envious of Mike H., isn't everybody on this board? )
archerynut36
Posted 4/25/2005 8:44 PM (#144532 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: syracuse indiana
by no means am i from down there. i am a hoosior born and raised. from portage indiana and spent alot of time up in wisconsin growing up. yes i do see that you are picking on mike. he is a ok guy. once you get to know him. he does catch alot of fish. and alot of us are enviouse of him. i have only dreamed of doing what he does since i was 15 years old. and some day i might but for right now i need to raise my children on my own. he does know alot and is quite a respected musky guy. i am not trying to start anything with you i just wish everyone could get along. i can see why alot of people dont stay on these sites long becouse of all the bashing that goes on. . man when will this ever end.....bill

Edited by archerynut36 4/25/2005 9:26 PM
BRAINSX
Posted 4/25/2005 10:37 PM (#144545 - in reply to #144018)
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Concerning the forage base for Webster (and Barbee chain) it is packed full of gizzard shad. Obviously there is more than enough to sustain the healthy skis we pull out of there. They have originated from Wisconsin and Minnesota (Minnesota Muskie farm, Leech Lake Strain) but you rarely see a spot in there these days. Leech lake spots can be found more often on Tippy and Barbee where our club stocked them in past years. We now stock our own from our own artificially. Our IN DNR is to be highly commended for the job they do at this. Although Webster has incredible fish densities it is NOT a cake walk putting them in the boat with exception of a few lucky days a year that the Hulbert man obviously struck upon last weekend. Mike is a tremendous ski fisherman and is a "no bull" kind of guy so if he says he put 20 in the boat then he in fact did. Way to go Hulbert!
muskyshakes
Posted 4/25/2005 11:20 PM (#144547 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: Toledo
There was another group that caught ten muskies over the past weekend! They were from 30" to 45"! I wish I could say it was my brother and I, but it was some other anglers I know. The next time it snows in April I will be on the water.

"The Musky Shakes"-Mark
jmuskieking
Posted 4/26/2005 6:18 AM (#144554 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: Valparaiso , Indiana
We boated 14: 45, 43 1/4 , 43 , 41 1/2 , 41 1/4 , 40 1/4 , 39 , 37 & 6 other ones between 30 and 36! 10 on sat and sun and 4 today(4/25/05) in one hour after work! It can snow with 30 mph winds all year if the muskies are gonna bite like that I'll fish it!!!!
tomyv
Posted 4/26/2005 8:42 AM (#144572 - in reply to #144018)
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Sewer.......
MikeHulbert
Posted 4/26/2005 9:17 AM (#144579 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana
Jeff King

I need your phone number.

Please e-mail me your phone number.

Thanks

Edited by MikeHulbert 4/26/2005 11:14 AM
Boro
Posted 4/26/2005 2:24 PM (#144659 - in reply to #144572)
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Location: Elkhart, IN
LOL Tomyv,

Seemed like it, didn't it!!


Brian
firstsixfeet
Posted 4/26/2005 7:24 PM (#144697 - in reply to #144554)
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jmuskieking - 4/26/2005 6:18 AM

We boated 14: 45, 43 1/4 , 43 , 41 1/2 , 41 1/4 , 40 1/4 , 39 , 37 & 6 other ones between 30 and 36! 10 on sat and sun and 4 today(4/25/05) in one hour after work! It can snow with 30 mph winds all year if the muskies are gonna bite like that I'll fish it!!!!


14 divide by 3 = 3 2/3 WME, but the rules comittee decided since you measured these fish to the 1/4" , to deduct the 2/3 of a fish, leaving you guys at 3 even.
kevin
Posted 4/26/2005 8:08 PM (#144704 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: Chicago, Beverly
IN DNR has never stocked Leech fish in Webster, neither has anyone else. Leech fish have been stocked in both Tippy and the Barbee Chain by the Hoosier Musky Club but that has been discontinued. Webster fish have been stocked in both Tippy and the Chain by the DNR.. In both Tippy and the Chain the Webster fish are the more common strain found in the lakes.
Guest
Posted 4/26/2005 8:50 PM (#144708 - in reply to #144018)
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I don't know which of the king family was in the mod-v tracker this weekend but that took balls!
ToddM
Posted 4/26/2005 8:51 PM (#144709 - in reply to #144018)
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The above post was mine, not sure why I was not logged in.
jmuskieking
Posted 4/26/2005 9:12 PM (#144714 - in reply to #144018)
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Location: Valparaiso , Indiana
My brother and I were in the big Tracker. That was a couple of our crazy friends in our smaller boat. They took on ALOT OF WATER. They're lucky we just put that new 40 hp on because they would have died with the old motor!!!! At least they got one for their effort !!!!

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jmuskieking
Posted 4/26/2005 9:21 PM (#144717 - in reply to #144697)
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Location: Valparaiso , Indiana
firstsixfeet - 4/26/2005 7:24 PM

jmuskieking - 4/26/2005 6:18 AM

We boated 14: 45, 43 1/4 , 43 , 41 1/2 , 41 1/4 , 40 1/4 , 39 , 37 & 6 other ones between 30 and 36! 10 on sat and sun and 4 today(4/25/05) in one hour after work! It can snow with 30 mph winds all year if the muskies are gonna bite like that I'll fish it!!!!


14 divide by 3 = 3 2/3 WME, but the rules comittee decided since you measured these fish to the 1/4" , to deduct the 2/3 of a fish, leaving you guys at 3 even. ;)


Dude with me having a real bad Bronchitis and my brother getting 6 teeth cut out on friday those fish should count as triple just for being crazy enough to be out in that weather!!!!
firstsixfeet
Posted 4/26/2005 9:34 PM (#144719 - in reply to #144717)
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jmuskieking - 4/26/2005 9:21 PM

firstsixfeet - 4/26/2005 7:24 PM

jmuskieking - 4/26/2005 6:18 AM

We boated 14: 45, 43 1/4 , 43 , 41 1/2 , 41 1/4 , 40 1/4 , 39 , 37 & 6 other ones between 30 and 36! 10 on sat and sun and 4 today(4/25/05) in one hour after work! It can snow with 30 mph winds all year if the muskies are gonna bite like that I'll fish it!!!!


14 divide by 3 = 3 2/3 WME, but the rules comittee decided since you measured these fish to the 1/4" , to deduct the 2/3 of a fish, leaving you guys at 3 even. ;)


Dude with me having a real bad Bronchitis and my brother getting 6 teeth cut out on friday those fish should count as triple just for being crazy enough to be out in that weather!!!! ;)



OOOHHH, DISABILITIES!!! That changes everything. Brings them back up to 10 Wild musky equivalents. The deep V hurt you though, if you would have been in the modified V(rather manly imo, I used to run one)you would have got the full 14. Now if you could throw old age in there(ie Sworrall, barely hanging on by a thread) or mental infirmities(ie Slamr) that would be worth some extra WME weighting points. Myself, I have so many problems and so much extra handicap weighting on my score, that when I actually catch a wild muskie, it counts for 4.